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Beheading of Taliban would be war crime-HRW
Reuters ^ | 6/23/04

Posted on 06/23/2004 8:21:06 AM PDT by areafiftyone

KABUL, June 23 (Reuters) - The reported beheading of Taliban captives by Afghan forces this week would be a war crime and the troops and commanders responsible should be put on trial, a U.S.-based human rights group said on Wednesday.

Namatullah Tokhi, commander of the Afghan government's 27th militia division in Zabul province, said on Tuesday soldiers there beheaded four Taliban fighters a day earlier after guerrillas cut off the heads of an Afghan interpreter for U.S.-led forces and an Afghan government soldier.

Summary executions of prisoners were a serious violation of the Geneva Conventions and human rights law, said John Sifton, Human Rights Watch representative for Afghanistan.

"If these beheadings actually occurred, it is a very serious incident: the killing of captured prisoners in the context of an international conflict is a war crime," he said.

The soldiers responsible, and the commanders who could have prevented the killings, should be arrested and tried, he said.

"If U.S. or coalition forces were on site during the killings, as they usually are during anti-Taliban operations, and they failed to try to stop the killings, they may be culpable in the crimes as well."

U.S. military spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Tucker Mansager told a briefing in Kabul he had no knowledge of any incident in Zabul beyond reports in the media.

Tokhi told Reuters the interpreter and the soldier were beheaded after becoming separated from a patrol of Afghan and U.S.-led foreign troops in the Arghandab district of Zabul.

He said government troops later captured and killed four Taliban guerrillas in the same way.

"They cut off their heads with a knife, so when our forces arrested four Taliban, we cut off their heads too," he said. Contacted again on Wednesday, Tokhi denied speaking to Reuters.

"NOT INVOLVED"

A spokesman for the Defence Ministry said the matter was under investigation, but stressed there was no involvement by the Western-trained Afghan National Army (ANA), a fledgling force fighting militants alongside U.S.-led foreign troops.

Asked if the beheadings took place, he said: "We say that this act has not been carried out by the national army. We are investigating the report."

Militia forces, like Tokhi's, are on the payroll of the defence ministry and fight alongside U.S.-led forces but are not part of the new national army.

Zabul and adjoining southern provinces have been the scene of bloody clashes between Taliban guerrillas and U.S.-led and government forces since the Taliban's overthrow in late 2001.

U.S. forces invaded Afghanistan that year in pursuit of al Qaeda, the militant network sheltered by the Taliban and blamed for the September 11 attacks on the United States.

Taliban fighters have beheaded government soldiers in the past, but it is the first time government forces in Zabul have admitted doing the same, marking the escalation of a brutal conflict that has claimed more than 800 lives since last August.

The Taliban and Islamic militant allies, including al Qaeda, have declared a holy war against the 20,000-strong U.S.-led force and consider foreign and local aid workers legitimate targets as well as foreign and government soldiers and officials.

The guerrillas have also vowed to disrupt elections planned for September. (Reporting by David Brunnstrom, Mirwais Afghan and Sayed Salahuddin)


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KEYWORDS: afghanistan; taliban
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1 posted on 06/23/2004 8:21:06 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

B S


2 posted on 06/23/2004 8:23:25 AM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: areafiftyone

I would call it "tit for tat" if it was up to me.


3 posted on 06/23/2004 8:24:11 AM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: areafiftyone

Would someone please tell these mealy-mouthed maggots to try taking their crying game to the Islamofascists who are beheading AMERICANS and see how far they get?

Until these jackwits can appreciate what sort of enemy we're dealing with, they have absolutely no room to whine.


4 posted on 06/23/2004 8:24:47 AM PDT by Prime Choice (When Clinton lies, he insults our integrity. When Kerry lies, he insults our intelligence.)
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To: areafiftyone

are they CRAZY!?!?!?!

How STUPID can a person be???

This is insane.


