Posted on 06/24/2004 12:35:11 AM PDT by Veritas_est
This is truly frightening news.
They can't cover it, it might bump the Abu Graib scandal off the front pages. It's only WMDs you know, it can only kill millions of people, it's not like it's something serious like pink panties on the head of a terrorist.
WMDs are a fact of the modern day, with high speed communications, transportation, internet banking, encryption technology all making it rather simple for any serious thug, pirate, thief, evildoer to obtain WMDs, recruit, plot and plan and pull off mass murder.
Our borders will never be fully sealed - it's impossible. It's simple to carry enough to kill many in a small vial, or bomb, and the ACLU and their allies in control of our major info-entertainment-education providers, still misleading the world even post-911, would thwart any attempts to control our borders which require us to actually look closely at individuals, threaten their personal liberties.
It would be a guaranteed win for Kerry this fall, and an end to America, even this America where we are still free to worship, speek, assemble, vote, criticize the government, and where, for almost 3 years, in spite of being the #1 target of the enemy (after Israel), the 'hapless' folks at Homeland Security have prevented ALL attacks on our home soil (we could probably all benefit from hearing the number of attacks thwarted by those charged to defend us).
We need to be as prepared and vigilant as possible, but the only real solution is changing hearts and minds, exposing the enemy, speaking up for the truth. The only real solution is Christ- to protect and guide and strengthen our wills and actions, to pray and hope those who see see...and we need to expose the lies and real cruel history of the enemy, instead of wasting our time and resources investigating and attacking our ALLIEs daily, emboldening the enemy.
The enemy seeks to divide and conquer.
Of course there are, and always will be, things we can do better - and should and do seek them - but this country can't handle the truth, yet. Still don't know the nature of the enemy, or the courage of those working hard to defend us, and our homefront today - with little help, and much critism, from their countrymen.
So you are saying leave the weapons with the Puppet Master of Terrorism rather than the Puppets. Brilliant.
They did it so quickly because the Democrats were sending people to help them.
WMD Ping!
Yes... and for that matter, no "Sealed Vaccuum" in any Laboratory in the physical Universe is truly a "completely closed system".
So what?
Re-deploy 4 divisions of Regular Army and National Guardsmen home (from "Allies" who don't want them anyway) and station them along the Borders... and spend on Border Control and Port Inspection even half of the $90 Billion we're gonna spend "rebuilding Iraq" (a country which can rebuild itself -- by selling me gasoline!!)...
And our Ports and Borders will be as water-tight as a Duck's butt.
But it's close enough for the Duck.
best, OP
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The link doesn't work anymore, BTW..........
Hussein was a paranoid recluse with numerous doubles and deception programs in place to prevent assasination, so the liklihood of being able to get to him was very slim. Besides, you then have the sons and numerous cousins, henchmen, etc. You'd have to have dozens of targets all hit quickly, then you still have to go in and get the WMD because, if not, they would still be up for grabs like they seem to be now. There are those (Kerry, Waxman, Kennedy, etc.) who will spin this by saying that Bush has further endangered the world by "allowing" the WMD to be dispersed, but, anyone who thinks Hussein was making them as a hobby or had no intention of not selling and/or distributing them to outsiders is simply fooling themselves.
So, if we did not invade, the WMD programs would still be operational and another year more advanced. The products would still be sold to al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, other countries, etc. The Bush-haters like to say that Hussein would not sell his WMD to bin Laden because he would then have his "fingerprints" on whatever attacks came as a result, but that is naive because he knows his fingerprints have already been found on the first World Trade Center attack and the attempt on former-President George H.W. Bush's life during a trip to Kuwait. This argument is just as flimsy as saying the secularist Hussein and Islamacist bin Laden would never collaborate.
The war was not a perfect option for getting rid of the WMD, but it was about the only one, given the corruption of the U.N., France, Germany, and Russia, the unseriousness of the Democrats in dealing with the problem, and the reckless, oppressive, and paranoid nature of the Hussein regime.
Like anything else that justifies the Bush administration's actions, this will be spiked or buried.
The enemy fifth column is hard at work in the form of our own media.
I have been trying to get people to look at another way evidence might be distorted..........Please see http://www.ci-ce-ct.com/Feature%20articles/02-12-2002.asp and read up on taqiyya if you haven't already. It compliments physical deception perfectly. In fact do a google search.
Nope.
Somehow -- you managed to both invert what I said, AND invert the whole Focus of the Article, all in a single, apparently-dyslexic Posting!!
Impressive. Quite. Indeed.
Lemme help you through this, kindergartener (I'll use "puppets", since you seem to understand the medium).
