Posted on 06/24/2004 9:07:52 AM PDT by presidio9
Edited on 06/24/2004 3:15:31 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Although there hasn't been a draft in more than 30 years, 22-year-old Minneapolis college graduate Nathan Mittelstaedt is worried that he might be forced into military service.
He's not alone.
Despite shaky evidence -- and denials by top officials -- Mittelstaedt and many other young people in Minnesota and across the nation are convinced that a draft is secretly in the works. Through mass e-mails and Internet sites, the word is going out that as early as next June, men and women as old as 34 will be subject to random, mandatory military service.
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It isn't true, of course. We're only going to draft leftists. And use them unarmed, in human wave attacks against entrenched enemy machine guns. Sssshhhhh! It's a secret!
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THE PLAN IS ALL CHARLIE RANGEL'S!!!!
He's the putz who introduced the bill.
I've had LLL'ers tell me the same crap - they shut their mouths after I show them Rangel's sponsorship of the bill.
Comrade, is fraternal socialst journalists reporting this!
Whine bags. They want the protections of this country. To hide behind the flag, the military, the protections. But, these whine bags will not join, and will run if drafted. NO DRAFT! The military does not need the anti-war cry babies of the Vietnam era. We enlistees did just fine.
That's why it's called a rumor.
Widespread rumors about reinstating the draft and the upcoming presidential election are completely unrelated phenomena, I guess.
"Officials are finding the rumors difficult to quash."
Because it is true. "Officials" like Rangel are.
They are creating a "wedge issue" to get a knee-jerk response from their base, and it's working.
It's based on ignorance. We had force levels twice the size as now in the 80's and 90's without a draft.
Good way for the liberals to stir up the troops. It's a variant on stock traders who plant false negative rumors so a stock they are short will fall. Unfortunately, it is a tactic that people who don't follow politics or the news can easily fall for.
Can we draft Michael Moore first?
Rangel doesn't want the draft, no democrat REALLY does. What they want to do is to plant the idea, the rumour, that a draft is coming soon.. Well, which party do you want in power in case of a draft? Democrats, the party of wusses, OF COURSE.
Folks, this is NOT an accident. Someone pass me a pack of gum, I am gonna need the foil wrapping..
Well, if the intention is for Kerry to capture the brain-dead, credulous 22-year-old moron vote, he's wasting his time. He already has it.
"Notwithstanding recent stories in the news media and on the Internet, Selective Service is not getting ready to conduct a draft for the U.S. Armed Forces -- either with a special skills or regular draft. Rather, the Agency remains prepared to manage a draft if and when the President and the Congress so direct. This responsibility has been ongoing since 1980 and is nothing new. Further, both the President and the Secretary of Defense have stated on more than one occasion that there is no need for a draft for the War on Terrorism or any likely contingency, such as Iraq. Additionally, the Congress has not acted on any proposed legislation to reinstate a draft. Therefore, Selective Service continues to refine its plans to be prepared as is required by law, and to register young men who are ages 18 through 25."
I kinda like your proposal!
Canada here I come.
I beleive the women in the draft bill will mostly be trained medial support personnel.
Our whole military is becomming elite units of very agressive volunteer fighters supported by highly trained volunteer technicians.
There is no room for cannon fodder in that scenario.
So9
I like that idea. Have you thought about writing up an official-sounding bill like that, and letting it fall into the wrong hands? ;0)
Of course the thought is assinine, as are those who foster it. My daughter had to wait nearly 8 mos for a training position to open up, and even then didn't get the MOS she wanted and qualified for becasue no slots were unfilled. She graduated BCT at Ft Leonard Wood last week and it was one of the most inspiring things I have seen. I have never seen so many admirable young Americans in one place in my life. All volunteers, all motivated. all pround to be Americans. The whole issue of the draft is insulting to them.
The same type of email tells people to not buy gas for a day to get back and Exxon Mobil, and that Ollie North got his security fence because of Osama Bin Laden, and Microsoft is going to send money to everyone and...