5 posted on 06/23/2004 8:24:52 AM PDT by JustPlainJoe
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To: TomGuy

I am getting sick and tired of these Human Rights groups!


6 posted on 06/23/2004 8:24:56 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: areafiftyone

are they CRAZY!?!?!?!

How STUPID can a person be???

This is insane.


7 posted on 06/23/2004 8:25:03 AM PDT by JustPlainJoe
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To: areafiftyone

Sorry, the US was not in at the time... Afghan forces were taking messages for us at the time. No one is to blame...except the Taliban.


8 posted on 06/23/2004 8:25:58 AM PDT by smith288 (Even if you hate me, God bless you )
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To: areafiftyone
Summary executions of prisoners were a serious violation of the Geneva Conventions and human rights law, said John Sifton, Human Rights Watch representative for Afghanistan. No it's not. Were they in uniform?
9 posted on 06/23/2004 8:26:06 AM PDT by I got the rope
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To: areafiftyone

"Summary executions of prisoners were a serious violation of the Geneva Conventions and human rights law, said John Sifton, Human Rights Watch representative for Afghanistan."


Still waiting on comment from Mr. Sifton on Berg, Johnson, and Kim.
Waiting.....waiting.....waiting....


10 posted on 06/23/2004 8:26:19 AM PDT by KJacob (No military in the history of the world has fought so hard and so often for the freedom of others.)
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To: areafiftyone

Afgan forces messedup - they are supposed to get 3 times the number (should have been 9). Then instead of a simple "chop off the head" there should have been castration involved & various body parts shoved in their owners mouths AND THEN the head chopped off.


duh.


11 posted on 06/23/2004 8:28:49 AM PDT by NotQuiteCricket (~looking for a grounding wire for my tinfoil hat)
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To: areafiftyone

I remember an interview of a taliban leader. He said they were sorry for using a soccer stadium for their public beheadings. However they would gladly stop beheading people in the soccer stadium if we would build them a stadium specifically for beheadings.


12 posted on 06/23/2004 8:28:52 AM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: areafiftyone

WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


13 posted on 06/23/2004 8:29:15 AM PDT by jooheeyang
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To: areafiftyone

Where are these "human rights groups" when people are getting their head chopped off?

WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE???


14 posted on 06/23/2004 8:29:27 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg
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To: areafiftyone

Gee they missed the beheadings of the interpreter and soldier....went straight to the good guys to attack. i wonder if they think the terrorist have the "right" to behead.


15 posted on 06/23/2004 8:29:27 AM PDT by marty60
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To: areafiftyone

Wonder what this world would be like if these Human Rights groups went after the Taliban and Al Qaeda like they go after the good guys. These are twisted people with a very warped sense of justice. Totally and utterly useless and probably pretty close to harmful.


16 posted on 06/23/2004 8:29:31 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: areafiftyone

A historical precedent: The mutual animosity between the Germans and Canadians in WWII, especially after Dieppe. Prisoners on either side were summarily shot out of hand after capture.


17 posted on 06/23/2004 8:30:21 AM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: areafiftyone

Yeh. Wonder whether Daddy Berg is somehow behind this?


18 posted on 06/23/2004 8:30:46 AM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: JustPlainJoe

These NGO groups know no bounds, they have not perspective. They operate on a purely hysterical level. There was an article in the WSJ, yesterday, about the Doctors without borders group trying to bill the French government for the ransom that they paid for one of their members who was taken hostage in Dakastan. The French were refusing to pay becausee they said that they played no part in the negotiations.


19 posted on 06/23/2004 8:30:48 AM PDT by Eva
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To: areafiftyone

So, why aren't they going after AlQaeda, who seem to have started this p*ssing contest?


20 posted on 06/23/2004 8:30:55 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: areafiftyone
The reported beheading of Taliban captives by Afghan forces this week would be a war crime and the troops and commanders responsible should be put on trial, a U.S.-based human rights group said on Wednesday.

