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GOP chief, Ed Gillespie, warns of potential for vote fraud in battleground states
Kansas City (Missouri) Star: you must be registered, but it's free ^ | Tue, Jun. 29, 2004 | STEVE KRASKE

Posted on 06/29/2004 9:31:12 AM PDT by rface

The chairman of the Republican National Committee on Monday called for a bipartisan effort to safeguard polling locations in Missouri and other presidential battleground states against voter fraud.

But a group helping Democrat John Kerry's campaign called the proposal as a “very cynical attempt” to suppress black voter turnout in the state by undermining groups that are working to increase black registration.

While visiting Kansas City, Republican Party Chairman Ed Gillespie cited allegations that groups such as America Coming Together were turning in inaccurate voter registration forms and using convicted felons to go door to door. A spokeswoman for the group called both accusations insignificant.

Gillespie said the allegations underscored the potential for fraud as a “legitimate concern in the upcoming elections.” He outlined a “transparent bipartisan solution” that would involve listing, with Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe, precincts in presidential battleground states where problems might surface.

The two parties would assign volunteers to observe each precinct in addition to the already assigned voting judges from both parties. Members of the news media could stand alongside the teams to watch the voting unfold.

The added safeguard would help assure fair elections, Gillespie said. He distributed a June 15 letter he had sent to McAuliffe outlining his plan, but a Democratic Party spokesman said he could not confirm that McAuliffe had received it.

“I can certainly assure you that if there is a political party in this country committed to ensuring that every vote be counted…it's the Democratic Party,” spokesman Jano Cabrera said.

Sara Howard, a spokeswoman for America Coming Together, defended the voter registration efforts, saying less than 2 percent of the forms submitted had been rejected by a St. Louis election board.

Howard said about a dozen of the group's canvassers in Missouri had felony convictions out of the nearly 100 working for the group. She said none had been convicted of a violent crime, and they pose no threat to the public. The group has begun screening its employees.

“It's pretty clear they are trying to raise questions about the validity of our organization,” Howard said of the Republicans.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Missouri; US: North Dakota; US: Ohio; US: Pennsylvania; US: West Virginia; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: battleground; fraud; rnc; swingstates; votefraud
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I am not sure what all the battleground states are, but Missouri is one of them
1 posted on 06/29/2004 9:31:12 AM PDT by rface
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To: rface

Vote fraud is the life blood of democrats electoral victories. Without it they would be a minor player in congress.


2 posted on 06/29/2004 9:33:38 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: rface

And, I'm sure Michael Moore is the only lib/dem registered in two states.....


3 posted on 06/29/2004 9:34:26 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: rface

St. Louis is a place where this election could very well be stolen. We need poll watchers in every one of those precincts.


4 posted on 06/29/2004 9:34:40 AM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: rface

Okay look. We know the Democrats are going to once again attempt massive vote fraud. They have done it every single election in memory.

What, if anything, is the GOP going to do to put a stop to it this year? It already cost a Senate seat (SD) and caused the Florida fiasco, among other damage. Every year the GOP complains, at varying volume, but never seems to actually do anything about it.

So, what's the plan, guys?


5 posted on 06/29/2004 9:34:48 AM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: rface
The chairman of the Republican National Committee on Monday called for a bipartisan effort to safeguard polling locations in Missouri and other presidential battleground states against voter fraud.

Is this a joke?

The RATS are orgasnizing the fraud for pete's sake!

Ed better deploy lots of Rep lawyers, we know how far the RATS will go, they're demonstrating that every day.

6 posted on 06/29/2004 9:36:18 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Part of the Reagan legacy is to re-elect G.W. Bush))
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To: rface
“I can certainly assure you that if there is a political party in this country committed to ensuring that every vote be counted…it's the Democratic Party,” spokesman Jano Cabrera said.

Unless those votes are cast by members of the US Military.

Or a recount in Vt. where counting ALL cast ballots would have reversed the election outcome. I believe it was VT. May have been NH. In 2002 there was a close election and the democrats fought tooth and nail to have a large number of ballots disqualified for minor reasons such as the use of a red pen instead of a black pen. They succeeded in court. Someone please find the articles and FR posts on this matter and post them here. Thanks!

7 posted on 06/29/2004 9:36:29 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: rface

...spokeswoman for the group called both accusations insignificant.

Not incorrect, just insignificant. IOW, move along - nothing to see here.


8 posted on 06/29/2004 9:36:36 AM PDT by Ogie Oglethorpe (The people have spoken...the b*stards!)
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To: rface
She said none had been convicted of a violent crime, and they pose no threat to the public.

Other than the convicted sex offenders that is I guess.

9 posted on 06/29/2004 9:37:21 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: thoughtomator
Every year the GOP complains, at varying volume, but never seems to actually do anything about it.

The GOP is too weak kneed and caves as soon as racial accusations are thrown around, or fail to even say anything because they know racial accusations will be leveled.

