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Lesbians Seek Country Club Privileges
AP ^ | 6-25-04 | MICHELLE MORGANTE

Posted on 06/25/2004 4:51:21 PM PDT by Indy Pendance

SAN DIEGO (AP) -- B. Birgit Koebke golfs alone because no one at her country club will play with her. She hits the links late in the day to avoid running into hostile club members. If a group of golfers happens to be ahead of her, they don't let her play through.

"I just sit there and wait," she says. "They've made it impossible for me to enjoy the club."

Koebke, a 47-year-old television sales executive, is a longtime member of the Bernardo Heights Country Club. She is also lesbian, and her extended drive to win club golfing privileges for her partner of 12 years, Kendall French, has turned other members against her.

Koebke hopes the California Supreme Court will rule that the state's civil rights laws require the club to offer French, her state-registered domestic partner, the same benefits afforded to spouses.

Bernardo Heights maintains that state law allows it to limit such privileges to married couples.

John Shiner, the club's attorney, says the club simply wishes "to make a distinction between those who are legally married and those who are not married." The club's position, he says, "has absolutely nothing to do with sexual orientation."

Koebke joined Bernardo Heights in 1986 and began inviting French to golf there in the early '90s. A member's spouse or children may golf for free, but guests must pay a $70 fee and can play only six times a year.

"She's not my guest," Koebke says. "She's part of my family."

Koebke suggested several compromises, such as creating a "significant others" category. The club's board of directors rejected the idea.

The club suggested French buy her own membership (current price: $9,500) - an invitation she finds insulting.

"Tell me," French says, "how many of the other members are willing to pay double for their household?"

In 2001, Koebke sued. A judge dismissed the case in 2002. But last March, an appeals court partially overturned the ruling, ordering the trial court to consider evidence the club treated some unmarried heterosexual couples as spouses.

(The club denies it has knowingly done that. It says that if such a thing happened, it was because the club was misled or did not know the couple was unmarried.)

Earlier this month, the state Supreme Court agreed to hear the larger question of whether Koebke has a case under California's civil rights law. No date has been set for the arguments.

Several club members declined to discuss the case. The club counsel sent a letter to members in 2001 asking them not to comment publicly.

Nationwide, country clubs are divided over how to treat same-sex and unmarried couples, with about a third offering at least some benefits, according to Andrew Fortin, spokesman for the National Club Association, a Washington trade group of about 1,000 organizations.

Many, he says, are waiting to see what happens with Koebke's case.

A similar conflict has unfolded in Atlanta, where the city Human Relations Commission ruled in January that the Druid Hills Golf Club violated the city's anti-discrimination ordinance by refusing spousal benefits to two gays couples.

At Bernardo Heights, Judy Stillman says she and her husband enjoyed golfing with Koebke when they joined about three years ago, not knowing about the conflict.

But after their first game, she says, "quite a few people told us that if we ever played golf with her again, we wouldn't have a friend in the club."

"My answer to that was we wouldn't want to consider having them as friends anyway," she says. She and her husband quit the club.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: fourthamendment; homosexualagenda
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1 posted on 06/25/2004 4:51:21 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

Why can't she and the other Berber munchers start their own clubs?


2 posted on 06/25/2004 4:52:44 PM PDT by ServesURight
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To: Indy Pendance

If you don't like the rules, don't join.


3 posted on 06/25/2004 4:54:30 PM PDT by bannie (Liberal Media: The Most Dangerous Enemies to America and Freedom)
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To: Indy Pendance

"French, her state-registered domestic partner"

sounds like a damned dog!

What the hell is this "state-registered domestic partner" garbage?


4 posted on 06/25/2004 4:57:06 PM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: Indy Pendance
"The club suggested French buy her own membership (current price: $9,500) - "

People actually pay to chase balls they have to throw themselves? Strange. Or is that what you bring your wife for--to chase your balls?

5 posted on 06/25/2004 5:00:51 PM PDT by bayourod (Can the 9/11 Commission connect the dots on Iraq or do they require a 3-D picture?)
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To: Indy Pendance
The club suggested French buy her own membership (current price: $9,500)

Inexpensive club. No wonder they have this little problem. Jack up the price to $35K and no more problems.