AHEM: The ARTICLE says that the mangy "Puppets" in Iraq no longer have the "Big Bad Nasties", because the "Puppet Master" decided to Export the "Big Bad Nasties" all over the world as soon as he figured out that his strings were about to be cut.
I SUGGESTED (as I have suggested on this Forum... for years) that while Colin Powell was stalling the UN, Dubya Bush could have rescinded "Falling Down Ford"s Executive Order 12333 concerning Assassination (it's an E.O., any President can rescind the Order) and given the Boys in Black a chance to hone their wet-work skills on one Saddam Hussein and his Boyz.
And, if Assassination didn't work... we could always go to war anyway, of course.
Assassination of an Aggressive Enemy Tyrant is, compared to outright War, simply the morally-preferable Option for the Christian Ethicist (See the example of Ehud, Judges 3:15-26; no "collateral damage", just one dead "Terrorist Puppet Master") -- and should be attempted first.
That's all I'm saying.
NOW do you understand, Moppet?
best, op
And that is a reason to ignore them because? Nobody really cares if they want to kill their own people, it is precisely the exporting that is the problem.
And I agree, NK and Iran are really nasty and need to be taken out. Unless US military doctrine has advanced to the point where we could take them out with as few casualties as in Iraq, forget about it. People would never support it. We will just have a take a massive hit first.
Most of these tales of "numerous doubles and deception programs in place" have since been disproved. The fact is, once the War began, the US Air Force had Hussein in their targets and bombed his luncheon deli appointment almost immediately after the Order was Given.
Yes, the Fly-boys missed him -- by maybe ten minutes. If that.
But the point is, the Target was acquired and an attempted Elimination prosecuted almost immediately after the War began.
What happened to all the alleged "Doubles", then?
Guess we knew whom we were aiming for, all along.
What if we had "given the order", on an Assassination basis, six months before?
Besides, you then have the sons and numerous cousins, henchmen, etc.
Kill them too. Facing a Level of Magnitude less security, in each case.
You'd have to have dozens of targets all hit quickly,
No, you don't. All you have to do is create Chaos at the Top.
What happens when you create Chaos at the Top of a Totalitarian Dictatorship? (Hint: it's not "Export the WMD's worldwide". Every player in the destabilized Regime is looking for his own Ace Card -- not trying to go out in a "blaze of glory", ala Saddam or Hitler)
then you still have to go in and get the WMD because, if not, they would still be up for grabs like they seem to be now.
No, the domestic destabilization of the Iraqi Regime would've created an incentive for rival claimants to secure control of Iraqi WMD's under their own banner, within Iraq.
It seems pretty obvious to me, but even if you think I'm wrong: what's the worst case scenario? Total Export of All Iraqi WMD's to Terrorist Organizations Worldwide? That's what happened anyway, according to this UN report.
It's become evident that the WMDs do exist and that iraqi ties to al qaeda did extensively exist (I can make a good case from a variety of links that there was a definite Saddam/Al Qaeda link, and I can make a reasonable case for a Saddam/binLaden link.) This corners the opposition in terms of their prior claims, but it opens the brilliant strategy of claiming that (1) Under Clinton they were contained in Iraq, and (2)The war (Pres. Bush) has CAUSED their proliferation.
I am impressed, and it will be an effective strategy to some degree.
The response: Pretend to be the President making a risk assessment-
1. Damned if I do and damned if I don't. I do nothing and they get handed off to terrorists. I start a war and they get hidden and channeled to terrorists. In either case they get into the hands of terrorists.
2. Major Advantage of War: I get to kill the body that's supporting the head. With the supporters of terrorism gone, then the likelihood of their following through with significant attacks launched from an entire world that's hostile territory is far less than from the confines of host terrorist nations.
The above is a reasonable evaluation, imo, of a proper response to the charge that the war caused the proliferation.
The problem right now is HUGE. They have stopped the war on terror in order to rebuild Iraq. Perhaps Iraq should eventually be rebuilt, but only after all the terrorist host nations are gone. They are not.
We MUST:
1. Conquer Syria. Period...there is no other answer.
2. Conquer Iran. Their nuclear program and their harboring of terrorists for years (they are actually the MAJOR terrorist nation....not Iraq) makes them a necessary conquest.
3. Overthrow Saudi.
4. Defeat Musharraff's enemies in Pakistan in detail, and then turn against any mountain taliban/al qaeda.
5. Fully support Putin in the muslim provinces of the former soviet -- Chechnya, Khazastan, etc.
6. Same #4 in Philippines and Indonesia.
When the war is done, then we can turn back to some level of "rebuilding" stage. To the extent that we rebuild the capacity for trade we help ourselves. That same logic entailed with Europe after WWII.
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