10 posted on 06/29/2004 9:38:42 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: thoughtomator
Every year the GOP complains, at varying volume, but never seems to actually do anything about it.

And they'll do the same this year. They'll whine a bit, the Democrats will scream RACISM! and the GOP will slink away.

MM

11 posted on 06/29/2004 9:38:52 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: rface
“I can certainly assure you that if there is a political party in this country committed to ensuring that every vote be counted…it's the Democratic Party,”

no doubt "..." replaced the words "four or five times"

12 posted on 06/29/2004 9:38:57 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Thank you Mr. Vice President. You speak for ALL of us.)
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To: rface

This is not news, it is just a reminder.

Without vote fraud, these would not even be battleground states. The long-standing abuse of the local election laws is the only thing that makes the Democrats competitive at the ballot box.

And the most-abused voters? The residents of "minority" wards, who have much of their voting done for them.


13 posted on 06/29/2004 9:39:49 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: Phantom Lord

Vote fraud is the life blood of democrats electoral victories.

Vote fraud and getting the ignorant and uninformed to vote.  That's one of the reasons for Motor Voter and MTV's Rock the Vote.  If you can get people into the polls who base their decision on what Jay Leno told them or what Madonna said in People Magazine, that can give you that little boost to stay competitive.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

14 posted on 06/29/2004 9:40:17 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (Meat, it's what you're made of.)
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To: comebacknewt

I have no doubt that over 1,000,000 votes per Presidential election year....are a fraud....for either party. I had a friend tell me about a relative who went out and requested a absentee ballot for his old aunt. The old lady is in a nursing home and is completely wacko...not capable of understanding anything. Yet this character gets a absentee ballot for her and gets her fixed to vote Republican. This is fraud no matter how you look at. At least 2,000,000 Americans ought not be voting because they are mentally incapble of understanding anything....and we aren't even doing anything about that problem.


15 posted on 06/29/2004 9:43:48 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: rface

Where vote fraud may take place: Philadelphia, PA ; Broward & Duval counties, FL; NJ to name a few.


16 posted on 06/29/2004 9:44:16 AM PDT by demlosers
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To: All

This is why Republicans must make sure that we have poll watchers at every precinct or at the very least, ones where the Rats will do their best to commit fraud.


17 posted on 06/29/2004 9:45:49 AM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: demlosers
Where vote fraud may take place: Philadelphia, PA ; Broward & Duval counties, FL; NJ to name a few.

Don't forget the voter fraud capital of the U.S. The cemeteries of Chicago, Illinois.

18 posted on 06/29/2004 9:46:59 AM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: demlosers

Vote fraud in Philly? You have to be kidding. The residents of Philly are so patriotic and eager to exercise their right to vote that they turn out in greater than 100% of registered voters.


19 posted on 06/29/2004 9:51:04 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: rface
This is a pile of crap big enough to see from outer space. You have to know that Election Day 2004 is going to be total chaos, with more judges rolling out of bed and bar stools than any other day in history. Polls will be open until---not when the law says, but when the judge says. Votes will be counted not according to what the law says but what the local magistrate says; and recounted when the judge above him says the ruling was flawed. Even a landslide for Bush won't prevent Democrats from disputing results in thousands of precincts. (Then when certifying the results becomes utterly impossible, they'll say that once again he is "selected" and illegitimate.)

And the media---in 2000 they were still capable of the obvious blunder of predicting before polls closed. Want to bet they haven't learned? This time around they'll be more brazen, and more selective in reporting every accusation of irregularity.

We're in deep trouble.

20 posted on 06/29/2004 9:52:48 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: MississippiMan
They'll whine a bit, the Democrats will scream RACISM! and the GOP will slink away

Since the "minority" vote for Republicans is so miniscule, who cares if they scream racism? Will that convince swing voters to go RAT?

Get out the video camera and follow the union bus from polling place to polling place. Document how (or if) ID checks are handled. Read and heed my tag line!

21 posted on 06/29/2004 10:01:33 AM PDT by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: JimRed
Document how (or if) ID checks are handled.

Thats if it is even legal to ask for ID. In NC it is ILLEGAL to ask for an ID. Intimidates minorities don't you know.

22 posted on 06/29/2004 10:02:51 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Graymatter

First off, everyone stop it. You are assuming that the race is going to be as tight as it was in 2000.

This race is going to be a Reagan/Mondale. There are not enough people in this country to commit the voter fraud of the magnitude the RATS are hoping to achieve.

If the RATS break out the attorneys and start the crap they started in 2000 and they lose, Hillary's chances will fade. Gillespie, Rove & co are setting the RATS up for a fall big time. The RATS saying no to monitoring is a knock on Kerry and will be exploited. Gillespie wanted them to say no so that he can say, "see, they want it like Florida again."

It will not even get to this. Bush is winning 45 states.