Does anybody recall a similar statement being released by these folks about beheadings committed by America's enemies?

21 posted on 06/23/2004 8:32:45 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: areafiftyone

Call the WWWWAAAAumbalance!


22 posted on 06/23/2004 8:32:58 AM PDT by cabrera
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To: GeorgiaDawg

Yeh, these humanitarian groups are quiet when it is al-Qaeda and Islamofanatics doing the beheadings.


23 posted on 06/23/2004 8:33:13 AM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: areafiftyone
"Summary executions of prisoners were a serious violation of the Geneva Conventions and human rights law, said John Sifton, Human Rights Watch representative for Afghanistan."

I am not sure that Afghanistan was a signatory of the convention, and I am less sure that the Taliban here were wearing uniforms when captured.

If either of those were not the case, then they have no Geneva Convention rights.

24 posted on 06/23/2004 8:35:26 AM PDT by William McKinley
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To: areafiftyone
These so-called "human rights" groups should be renamed "terrorist rights" groups. After all, they're looking out for and seeking to protect the enemy, right?
25 posted on 06/23/2004 8:36:03 AM PDT by we_will_prevail
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To: areafiftyone

Where can I find the statement made by HRW condemning the murders of Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg, Paul Johnson and Kim Sun-Il?


26 posted on 06/23/2004 8:36:09 AM PDT by Alouette ("Your children like olive trees seated round your table." -- Psalm 128:3)
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To: areafiftyone

does anybody have a list of the countries that signed the geneva convention? did afghanistan?


27 posted on 06/23/2004 8:36:42 AM PDT by holdmuhbeer
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To: holdmuhbeer
Yes. And no.
28 posted on 06/23/2004 8:38:24 AM PDT by Dales
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To: areafiftyone

Ah, what about these animals who kidnap INNOCENT people, photo and behead them?

Is this NOT a war crime? Suddenly when anyone other than a "terrorist" does it, then it is a "war crime."

I can't type what I think of that or I'll be banned from FR.


29 posted on 06/23/2004 8:39:26 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: areafiftyone
Human Rights Watch is hardly a bellwether for morality. Last year, they issued a press release urging the United States to extend Full Marriage Rights for Same-Sex Partners.
30 posted on 06/23/2004 8:39:51 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: areafiftyone
OK, so sew the heads back on and call it even.

Problem solved.

31 posted on 06/23/2004 8:41:40 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: areafiftyone

So, we finally hear from the press and their lackeys on the subject of beheadings. Why am I not surprised that it's the terrorists that get the pass?


32 posted on 06/23/2004 8:43:49 AM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: holdmuhbeer
does anybody have a list of the countries that signed the geneva convention? did afghanistan?

Doesn't matter. According to the G. Convention, any combatant not wearing a uniform can be considered a spy and killed on the spot.

33 posted on 06/23/2004 8:47:57 AM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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HRW is all wet.
I looked it up. It is only a war crime if you put panties on the severed head or use it as a ball in a soccer match.


34 posted on 06/23/2004 8:49:57 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: areafiftyone

Where is this same group on the Taliban's beheading of Afghani people?

I guess it's only a war crime when perpetrated against terrorists?


35 posted on 06/23/2004 8:50:58 AM PDT by TheBattman (http://www.miniclip.com/bushshootout.htm)
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To: KJacob

Just waded through their website, I wanted to be fair.

"Holding someone hostage, and then brutally murdering him, is a heinous crime that no political cause can justify. Those responsible for this atrocity and for earlier attacks that have killed scores of civilians, Saudi and foreign alike, should be apprehended and brought to justice."


Joe Stork
Washington Director of the Middle East and North Africa Division

No other mention of the beheading in afghanistan that precipitated the one mentioned here no mention of the journalist Pearle or Mr.berg or Mr. Kim


36 posted on 06/23/2004 8:51:26 AM PDT by bad company (This space For Rent)
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To: Dales

Doubtful Afghan Al Qeada were in proper military uniforms.


