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Is McCain a Fraud?
The Baltimore Chronicle ^ | June 21, 2004 | Russell Tyldesley

Posted on 06/21/2004 10:43:47 AM PDT by John Lenin

June 21, 2004--The conventional wisdom is that Senator McCain is off-limits to criticism. He is the quintessential hero--a decorated ex-prisoner of war in the Vietnam conflict. For awhile, the Kerry campaign flirted with the illusion that he could be added to the Democratic ticket as Kerry's running mate, making it a virtually unbeatable combination. To be sure, instant polls had a Kerry-McCain ticker winning in November in a landslide.

On June 19, before adoring troops at Fort Lewis, Washington, Bush received a full-bore endorsement from McCain, and, more importantly, a ratification of Bush's strategy in Iraq, including the obligatory "stay the course" rhetoric. The A.P. wire service reported this event, indicating that McCain's blandishments to Bush went far beyond the bounds of the merely perfunctory, and used language about the threats posed by terrorists and, before the war, by Saddam Hussein, "in words matching the starkest language Bush and Vice President Cheney have employed."

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: johnmccain
McCain/Bush ?
1 posted on 06/21/2004 10:43:47 AM PDT by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin

Sounds like the rats are bitter about McCain not going with J Effing K ... LOL!


2 posted on 06/21/2004 10:47:20 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: John Lenin
"Is McCain a Fraud?"

That's a dumb question.

Of course he is.

3 posted on 06/21/2004 10:47:39 AM PDT by VaBthang4 (He Who Watches Over Israel WIll Neither Slumber Nor Sleep)
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To: John Lenin
The Bush-Cheney dream team is in trouble, even with media support.

Tyldesley believes that the media is supporting Bush. I think that pretty much shoots his credibility.

4 posted on 06/21/2004 10:47:59 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: John Lenin

How about Bush/McCain?


5 posted on 06/21/2004 10:48:09 AM PDT by Russ
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To: John Lenin

Yeah, that figures. Now that McCain comes out for Bush, the media suddenly says he's a fraud. I think I see things more clearly: The media is a fraud.


6 posted on 06/21/2004 10:48:14 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: John Lenin
The conventional wisdom is that Senator McCain is off limits to criticism.

NO politician is off limits to criticism.

7 posted on 06/21/2004 10:48:24 AM PDT by glock rocks (I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, there's no way you can prove anything.)
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To: John Lenin
McCain is, perhaps, more "like a Democrat" when it comes to domestic policies--or so goes the rationalization.

That's a valid argument.

8 posted on 06/21/2004 10:48:38 AM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: John Lenin

Written by a watermelon...


9 posted on 06/21/2004 10:50:31 AM PDT by frossca
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To: John Lenin

This POW/MIA issue. Why during all the investigation that thousands of lost souls were left behind in WWII, Korea and Vietnam/Laos. Anyone who took this issue to heart (Sen Bob Smith (R) N.H.) for one were burnt for seeking the truth. Meanwhile McCain has sided with Kerry. Once a commie always a commie.


10 posted on 06/21/2004 10:52:15 AM PDT by eternity (From here to...)
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To: John Lenin

Is McCain a fraud? Yes. But the press likes to call him a "maverick". I prefer "beady-eyed political whore".


11 posted on 06/21/2004 10:53:01 AM PDT by Mr. Bird (Ain't the beer cold!)
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To: John Lenin
>>The conventional wisdom is that Senator McCain is off-limits to criticism. <<

Who's conventional wizdumb?

12 posted on 06/21/2004 10:54:35 AM PDT by evad (What's BAD for democRATs is GOOD for America)
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To: John Lenin

Is McCain a wolf in sheep's clothing or is McCain a demoncRAT in pubby clothing? Yes to both.


13 posted on 06/21/2004 10:55:24 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: John Lenin
Rat media is whining out loud. McCain might not be invited anymore on those talking head Sunday morning shows.
14 posted on 06/21/2004 10:55:46 AM PDT by demlosers
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To: John Lenin
The Failed Seduction of John McCain

Kerry, it seems, spent the last three months begging Republican John McCain to run as his vice president. He didn't ask officially (whatever that means) but he asked seven times. "I don't want to formally ask because I don't want to be formally rejected, but having said that, would you do it?" an aide who ran messages between the two senators quoted Kerry's approach to The New York Times. Each time, each of seven times, McCain's answer was the same: an unequivocal no.

