Bush a right-winger? No way [Mulshine]

Newark Star Ledger ^ | 6/27/04 | Paul Mulshine

[qam1]

So, is Moonshine a Leftie who is trying to agitate the heck out of the Far-Right-Wing-Nuts? Or, is he a Far-Right-Wing-Nut himself?

Oh he is a leftie all right, He pulled the same crap by claiming Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity aren't real Conservatives either

The Red Star Ledger for which he writes is so far to left it makes the NYSlimes look like the National Review. He is the only so called "Conservative" writer for it which is to say they have none. You can tell he is a leftie pretending to be a conservative by his writings, especially by the fact in his writings he always goes out of his way to call himself "a right winger" or "True conservative" over and over again.

[Happy2BMe]

pinging . .

[stljoe71]

And I stand by that he is a left wing extremist and I enumerated quite a few examples of why.

I was simply stating in general terms what I want from the republican party. It is amazing that I ask for so little and they can't even deliver that. Bush not only hasn't delivered that modest request he has gone off his rocker in the other direction.

[HorsePlayer]

"Bush is a double-crossing liberal pantywaist," Smith observes. "The liberal Bush family destroyed all the good that Goldwater and Reagan had done."

Horse poop!

I come not to tell you that George W. Bush is the new Ronald Reagan, for he is not. He is the current George W. Bush, which just happens to be the closest thing to a new Ronald Reagan we will see in our lifetime.

Further, the only nuke (referring to another part of this piece of tripe) I would want to ever see in action again is Don Newcomb. That Newc could flat pitch and hit.

OBTW, I'm a baseball fan.

[stljoe71]

Actually none of that was my message.

My observation is simply that he is a left wing extremist. Is he a Republican? He is growing to be a pretty typical Republican.

To suggest I can't criticize him because he is my enemy is a bit absurd. It implies that as soon as you find something worthy of criticism someone becomes your enemy and as a result that criticism immediately becomes invalid. That is rather bizarre.

The uniform issue is an analogy pointing out that we root for players based on the uniform they are wearing with no more depth of purpose or meaning behind that allegience. I believe the vast majority of republicans root for republicans for the very same reason.

[LowCountryJoe]

So...where are you Willie? This is your kind of piece...of dung!

[Southack]

"And I stand by that he is a left wing extremist and I enumerated quite a few examples of why..."

Your examples all boiled down to Bush spending too much money, and you clearly don't understand what "left wing extremist" means.

Left wing extemists don't sign bills that ban abortions. Bush did.

Left wing extemists don't reject the International Criminal Court. Bush did.

Left wing extemists don't cut income taxes twice. Bush did.

Left wing extemists don't build our national missile defenses. Bush is.

Left wing extemists don't reject the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty. Bush did.

Left wing extemists don't nominate strong, conservative Judges such as Pryor and Pickering to the top federal courts. Bush has.

Left wing extemists don't invade Iraq even when their treasured UN fails to OK it. Bush did.

Left wing extemists don't call for a Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriages. Bush has.

Left wing extemists don't increase American sanctions against Cuba. Bush has.

Left wing extemists don't build a 15 foot high steel fence along our Southern border from the Pacific into Arizona to curb illegal immigration. Bush did.

Frankly, your posts are good for little more than humor value...as you clearly don't understand what you are saying when you spout off about Bush somehow being a "left wing extremist," as refuted above.

[dwills]

wake up!

the broad consensus required to wield power in a Republic that respects Freedom means that the best we can hope for from the GOP is for it stem the the human tide toward totalitarian social management

those who fancy yourselves to be better dictators than those you spew againt are particularly out of place in the GOP & FR

[stljoe71]

If you think my complaints boil down to strictly spending you have a literacy problem. Let me review

Among the examples I cited

Signing campaign finance reform is a left wing extremist action

Forcing local communities to spend ridiculous sums on reducing arsinic levels when those communities do not want to is a left wing extremist action.

Creating an Iraqi constitution that guarantees a right to healthcare and affirmative action in political representation is a left wing extremist action.

I fail to find it compelling that he was willing to invade Iraq without a UN resolution. Clinton didn't even bother trying getting a resolution for Kosovo which would imply bush is to the left of clinton on that front.

Ooooh he rejected Kyoto. Boy that was a brave stand given the senate shot it down 96 to nothing. Given that a bunch of those senators include people even you might consider left wing extremist thats hardly a badge of conservatism.

Bush is now capitulating on the ICC or maybe you missed that one.

Great he built a fence. He is also actively pushing amnesty for illegal immigrants (another example of left wing extremism I didn't get to).

Your arguments boil down to he built a fence and is against abortion and gay marriage therefore he is conservative.

I fail to be impressed by a couple of meaningless statements regarding gay marriage or his willingness to spend on the military. FDR spent on the military as well.

Personally I think the prescription drug bill is the classic example of left wing extremism. This is a guy facing budget deficits in the hundreds of billions created primarily by entitlement programs and he decides that he is going to create yet another enormous program all the while increasing other programs across the board.