/john

6 posted on 06/25/2004 5:01:59 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (But what do I know, I'm just a cook. No disguta conmigo!)
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To: Indy Pendance

Someone mentioned on another thread that this woman works for a TV station and is somewhat of an activist.

She's free to form her own private country club.


BTW... Thanks for posting those lyrics on your page.
It's the last song on the "We Were Soldiers" CD and I play it all the time while driving.

Heard about it on a Reagan thread and bought it that same day.

Very sobering.


7 posted on 06/25/2004 5:03:06 PM PDT by b9 ("Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm" Emerson)
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To: Indy Pendance
I love my brother, but he would have to pay the same fee as I.
8 posted on 06/25/2004 5:05:57 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: Indy Pendance
"My answer to that was we wouldn't want to consider having them as friends anyway," she says. She and her husband quit the club.

YAAAWWWWNNN! The feigned outrage is becoming...BORING, and not believable, as if it ever was.

9 posted on 06/25/2004 5:06:44 PM PDT by X-FID ( The police aren't in the streets to create disorder; they are in the streets to preserve disorder.)
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hmmm.... French, wow, her name and.. umm.. sexual preference.. remind me of the nation that really has lead the way in our world's Cultural Revelation that being gay really is ok...


10 posted on 06/25/2004 5:08:45 PM PDT by Savage219
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To: doodlelady
She's free to form her own private country club.

Freedom of Association is pretty much dead. You MUST associate, even in privacy, with those with whom you disagree. You MUST accept all deviancy as "normal."

Next up, what political party you MUST endorse and for whom you MUST vote.

11 posted on 06/25/2004 5:09:52 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (I want to die in my sleep like Gramps -- not yelling and screaming like those in his car)
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To: Indy Pendance
an appeals court partially overturned the ruling, ordering the trial court to consider evidence the club treated some unmarried heterosexual couples as spouses.

If this is true, she has a good case.

12 posted on 06/25/2004 5:09:57 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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To: Indy Pendance

Prove it......


13 posted on 06/25/2004 5:15:12 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: All

There was a case here in Shreveport, La. involving a private club called Southern Trace. They had a snack bar adjacent to the men's locker room. Women could not access it since they would be in view of naked men. They sued for sexual descrimination. The club argued that they could not remodel to create a snack bar adjacent to the women's locker room because there were not enough women members to make it profitable. There was already a full restaurant available to both sexes.

The women won the lawsuit. The women were all lesbians. This was obviously not mentioned in the media but I know them personally.


14 posted on 06/25/2004 5:16:01 PM PDT by Deb8
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To: Indy Pendance
Whine and snivel boo hoo
15 posted on 06/25/2004 5:23:05 PM PDT by bikerman
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To: Indy Pendance

Could a private club make a rule barring homosexuals from membership? The Boy Scouts seem to have set that precedent for right of association. I don't know if there's a legal difference between a club and an organization.


16 posted on 06/25/2004 5:24:12 PM PDT by searchandrecovery (Socialist America - diseased and dysfunctional.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

I can see it now. Rainbow tees. ;)


17 posted on 06/25/2004 5:32:08 PM PDT by Balata
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To: Indy Pendance
Why does she feel the need to join a country club when she's already dining at the Y?

Maybe she's into divots or something.

18 posted on 06/25/2004 5:35:10 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Indy Pendance
the larger question of whether Koebke has a case under California's civil rights law.

THis all goes back to Brown vs. Board. When the Supreme Court fallaciously ruled that separate is inherently unequal, and deprived citizens of the right to free association, they in essence ruled that the state becomes the arbiter of interpersonal relationships, not individuals. That opened the door to just these kinds of actions: forcing people to rub elbows with people they despise, simply because doing so makes some liberal feel all oogy-squishy.

19 posted on 06/25/2004 5:35:48 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Indy Pendance

Golf. Dumb game, play it long enough and it'll turn anyone into a liar.


20 posted on 06/25/2004 5:53:31 PM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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