Hey, John, wanna be my veep?

No thanks.

I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that. So. Shall we print up some buttons?

No.

Come on, man. I need you.

Nope.

You're kidding! You know the Republicans will never nominate you for the presidency! They hate your ass!

Whatever. I said no.

Dude! Don't be like that. Yes is such an easy word to say. Say it.

Get a life, John. Don't contact me unless it's about legislation. Got it?

Look, I'll be honest. The CBS poll says you'll give me a 14-point boost if you join the team. I gotta have you. I can't take no for an answer.

No means no, John. No. No. No.

Hey, thanks, I appreciate it. I'll call a press conference for noon. Kerry-McCain 2004!

I'm getting a restraining order against you, you jowly bassett-hound-eyed freak!!!

Seven times. Has John Kerry lost his mind?

15 posted on 06/21/2004 10:56:27 AM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: John Lenin

This guy has his panties in a twist because McCain is - ta da - a Republican who supports a Republican President. Imagine that! The author is acting like a woman scorned, and I love the little innuendo about "pardoning" Cheney and the "media support" for the Bush/Cheney ticket. Personally, I think the guy is a Nader/Camejo voter.


16 posted on 06/21/2004 10:57:33 AM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: Russ

I see a bright future for John McCain if Bush is re-elected. He may be a maverick at times but he is our maverick !


17 posted on 06/21/2004 11:00:53 AM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Mr. Bird
Is McCain a fraud? Yes. But the press likes to call him a "maverick". I prefer "beady-eyed political whore".

LOL!

18 posted on 06/21/2004 11:03:58 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Russ

McCain's service should be applauded. But why would we want a RINO to replace Cheney? Good Lord in heaven! If the media wants a liberal love fest like Kerry/McCain, why and the world would Republicans want a ticket that becomes MORE liberal?


19 posted on 06/21/2004 11:06:51 AM PDT by rintense (Screw justice. I want revenge.)
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To: VaBthang4
You know, ever since the New Hampshire primary of 2000 and McCain's victory, I have seen the continual drone of McCain bashing here on this site. Prior to that date, however, he was one of the darlings of the GOP!
Can it be that "Dumbyah" is the real fraud? I say this because it really sickens me to know that come Jan. 2005 the most liberal politician this country has ever known will be in the White House...and I just wonder WHOM the most rabid FReepers will blame, good advice and service of men such as John McCain or the incompetence of GWB?
I am absolutely CONVINCED that the ONLY mistake of Ronald Reagan's GREAT presidency was the inclusion of a "Bush" on the ticket and the elevation of that surname's legacy! Here are just some of the blunders that that name made:

"Voodoo economics!"
Read my lips, no new taxes!
"We have won the (first) Gulf War; the Iraqi people will topple Saddam!"
"There is no recession on the horizon!"
"David Souter will make a great Supreme Court justice..."

(fast forward)
"They will welcome us as liberators..."
"We will find the WMD as soon as we get there!
"We don't need that many troops..."
"Mission Accomplished!!"
"Clinton really is a nice guy (last week)"<

20 posted on 06/21/2004 11:09:49 AM PDT by meandog ("Do unto others before they do unto you!")
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To: Numbers Guy
Tyldesley believes that the media is supporting Bush. I think that pretty much shoots his credibility.

I went over to DU a few minutes ago, because I wanted a shadenfraude moment, reveling in the angst over the Nader/Camejo ticket. But they are collectively pretending that there was no such announcement today.

What they are talking about is how The New York Times is part of the dastardly Karl Rove political machine, because they had a story about Kerry going boating that implied that he and his wife are quite wealthy.

21 posted on 06/21/2004 11:13:38 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: meandog

Just vote for Kerry and get it over with.


22 posted on 06/21/2004 11:15:41 AM PDT by John Lenin
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To: meandog

I see you've been raiding Cindy McCain's medicine cabinet again.


23 posted on 06/21/2004 11:16:56 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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Senator John Mccain (R)
Arizona
Republican, Years of Service: 21

ACU Ratings for Senator Mccain:
Year 2003 75
Year 2002 78
Lifetime 84

24 posted on 06/21/2004 11:18:03 AM PDT by deport (Don't skinny dip with snapping turtles.)
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To: John Lenin

McCain isn't Presidential or Vice-Presidential material....for either party. He's not mentally stable.