I think if they were going to reinstate the draft, a lot of people would come forward and sign up. My husband would. They don't want him right now because he is the providor of the family and with a wife and 3 boys, they don't pay enough (told him that)
They wanted to know if we would sign 2 boys over to family members though. Then they would take him. LOL. He respectfully declined, but we would do it if asked by our country in need.
Anyway, I also know some retirees who have said they would be glad to go back in in support roles also.
I heard this from others with sons as well.
Pathetic to say the least. And we live in NJ where the impact was great and in both cases the families were impacted by the attacks.
Makes me so grateful to our volunteers.
An extra prayer for your daughter!
Hell, most humans are pretty useless from the age of 17 until about 25 anyway, so why not get 'em all marching in a straight line with rifles? Give 'em something to do so they won't have so much time to sit around, whine, and irritate the rest of us by dressing up in silly winged costumes and protesting our involvment in a country most of them can't even find on a map.
That, or we could actually try to retain quality teachers in public schools so that the nation's moron quotient will be significantly reduced thereby eliminating the need for a draft . . .
This is very similar to the kind of agitprop the Gore campaign was putting out in the inner cities saying that Bush was going to repeal the civil rights laws, flyers with the fak pictures of Bush holding a Confederate flag, etc. It sucks that people are so gullible and that liberals are so underhanded as to take advantage of it with these underground rumor campaigns. But they have proven that it works.
Really. The only reason the left introduced the bills to reinstate the draft, and encourages the rumours of a draft in the off, is to stir up opposition to the War on Terror. They remember how the draft was the major spur to opposition to the Vietnam War -- boomers who were too precious in their own eyes and their parents' eyes to defend their country or fight for liberty went out and voted against the war in droves.
He saw the attack on America as a chance that he might have to go to war to defend our country. Illogical but then lots of boomers kids' are hopelessly selfish.
Hello, anybody home?...special delivery!
Oh no!
Registered mail, you're gonna hafta sign fer this, buddy
Oh no!
Cmon, I know youre in there
Oh no!
(weep, weep, weep)
I don't wanna get drafted
I don't wanna go
I don't wanna get drafted
(weep)
I don't wanna get drafted
I don't wanna go
I don't wanna get drafted
No-oh-woh-oh-woh...
Roller skates 'n disco
Is a lot of fun
I'm too young 'n stupid
To operate a gun
I don't wanna get drafted
I don't wanna get drafted
I don't wanna get drafted
I don't wanna get drafted
My-y-y sister don't wanna get drafted
She don't wanna go
My sister don't wanna get drafted
My-y-y sister don't wanna get drafted
She don't wanna go
My sister don't wanna get drafted
No-oh-woh-oh-woh...
Wars are really ugly
They're dirty and they're cold
I don't want nobody
To shoot her in the fox hole, fox hole
I don't wanna get drafted
I don't wanna get drafted
I don't wanna get drafted
I don't wanna get drafted
Wars are really ugly
They're dirty and they're cold
I don't want nobody
To shoot me in the fox hole, fox hole
Aiieeeeeeeee...shot in the fox hole
Shot in the fox hole, shot in the fox hole
Shot in the fox hole, shot in the fox hole
Aiieeeeeeeee...shot in the fox hole
Shot in the fox hole, shot in the fox hole
Shot in the fox hole, shot in the fox hole
Aiieeeeeeeee...shot in the fox hole
Shot in the fox hole, shot in the fox hole
Shot in the fox hole, shot in the fox hole
Aiieeeeeeeee...shot in the fox hole
Shot in the fox hole, shot in the fox hole
Shot in the fox hole, shot in the fox hole
There will be no draft. PERIOD!
I know the Marine Corps doesn't want draftees and I am sure the same applies for the other branches of the armed services too.
Semper Fi,
Kelly
One more example of leftist media reporting.
If this were a Dem pres, the press would be reporting that a Republican in congress brought it up to hurt the Dem pres politically.
Funny how the Leftists conveniently overlook that it was their beloved JIMMY CARTER who reinstated peacetime registration for the draft.
And now these same Leftists are spewing rumors that the draft is coming back so they can put GWB in a bad light.