37 posted on 06/23/2004 8:53:20 AM PDT by cabrera
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To: areafiftyone
This story, along with the recent development of hate-crime statutes in many countries, shows how we are developing a two-track standard of law (and, by extension, reality), with one set of rules for those who are civilized and one set for those who are not.

Who does this benefit?

(ten seconds, Bob)

(steely)

38 posted on 06/23/2004 8:56:30 AM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: areafiftyone

Lots of people are. Human rights groups are nothing more than propagandists for left wing causes. That is why no one trusts them except the media.


39 posted on 06/23/2004 8:59:45 AM PDT by eleni121 (Mt. Rushmore welcomes the Gipper!)
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To: SLB

> "I would call it "tit for tat" if it was up to me." <

Read it again. That's not what they cut off.


40 posted on 06/23/2004 9:01:15 AM PDT by MainFrame65
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To: areafiftyone

Watching HRW attempt to go in to id the guys who did this would be one funny situation.

Northern Alliance don't play that way.


41 posted on 06/23/2004 9:02:28 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: areafiftyone
The Taliban are members of a criminal gang. They are not uniformed soldiers of a sovereign nation.

Since they are not prisoners of war, the Geneva convention would not apply to them, even if Afghanistan were a signatory to Geneva.

42 posted on 06/23/2004 9:03:33 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: areafiftyone

I don't think that the terrorists give a rat's a$$ about the Geneva Convention.


43 posted on 06/23/2004 9:12:33 AM PDT by PleaseNoMore
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To: wideawake

Thank you. To counter their own claims: "the killing of captured prisoners in the context of an international conflict is a war crime,"

Afghanistan is no longer an international conflict. They have an established independent government that rules their country, and these AQ fighters are either treasonous rebels or foreign criminals. Since Afghanistan is a Muslim country, these criminals and rebels get to enjoy the fruits of Muslim law...including summary beheadings.


44 posted on 06/23/2004 9:14:39 AM PDT by Arthalion
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"Yeh, these humanitarian groups are quiet when it is al-Qaeda and Islamofanatics doing the beheadings."

Which leads me to wonder why.....are they working for Al Quaeda....are they being paid by Al Quaeda to make such remarks? I wouldn't be surprised in the least.


45 posted on 06/23/2004 9:18:07 AM PDT by Arpege92 (I'd pi$$ on a spark plug if I thought it would do any good!)
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To: areafiftyone
Good guys Killing bad guys - BAD

Bad guys killing good guys - GOOD

These "Human Rights" maggots need to just S.T.F.U.!

Human rights my butt. Terrorist scum don't have any rights.

Tit for tat.

46 posted on 06/23/2004 9:20:53 AM PDT by Johnny Gage (What was the best thing before "sliced" bread?)
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Summary executions of prisoners were a serious violation of the Geneva Conventions and human rights law...

Summary execution of non-uniformed combatants is entirely legal per the Geneva Convention, Herr Prince.

47 posted on 06/23/2004 9:30:48 AM PDT by MortMan (Complacency is an enemy sniper)
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To: areafiftyone

Right, arrest the war criminals. Anybody happen to get their names and notice which direction they went? No? How about the neck-smiters in Iraq? In Thailand? In Philippines?


48 posted on 06/23/2004 9:34:04 AM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: areafiftyone
The reported beheading of Taliban captives by Afghan forces this week would be a
war crime and the troops and commanders responsible should be put on trial,
a U.S.-based human rights group said on Wednesday.


How culturally insensitive.
These folks need to rent a copy of "The Man Who Would Be King" to see what
the stakes for losing are like in that area of the world.
49 posted on 06/23/2004 9:35:43 AM PDT by VOA
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To: areafiftyone
when in Rome do as the romans do
50 posted on 06/23/2004 9:36:33 AM PDT by camas
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