Posted on 06/22/2004 7:38:47 AM PDT by lugsoul
WASHINGTON -- The CIA concluded "a long time ago" that an al-Qaida associate who met with two of the Sept. 11 hijackers in Malaysia was not an officer in Saddam Hussein's army, as alleged Sunday by a Republican member of the 9/11 commission.
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It must be nice being able to have things both ways - it sure simplifies debate, or what passes for such with Dems.
And finding stockpiles of WMD in Iraq was a "slam dunk" according to George Tenet.
"an Administration Official"? Can you be more specific?
There is the assumption in this article that the "new" information is the same as the "old" information.
It's so interesting watching the leftists deny that which they once wrote about.
We know Saddam worked with the PLO and other terrorists, he funded them. He at LEAST knew that 9/11 was coming.
Less than two months before 9/11/01, the state-controlled Iraqi newspaper “Al-Nasiriya” carried a column headlined, “American, an Obsession called Osama Bin Ladin.” (July 21, 2001)
In the piece, Baath Party writer Naeem Abd Muhalhal predicted that bin Laden would attack the US “with the seriousness of the Bedouin of the desert about the way he will try to bomb the Pentagon after he destroys the White House.”
The same state-approved column also insisted that bin Laden “will strike America on the arm that is already hurting,” and that the US “will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra every time he hears his songs” – an apparent reference to the Sinatra classic, “New York, New York”.
(Link below)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1106657/posts?page=1
List of newspaper article in the 90's which mention the world's concern regarding the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/946809/posts?page=1
Son of Saddam coordinates OBL activities:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951911/posts
The AQ connection (excellent):http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/944617/posts?page=2
Western Nightmare: http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html
Saddam's link to OBL: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts
NYT: Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/985906/posts
Document linking them: http://tennessean.com/nation-world/archives/03/06/34908297.shtml?Element_ID=34908297
Iraq and terrorism - no doubt about it: http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp
A federal judge rules there are links:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986293/posts
Wall Street Journal on Iraq and AQ:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987129/posts
Iraq and Iran contact OBL: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/981055/posts
More evidence: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq27.xml
Saddam's AQ connection: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969032/posts
Further connections: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts
What a court of law said about the connections:
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/98110402.htm
Some miscellaneous stuff on connections:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/989201/posts
Saddam's Ambassador to Al Qaeda: (February 2004, Weekly Standard)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1083778/posts
Yes - it's NewsMax but loaded with interesting bullet points.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1097521/posts?page=1
Saddam's Fingerprints on NY Bombing (Wall Street Journal, June 1993)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1115387/posts
Colin Powell: Iraq and AQ Partners for Years (CNN, February 2003)
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.irq.alqaeda.links/
The Iraq-Al Qaeda Connections (September 2003, Richard Miniter)
http://www.techcentralstation.com/092503F.html
Oil for Food Scandal Ties Iraq and Al Qaeda (June 2003)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1125899/posts
Saddam and OBL Make a Pact (The New Yorker, February 2003):
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030210fa_fact
Al Qaeda's Poison Gas (Wall Street Journal, April 2004):
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005016
Wolfowitz Says Saddam behind 9/11 Attacks:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/921398/posts
Saddam behind first WTC attack - PBS, Laurie Mylroie:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/mylroie.html
Growing Evidence of Saddam and Al Qaeda Link, The Weekly Standard, July 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/946997/posts
Qusay Hussein Coordinated Iraq special operations with Bin Laden Terrorist Activities, Yossef Bodansky, National Press Club
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951911/posts
The Western Nightmare: Saddam and Bin Laden vs. the Rest of the World, The Guardian Unlimited:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html
Saddam Link to Bin Laden, Julian Borger, The Guardian, February 1999
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts
The Al Qaeda Connection, The Weekly Standard, July 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/944617/posts?page=2
Cheney lectures Russert on Iraq/911 Link, September 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/982713/posts
No Question About It, National Review, September 2003
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp
Iraq: A Federal Judges Point of View
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986293/posts
Mohammed's Account links Iraq to 9/11 and OKC:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987075/posts
