Posted on 06/20/2004 10:53:48 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy
Blair in the UK, Persson in Sweden and I'm sure other heads of Governments say: "Nothing to see here. Just move on - a cleaning up exercise."
We citizens of states in Europe are in a fight for our continued freedoms - such as they are.
ScaniaBoy
Do you happen to know which nations beside the UK will have referendums on ratifying the EU Constitution?
The US new world order types have pulled the same trick here with Treaty law and NAFTA ect. Good luck to ya.
Euroland is a sort of European America... birthed by bureaucrats instead of by patriots.
Until now, the EU has been an association of states, deriving its authority from international treaties. Henceforth, it will be a state in its own right, drawing legitimacy from the constitution.
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Well in the UN Security Council no state has more than one vote. Two EU members are permanent members now and others are on it from time to time. This would have to stop. France as a member of the EU is no more important the California, Texas or Florida. So the Security Council seat of any members EU members that end up in this single country would be consolidated into one that belongs to the EU.
Abolish the French and U.K seats and create one seat for Euroland and one each for India, Brazil, and South Africa.
If more nations are given permanent seats on the Security Council, you can bet your buns Japan will be one of them.
Much thanks. I've been wondering which ones they are because it'll make a huge difference.
Yes, that is what the eurocrats are striving for. They want a EU diplomatic corps that will supercede the national diplomats.
However, this diplomatic corps will be francophone, run by europhiles and francophiles. US will not gain a friend, but lose an ally (UK).
ScaniaBoy
Thanks, we will fight the good fight - and dammit we will win!.
333 pages of constitutionsl confusion.
If there is one "voice for the EU" then there should be one EU seat on the securiy counsel.
The document is intentionally poorly written to justify whatever position is demanded.
France never wants to have another iraq situation where they will not be in a position to push other nations around. Next time France says sit down and shut up, they will chrry pick the term that give them the force of EUconsiutiona law.
There was an article in today's Financial Times where it was stated that a no in countries like the UK or the Scandinavian countries won't have the same importance as a no in France.
Some pigs are more equal then other pigs!
Socialism in two letters = EU
ESSR
Good luck in your endeavours!
Hey, I have another question while I'm thinking about it. What would you say the odds are for Norway, Switzerland, or Iceland to join the EU in the next 10 years or so? How likely do you think it is for any of them and is there talk that you know of to hold referendums any time soon?
OK, one last question: Do you think Turkey will ever be allowed to join?
Norway: most political parties are for joining, but there are some who are against. There is a slight majority against among the voters. Two things make it unlikely that the Norwegians will join shortly: 1) In 2005 it will be hundred years since Norway broke away from the Swedish/Norwegian union and became independent. Not a good timing for a referendum to join EU. 2) Norway have voted twice on this issue and both times major political parties have incurred losses that remained for years. They will be very careful indeed.
Switzerland: Again the political elite is doing its best to get the Swiss to join. However, the recent elections showed that the Swiss aren't keen, and they voted a staunchly anti-EU party into power. There is a split between the French and German parts of Switzerland, but recently it has been a no majority in almost all parts. Also, due to the federal nature of Switzerland it will be difficult to get a yes. It will need not only a majority of the national vote, but also a plurality of the cantons (states). I don't think there is any likelihood for a (new) Swiss referendum within the next 5 years.
Iceland: I don't know. Presently Iceland is doing great economically. Will they really throw it all away so that Sapnish fishermen can get into their fishing waters?
Very informative post.
A 333 page Constitution is a monstrosity! The citizens of European countries need to stop it cold.
Euroland: No God, no guns and no individuals.
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