25 posted on 06/21/2004 11:18:03 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: VaBthang4

They had to ask?


26 posted on 06/21/2004 11:19:39 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: 1Old Pro

At least he won't be out there working for Kerry.


27 posted on 06/21/2004 11:21:19 AM PDT by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin

This article is nothing more than an assault on McCain from the hard environmental left.

Gee ... a Greenie denouncing a Republican? Next your going to tell me the sun has a tendency to rise in the East...


28 posted on 06/21/2004 11:21:55 AM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: John Lenin
At least he won't be out there working for Kerry.

We'll see. He'll do anything for attention.

29 posted on 06/21/2004 11:23:34 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: rintense

I guess the same could have been said asked when Reagan picked Bush as his running mate. "Why...would Republicans want a ticket that becomes MORE liberal?" It's all about winning and putting the best ticket out there to attract the votes of the 10% independent, undecided, moderate voter who decides every election. If the Republicans could depend on a 60-70% turnout of their rank and file there would be no need for these silly games.


30 posted on 06/21/2004 11:27:35 AM PDT by Russ
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To: Russ
As I've said before...

Everytime we pick a liberal candidate, we take a step backwards. This country has moved more to the left in the past 10 years than any other time. And when a Republican or conservative gets elected, they have to correct the mess. For every two steps made by liberalism, there's only one step back, which means getting more and more liberal is inevitable...

UNLESS we stop it now.

Instead of picking a media darling, why not pick someone more conservative? If you want to jump on the 'let the media pick the candidate' bandwagon, go for it. I've been taken on that ride before, and have no intention to go on it again.

31 posted on 06/21/2004 11:50:14 AM PDT by rintense (Screw justice. I want revenge.)
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To: Russ
How about Bush/McCain?

Never please! Or say goodbye to your base.

32 posted on 06/21/2004 12:13:10 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: John Lenin
John McCain may be crazy, but he's not stupid.

If he runs with Kerry and Kerry loses, he's toast because losing VP candidates are nothing in the twisted world of Democrat politics -- even losing Democrat presidential candidates rarely get a second shot at the top spot.

If he runs with Kerry and Kerry wins, he will just be another Vice President.

McCain's best hope is to support Bush for President. Regardless of whether a Bush-Cheney ticket wins or loses, supporting Bush is in McCain's best interest for 2008.

If Bush dumps Cheney (which I don't think is a high probability, though I do think it is more probably that Cheney will withdraw his name.), McCain is one of the logical replacements. Only Rudy Guiliani, Colin Powell, and Condi Rice would seem to be contenders. So let's examine the two possibilities of a Bush-McCain versus Kerry-Gonzo ticket.

If Bush-McCain wins, McCain will almost be guaranteed being at the head of the 2008 ticket with Guiliani or Powell or Rice.

If Bush-McCain loses, McCain will still be in the hunt for the top spot on the ticket in 2008.

The bottom line is that being with Bush has a future, but being with Kerry has no future for McCain.

{I would posit that you can drop the words "for McCain" from the last sentence and it becomes a truism for all Americans who are not recipients of government largess.

33 posted on 06/21/2004 12:25:34 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: meandog

I appreciate the genralization but I've never spoken well of McLame.
Anyone else doing so simply has an agenda that is neither Conservative nor Constitutional...maybe Loserdopians & Liberals....now they might like him.


34 posted on 06/21/2004 12:27:40 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (He Who Watches Over Israel WIll Neither Slumber Nor Sleep)
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To: Howlin

Haha...


35 posted on 06/21/2004 3:23:45 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep)
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To: eternity
>>This POW/MIA issue. <<

You found the piece of burning charcoal about McCain that makes me literally hate the bastard! POW/MIA's abandoned by their own country because of this Commie!
36 posted on 06/21/2004 5:36:23 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( GET READY!!..-> http://www.ready.gov/get_a_kit.html)
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To: rintense
You want this piece of shit to be our VP? KEEP READING!

(SNIP)
John McCain is, and as such, his character can and should be examined.