Free Republic Thread that mentions so me books Freepers might be interested in on this topic:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/977221/posts?page=8
The Proof that Saddam Worked with AQ, The Telegraph, April 2003:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq27.xml
Saddam's AQ Connection, The Weekly Standard, September 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969032/posts
September 11 Victims Sue Iraq:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2237332.stm
Osama's Best Friend: The Further Connections Between Al Qaeda and Saddam, The Weekly Standard, November 2003
Terrorist Behind 9/11 Attacks Trained by Saddam, The Telegraph, December 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts
James Woolsey Links Iraq and AQ, CNN Interview, March 2004, Also see Posts #34 and #35
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1104121/posts
A Geocities Interesting Web Site with maps and connections:
http://www.geocities.com/republican_strategist/Iraq-Bin-Laden.html
Bin Laden indicted in federal court, read down to find information that Bin Laden agreed to not attack Iraq and to work cooperatively with Iraq:
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/98110402.htm
Case Closed, The Weekly Standard, November 03
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp
CBS - Lawsuit: Iraq involved in 9/11:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/05/september11/main520874.shtml
Exploring Iraq's Involvement in pre-9/11 Acts, The Indianapolis Star:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/746225/posts
The Iraq/AQ Connection: Richard Minister again
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/989201/posts
Militia Defector says Baghdad trained Al Qaeda fighters in chemical weapons, July 2002
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/743892/posts
The Clinton View of Iraq/AQ Ties, The Weekly Standard, December 2003
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp
Saddam Controlled the Camps (Iraq/AQ Ties): The London Observer, November 01
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/741676/posts
Saddam's Terror Ties that Critics Ignore, National Review, October 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1005579/posts
Tape Shows General Wesley Clark linking Iraq and AQ:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1056113/posts
Freeper list of links between AQ and Iraq:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/850346/posts
Salman Pak (Aviation Weekly)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/865435/posts
Another freeper resource - list of links between OBL and Saddam:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838309/posts
Saddam/911 Link (FrontPage Magazine, Laurie Mylroie, May 2004):
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1133317/posts
Bush says Zarqawi killed Berg, cites Saddam ties (Reuters, May 2004)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1136076/posts
The Connections (May 2004, The Weekly Standard)
New Information:http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1144123/posts?page=11
Saddam's role in 9/11. (Freeper book, May 2004)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1144699/posts?page=5
Entire link and Post #5 - Clinton mentioned how AQ was developing a relationship with Iraq.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1145787/posts
The House of Representatives read into the congressional record the ties that Saddam had to Osama bin Laden (read down and open links in the record): June 2004
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/B?r108:@FIELD(FLD003+h)+@FIELD(DDATE+20040601)
Exploring the links between 9/11 and Iraq (Richard Miniter, June 2004)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1146319/posts?page=1
The Terrorist behind 9/11 was trained by Saddam (The Telegraph, 12/03)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1146356/posts?page=1
New Iraqi Chief Links 9/11 to Saddam (June 2004, NewsMax)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1146579/posts?page=1
Increasing evidence of Saddam's ties to 9/11 and AQ (National Review, June 2004)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1146984/posts
Pre Bush Timeline of Saddam/OBL Ties (Freeper research):
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1152923/posts?page=1
Cheney claims Iraq/AQ connections (June 2004)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1153781/posts?page=20
THE GREAT TERROR
by JEFFREY GOLDBERG
In northern Iraq, there is new evidence of Saddam Hussein's genocidal war on the Kurds—and of his possible ties to Al Qaeda. (2002)
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?020325fa_FACT1
M. Peaches 9/11 bookmarks, what Clinton knew and when:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/685442/posts
http://www.truthusa.com/911.html
Stephen Hayes book, The Intel Links OBL and Saddam (The Weekly Standard, June 2004)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103176,00.html
Britain insists that AQ was in Iraq pre war (June 2004)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1155369/posts
Cheney says definite ties between Iraq/AQ and outraged at NYT headline (June 2004)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1155520/posts?page=1
How the Networks Pretend to Ignore their own reporting from the 1990's (MRC, June 2004)
http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2004/cyb20040617.asp
The AQ/Iraq connection according to the NYT in 1998 (NYT, 1998 and again in 2004)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1155977/posts
Well, duh. He didn't know the Saddam Hussein's army secret handshake.