And the Leftist media is, naturally, gobbling it up like manna from heaven.
Comrade! You are saying is Red Star "leftist media," yes?
I heard Ronald Wilson Reagan say in a campaign speech in 1980 in Canton, Ohio (right before the convention) that he believed the Selective Service System should be abolished and the name-collecting should end.
In order to combat the Rangels of the world, Dubya should immediately propose to abolish the Selective Service System, purge the names, and stop requiring registration.
The justification at the time the name-collection began was that this would save several WEEKS of delay, should the draft ever be needed. These WEEKS, it was chaged, would be critical for our military.
That's clearly NOT the case now. It's a waste of time and utterly useless. Nobody can construct a scenario where we need to deploy mass armies in a very short period of time -- not in today's world. Let's end this nonsense -- If Dubya proposed this and it came to a vote in the Congress, that would put the 'Rats in a terrible position!! Kerry might even lose it and claim we might need a draft!! How funny would THAT be?
I heard this is true if Kerry gets elected..........:o)
Michael Moore came up with the idea I'm told.
Stay safe !
I expect a draft if Frenchketchup is elected. He will pull back from this war and from domestic security and there will be a series of 911s until he responds. Then it will be from a severely diminished position. After a major military defeat or two there will be a spasm of desperation measures that will include a major draft that will be SNAFU from the outset because it will be required to put 50% women in combat. All of this will lead maybe to nukes as everything seems to be failing.
Yes it WAS Jimmy Carter! I was born in 1959 and fell between the Vietnam Draft and the Jimmy Selective Service. It was a 'Rat President and the 'Rat Congress that did this, and it was Ronald Reagan who spoke about ending it. Let's end this now!!
They are filling all the spots on the local draft boards, because a lot of the people applied 20 years ago, and I am sure there was no effort on the Clintoon administration to keep the boards full.
I applied online and two people wrote back, one from the Navy and one from the Air Force. I filled out the paperwork about three months ago and haven't heard back.
I am always amazed that so few young men have any spirit of adventure any more. I enlisted in 66 after I knew I was safe from the draft and I went in to go to Viet Nam because that's where things were happening.
You kidding me? That communist rag makes Pravda look conservative by comparison!
Democrats want a draft so bad they dream it and taste it. They think they can gin up draft riots and 1968 all over again and have themselves a Revolution.
North Korean invasion of South Korea? Chinese invasion of Tawain? New York incursion by the Quebecois?
>>>Nobody can construct a scenario where we need to deploy mass armies in a very short period of time -- not in today's world.
I just didn't get how going out on the ocean would save him. Did he plan to LIVE out there? People should understand that with citizenship comes responsibilities and that one of them is to defend the nation against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Therefore, letting politics end at the waters' edge isn't just a good idea, it's the LAW. And treason includes giving aid and comfort to the nations' enemies, and that includes encouraging them to believe we'll give up if they just fight a little harder and a little longer.
No logic at all. Just utter stupidity and this young man was not alone. Do you ever listen to CSPAN and the idiots that call in saying they don't want their son, grandson, etc.to go to war.
The left is terrified of the military and we can't win no matter how we slice it. The draft used to be unfair because more "poor" kids than "rich" kids served. Now, supposedly, the military is the only option for "poor" kids, so they are serving in disproportionate numbers. Ignore, for the time being, that if we replace the "poor" kids with "rich" draftees, the "poor" kids will, theoretically, starve to death...
Most of our brave volunteers do not enlist for the adventure. They come from families where service to one's country was part of life.
Ha Ha. I was born in 1959 too. The renewed registration started on July 1st and I was born a month too early. Most of my friends had to register. It was just another one of Carter's empty actions to try to convince the world that he would really act in the nations' interest as CinC if necessary. I think the rest of the world (read Soviet Union) saw through that little travesty easily enough. I could never figure out why Iran wanted him out, though. Pretty stupid, he was the best friend the Islamists ever had. Nobody ever accused them of being overly intelligent though, and I suppose all the ones that knew anything about the US were the ones who had been on the side of the Shah.
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