What is the real story behind his days as a POW? The U.S. Veteran Dispatch had an article in June of 1996 entitled "POW Songbird McCain Wrongly Described As A Hero." It recounted numerous instances where John McCain violated the Military Coda of Conduct, which specifically orders American personnel to give the enemy no information other than name, rank, serial number, and date of birth. It requires that they accept no favors from the enemy, and to make no written or oral statement disloyal to the United States.

The fact is, in exchange for better medical treatment, McCain violated this code four days after being captured on Oct. 26, 1967. In a U.S. News and World Report interview dated May 14, 1973, two months after he was released, McCain admitted that he exchanged military information in exchange for spending six weeks in a hospital normally reserve for North Vietnamese Military officers.

U.S. government records show that less than two weeks after he was taken to the hospital, Hanoi's press began quoting specific military information, including the name of the aircraft carrier on which McCain had been based, information about the location of rescue ships and the order of which his attack was supposed to take place. The records demonstrate, according to the Dispatch article that McCain continued to collaborate with the Communists after he recovered from his injuries. He did a number of propaganda broadcasts that were aimed at destroying the moral of American servicemen fighting in the jungles of South Vietnam, On June 4, 1969, a U.S. Wire Service story reported one of McCain's broadcasts.

The service reported "Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of the U.S. Commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain purportedly admits to having bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praised medical treatment he has received since being taken prisoner."

McCain committed other breaches of the Code of Conduct by meeting with and giving interviews to foreign news reporters and anti American delegations.

McCain admits to talking with numerous high-ranking North Vietnamese leaders, including General Vo Nguyen Giap, their Minister of Defense.

He also did a cozy interview over coffee, oranges, and cake wish a Cuban psychiatrist, which took place in the Hanoi office of the Committee for Foreign Cultural Relations.

He failed to "evade answering questions to the utmost of his ability;" by actually conversing with his interviewer in Spanish.

Perhaps these are some of the reasons why John McCain hip been so instrumental in discounting any suggestion that live prisoners of war still languish in Southeast Asia. It certainly does explain to me why he traveled to Hanoi in May of 1993 with soon-to-be Ambassador to Vietnam Pete Peterson, and convinced the Communist leadership to agree that they would NEVER MAKE PUBLIC THEIR INTERROGATION FILES OF AMERICAN POWs.

It should have made him ineligible to sit in judgment of those men who still wait for freedom. I believe it clearly makes him morally unfit to ever lead this nation, to be the Commander of all our armed forces someday.



http://www.namvets.com/Reading/john_mccain_is_no_war_hero.htm
37 posted on 06/21/2004 5:45:54 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( GET READY!!..-> http://www.ready.gov/get_a_kit.html)
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To: B4Ranch

I DON'T!!!!!


38 posted on 06/21/2004 5:59:56 PM PDT by rintense (Screw justice. I want revenge.)
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To: John Lenin
well for goodness sake! With my Sunday morning coffee, I get to read something interesting, almost provocative. Thanks John, for posting this one, that if true, would have the DNC slitting their wrists!

Hillary would love the news! McCain out of the senate, not stealing the senate spotlight, and we can assume he would not run for president in 2008 as her rival, because of his cancer history, senate corruption history, and age.

Of course we know John McCain isn't about to give up his carefully cultivated position as super-star senator, bold renegade, nor climb down from his spotlighted senate pedestal, erected by an adoring press corps. The vice presidency for John McCain would be his personal hell, 4 years in another kind of prison, it's just not gonna happen.

(Keeping control of the senate is important too. Bush couldn't afford to take an (R) Vote out.)

But a fun read!

39 posted on 06/27/2004 6:26:24 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@"Corruption"...thy name is Clinton.com)
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To: meandog

McCain removed himself from the "darling of the GOP" category. And.....the last time that people like you turned on a Bush, we ended up with the Clintons for 8+ years. Thanks for nothing. It looks like you will stay home, vote Third Party, or vote Democrat in November. Which will it be?


40 posted on 06/27/2004 6:41:39 AM PDT by Consort
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To: Consort
McCain removed himself from the "darling of the GOP" category. And.....the last time that people like you turned on a Bush, we ended up with the Clintons for 8+ years. Thanks for nothing. It looks like you will stay home, vote Third Party, or vote Democrat in November. Which will it be?