A long, long time ago I can still remember how that music used to make me smile and I knew if I had my chance that I could make those people dance and maybe they'd be happy for a while
I'm not insinuating anything, dirtboy. I'm posting an article that addresses an issue that many here have called the "smoking gun" on Iraq / Al-Qaeda. Lehman said the info has to be confirmed, and this article - not me, this article - says that the intelligence indicates it is not the same person. Have you seen any follow-up indicating that it is the same person? If you think the premise is flawed, think back to those [now-debunked] stories about Mohammed Atta being released from an Israeli prison. Whoops - different Atta.
I would like to know who the article is referencing, but I don't know any more than is published in the article.
Nah, you just post an article from a notorious left-wing rag. Pure innocence, even though your subsequent response goes on to, well, insinuate.
I'm posting an article that addresses an issue that many here have called the "smoking gun" on Iraq / Al-Qaeda. Lehman said the info has to be confirmed, and this article - not me, this article - says that the intelligence indicates it is not the same person. Have you seen any follow-up indicating that it is the same person?
Well, do you believe the CIA or don't you? And if the CIA said it was the same person, would you turn around and cast doubt on the CIA's veracity? Most likely.
If you think the premise is flawed, think back to those [now-debunked] stories about Mohammed Atta being released from an Israeli prison. Whoops - different Atta.
Ah - so because it happened before, it can happen again. Sorry, but given the widespread abuse of the truth by the left-wing media over the recent 9-11 Commission findings regarding the relationship between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda, I don't trust the media as far as I could throw them.
There's no point to this article other than the headline, which is unsupported. The rest is jibberish.
In the first place, you never know if the CIA is making public what it really thinks.
In the second place, there are good reasons to suspect that George Tenet has been a clintonoid operative who has undermined Bush steadily. He has been subtle about it, but the Valerie Plame affair never would have happened if he had been doing his job. And he has been suspiciously insistent that Atta was not in Czechoslavakia when the Czech authorities still insist that he was. And he has been very slow to step forward and help Bush out when intelligence is under fire.
Tenet is not the last clintonoid in the CIA by any means. Bush has regretably done nothing to root them out or damp them down.
Hmmm...trying to make the case that there was no connection based on one meeting when there is plenty of other evidence available to prove a connection? Sounds like a Knut Case to me... : )
I posted an article that provides information relating to the question posed by Lehman himself - is it the same guy or not? Apparently, you just don't like the information. Do you have any information that it is the same guy, or not?
FACT: Even if they aren't the same Shakir, we know that the "al-Qaida" Shakir was provided a job by the Iraqi Embassy to greet arriving passengers at Kula Lumpar Airport. The CIA has pictures of the "al Qaida" Shakir meeting 911 hijacker Kahlid al Midhar at the airport and then leaving with him to attend a meeting with al Hazmi (another hijacker) along with other top 911 planners. Shakir quit his "job" as a greeter two days after the meeting
FACT: "al-Qaida" Shakir was arrested in Qatar, released to Jordan where he was arrested again and then released to Iraq at the request of top Iraqi officials.
Iraq has their fingerprints all over this with their questionable association with "al-Qaida" Shakir and whether he was also the Shakir in the Fedayeen is interesting, but beside the point.
This is an issue that could have major implications for the Bush Administration and the election and it must be flushed out before Novemmber. Right now we think there may be a connection but the possibility of two guys with the same name is still very real. The possibility that the names aren't quite the same is also not ruled out. What we need is a definitive answer on this issue and we certainly do not have it at this time.
Given that, I think that anything that is published on this subject needs to be brought to the attention of the greatest political research team that has ever existed, namely the members of Free Republic. Give us the data. We will figure out the truth.
This Iraq-Al Qaida link thing between the administration and the commission is one of the funniest games of two-card monty I've ever seen in my entire life. It truly gets more laughable by the day.
Several things have changed in recent months. The US intelligence community now has access to the files of most of the ministries of the recently deposed Ba'athist regime in Iraq, and many of these files have been translated or deciphered, showing relationships that may have only been hinted at, or discounted, in the past. Reviewing what the CIA believed to be probable conclusions in 1998, for example, and comparing it to what is found in the records kept by the Ba'athist regime, can be very revealing, and could result in a number of people being discovered to have been speaking out their rectal orfices.
You got that right. Freeper research puts all opposition research to shame. Now if we can make the RNC use it!
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