I would classify your posts as humorous but frankly even as humor they are more sad than funny.

[Southack]

Here's what you can't do:

You can't name 3 right wing Presidents, 3 left wing Presidents, and then show where and why Bush fits in.

And though you'll no doubt claim that you don't have the time, aren't interested, are bored, or some other lame excuse, the real truth is that you can't show where President Bush fits in with other Presidents without exposing your own "left wing extremist" claim as being the outright fraud that it is.

[stljoe71]

I suppose I can do one anyway but yes I don't want to spend an hour writing a 5 page essay on presidential history. BTW feel free to write the essay you called for.

Lets take FDR as our example.

FDR's answer to the depression was Job programs (as is in part bush's)

The creation of unemployment insurance. Since bush couldnt create a program that already existed he simply expanded benefits.

FDR created several new entitlement programs Bush created a prescription drug benefit

FDR presided over an attack on US soil that could have been avoided had the government he was running been remotely competent. Bush : DITTO

Roosevelt created the SEC to crack down on those "business crooks" Bush signed Sarbanes Oxley which expanded significantly on that regulation and is quietly driving small cap public companies out of the publically traded market due to the onerous costs it creates.

FDR created the Home Owners Loan Corporation to help people refinance mortgages. Bush went a step further and just handed them downpayments.

That is just a sampling of course. Most of what Bush has done has been to expand on what FDR started. On the negative side he has taken it many steps further than FDR might have dreamed it would go.

In his defense he did cut taxes while FDR raised them.

He also wasn't pals with Joseph Stalin. I guess you could say he is pals with Putin but Putin doesn't quite go to Stalins level.

He also doesn't have to my knowledge the hard core communists like Rex Tugwell in his administration.

Placing him in context with FDR I would say you would have to place him just a slim shade to the right of FDR.

[driftless]

If you think he's a left-wing extremist, why don't you post on Dem Underground with that proposition. Simply put you can't be serious, and your "examples" don't prove anything. You're like a lot of fanatics who have their pet causes and list of important political projects. If the incumbent doesn't meet each and every one of them, he is an EXTREMIST LIBERAL!!! and must be condemned!!! Number one all presidents, even Reagan, must at times give in to the opponents programs to get theirs across. Number two all presidents make mistakes. But their positives must be weighed against their negatives. The president must be assessed by the general not the particular. You are obviously quite unable to see the whole picture.

[Finalapproach29er]

"Bush is a double-crossing liberal pantywaist," Smith observes. "The liberal Bush family destroyed all the good that Goldwater and Reagan had done."
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I agree. I wish we could dump him this fall for a real Conservative.

[Southack]

"Placing him in context with FDR I would say you would have to place him just a slim shade to the right of FDR."

So FDR banned gold from private ownership and socialized the entire U.S. retail economy with WW2 ration stamps, yet that only makes him a little to the Left of President Bush in your worldview?!

What about Nixon, who gave us the EPA, Affirmative Action, opened up China, and pulled us out of Vietnam...is Nixon to the Left of President Bush in your worldview?!

And in your warped world, who is to the Right of President Bush? Perhaps Reagan, who *gave* (not proposed, but gave) amnesty to millions of illegals, signed at least one major tax increase, and told the U.S. Supreme Court that President Carter's view of the 2nd Amendment protecting only *collective* rights was correct?! Do you even know that President Bush ordered Solicitor General Ted Olsen to inform the U.S. Supreme Court that the 2nd Amendment protects *individual*, rather than collective rights of gun owners??

In your world, was President Reagan to the Right of President Bush?

Or let me make this easier on you...can you even name any President in the last 150 years who you claim is to the Right of your so-called "left-wing extremist" President Bush?!

[Southack]

"Your arguments boil down to he built a fence and is against abortion and gay marriage therefore he is conservative."

You think that Chomsky and Nader and Kucinich would call that liberal?!

[NYCVirago]

Mulshine is a real jerk. I wrote him a note a few months ago arguing with one of his screeds, and he sent me an extremely nasty note back -- so nasty that his editor apologized when I complained to him! His editor said that sometimes Mulshine thinks he's channeling the ghost of H.L. Mencken, and the editor has asking him repeatedly to confine his snippiness to the columns, and not at the readers.

[NYCVirago]

Oh he is a leftie all right, He pulled the same crap by claiming Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity aren't real Conservatives either The Red Star Ledger for which he writes is so far to left it makes the NYSlimes look like the National Review. He is the only so called "Conservative" writer for it which is to say they have none.

Yep. And, in his mind, anti-smoking laws are the height of conservatism. For all his posturing about being a right-winger, he was on the side of Mayor Bloomberg telling bars how to run their businesses.

[SunStar]

If you doubt that, imagine for a second that Al Gore had been elected president. Imagine he had retained Bill Clinton's CIA director and, based on faulty intelligence, gotten the United States involved in a costly and apparently endless war in Iraq. And imagine that Gore said he was doing it for the good of the Iraqi people, that he felt we Americans had a duty to spend tens of billions helping these poor foreigners.

This guy forgot to include a small event known as 9/11.