Probably write-in my vote! Though thoroughly disappointed in Bush, I am disgusted with Kerry.
I just don't get the affection for Dubyah...let me cite just one example of his incompetence as CinC: There is an old saying credited to Napolean (heard many times on G. Gordon Liddy's show) it goes, "When you set out to take Vienna, TAKE VIENNA!"
Apparently, that maxim is lost on Bush if the Battle of Fallujah is any example. How the hell can he justify losing fine Marine lives when he gives the order to pull back and let a former Iraqi colonel take over the operation?
Then there's the issue with troop numbers and his complete disregard for the need of more fighters (despite what you've heard, WE NEED THEM).
Nevertheless, I won't convince anyone on this thread...go drink the Koolaid, perhaps after suffering 4 years of Kerry you'll be convinced that Bush was the wrong man for the job...

41 posted on 06/28/2004 11:26:31 AM PDT by meandog ("Do unto others before they do unto you!")
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To: John Lenin

"Is McCain a fraud?" is the wrong question.

Did the media perpetrate "fraud" on the American people during the 2000 GOP primaries? is the question.

And the answer is a resounding "YES".

As for the VP slot on the GOP ticket....there is only one voice that matters on this subject. The President's.

And George W Bush has made it crystal clear, Cheney's his VP.

The only people that question it are those that have been shut out of the Whitehouse, on both sides of the aisle.


42 posted on 06/28/2004 11:32:07 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: meandog
Probably write-in my vote! Though thoroughly disappointed in Bush, I am disgusted with Kerry.

Then you're part of the problem. Your write-in will hurt Bush (who disappointed you) and will help Kerry (who disgusted you). Thanks for nothing.

...let me cite just one example...

Do you really think the Democrats would have done any better? Get real.

...perhaps after suffering 4 years of Kerry you'll be convinced that Bush was the wrong man for the job...

And allow Kerry to nominate 2 or lifetime more Supreme Court justices and a slew of judges? (4 years?..Try 8 years). That's the misguided, Conservative death-wish mentality that elected the Clintons.

43 posted on 06/28/2004 11:47:14 AM PDT by Consort
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To: Russ
How about Bush/McCain?

HELL NO!!

Bush/Rice is the ticket in 04, setting up Rice vs Clinton in 2008. I'll go for Rice/McCain in 2008. ..if McCain is still a republican.

44 posted on 06/28/2004 11:54:27 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Consort
Then you're part of the problem. Your write-in will hurt Bush (who disappointed you) and will help Kerry (who disgusted you). Thanks for nothing.

Sorry, but just cannot see rewarding someone who's failed as badly as 43...and, although I'll hold my nose for the next four years, I do see hope if Kerry is elected: HE WILL BE SO BAD HE'LL MAKE THE GOP TAKEOVER OF CONGRESS IN 1994 LOOK LIKE A CAKEWALK BECAUSE VIRTUALLY EVERY LIBERAL DEMOCRAT LINKED TO HIM WILL GO DOWN IN 2006!

45 posted on 06/29/2004 6:30:32 AM PDT by meandog ("Do unto others before they do unto you!")
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To: meandog
...and, although I'll hold my nose for the next four years, I do see hope if Kerry is elected: HE WILL BE SO BAD HE'LL MAKE THE GOP TAKEOVER OF CONGRESS IN 1994 LOOK LIKE A CAKEWALK BECAUSE VIRTUALLY EVERY LIBERAL DEMOCRAT LINKED TO HIM WILL GO DOWN IN 2006!

Don't take this personally, but that is the most idiotic, stupidest, short-sighted, POS statement we've seen in quite a while. But you already know that. Do you call yourself a conservative?

46 posted on 06/29/2004 7:33:04 AM PDT by Consort
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To: Consort
Don't take this personally, but that is the most idiotic, stupidest, short-sighted, POS statement we've seen in quite a while. But you already know that. Do you call yourself a conservative?

I do, but I use the term "moral conservative" because, after all, that is what conservatives are supposed to be! Accordingly, as such, I would never stoop to the sane offensive terms you used to describe my posting!

47 posted on 06/29/2004 11:28:22 AM PDT by meandog ("Do unto others before they do unto you!")
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To: meandog

If the truth bothers you, you can always ignore it.


48 posted on 06/29/2004 12:24:40 PM PDT by Consort
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