23 posted on 06/29/2004 10:04:58 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Hitler? Stalin? The left has a tough decision as to who they would rather emulate.)
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To: rface
"Bi-partisan" = Democratic obstruction of legal Republican initiatives.

"Cynical and Racist" = Republican obstruction of illegal Democratic initiatives.

Obviously, the Republican plan is not truly bi-partisan. It doesn't meet the definition!
24 posted on 06/29/2004 10:06:00 AM PDT by Gorjus
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To: Phantom Lord
She said none had been convicted of a violent crime...

When a Demorat says he's a man of convictions, he means he's out on parole.

25 posted on 06/29/2004 10:12:20 AM PDT by talleyman (Never question the patriotism of Democrats - there's none to question)
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To: Phantom Lord

Exactly right. Voter fraud is mother's milk to RATS. And they go ballistic when called on it.


26 posted on 06/29/2004 10:17:35 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe

If republicans push this issue, Kerry will simply say Bush and company are racist. It's disgusting.


27 posted on 06/29/2004 10:18:58 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Phantom Lord
Vote fraud is the life blood of democrats electoral victories.

I absolutely agree, to the point that Bush won the popular vote in 2000.

28 posted on 06/29/2004 10:22:14 AM PDT by stevio
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To: rface

As I have been saying, there is no way that Bush can win in PA with Ed Rendell in the govenor's mansion. As mayor of Philadelphia, Rendell oversaw the over 100% voter turn out in some precincts, with a 90% Gore vote. Bush was ahead until late in the count when the remarkable numbers from these precincts were returned.

Phila hired a man to write the program for their touch screen machines that already served time in another state for voter fraud, and then sold the same machines to Montgomery County, which turned in similar pro-Gore votes.


29 posted on 06/29/2004 10:23:51 AM PDT by Eva
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To: hershey
If republicans push this issue, Kerry will simply say Bush and company are racist. It's disgusting.

The 'rats are going to play the race card regardless of whether the Pubbies call for poll watchers or not. I'd bet my life on it.

The GOP needs to do what they have to do to ensure a fair vote...period.

30 posted on 06/29/2004 10:29:29 AM PDT by AngryJawa (The Original Grumpy Gen-Xer)
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To: rface
It's almost gotten to the point that the only way to counter Democrat vote fraud is to get the Republican turnout to be so high as to cause the Democrat ballot stuffing to create unbelievable results, such as having precincts vote in numbers greater than registered voters, or at least in percents way out of line with the average turnout for the region.

-PJ

31 posted on 06/29/2004 10:34:44 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: Phantom Lord
In NC it is ILLEGAL to ask for an ID. Intimidates minorities don't you know.

That is insane! Why would a properly registered individual be intimidated by an ID check? Are we saying that minorities are more likely to lie about their identity? What a totally racist supposition!

Let me guess; a RAT legislature passed that one???

32 posted on 06/29/2004 10:35:59 AM PDT by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: stevio
I absolutely agree, to the point that Bush won the popular vote in 2000.

Agreed, by at least a half million.

33 posted on 06/29/2004 10:38:31 AM PDT by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I think this election will be almost as close as 2000. Ther simply aren't enough swing voters left in the country to produce a Reagan/Mondale landslide.


34 posted on 06/29/2004 10:40:50 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: rface

It would make me sick if the PA election is tipped by Philadelphia voter fraud.


35 posted on 06/29/2004 10:40:52 AM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: Phantom Lord
In PA, you don't have to produce an ID. They ask your name, you sign the voting stub, and the poll worker checks your name against the signature in file under your name.

Gee, that signature sure looks like "John Smith" to me, go on in.

36 posted on 06/29/2004 10:45:44 AM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: thoughtomator
I know that poll watching is covered in the volunteer trainings for GOTV.

If you live in a precinct that has problems, VOLUNTEER.

I live in a squeaky clean tiny rural township where we sign in and everyone is known to the poll workers. I do not know what the procedure will be or is in cases where the troubled precincts are wholly Dem.

Contact your County Chair or your state Republican Committee, ASAP.(Not just the poster, but EVERYONE concerned)
37 posted on 06/29/2004 10:49:06 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Proud Bush-Cheney04 volunteer)
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To: rface

“I can certainly assure you that if there is a political party in this country committed to ensuring that every (dead person's) vote be counted…(several times) it's the Democratic Party,” spokesman Jano Cabrera said


38 posted on 06/29/2004 10:50:40 AM PDT by adam_az (Call your State Republican Party office and VOLUNTEER!!!!)
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To: reformedliberal

Sadly I live in a place where there is no need whatsoever, nor any advantage to be gained, for Democrats to conduct vote fraud. I have been a poll observer here before and the operations appeared to be without irregularities.


39 posted on 06/29/2004 11:04:00 AM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: rface
The chairman of the Republican National Committee on Monday called for a bipartisan effort to safeguard polling locations in Missouri and other presidential battleground states against voter fraud.

Ferget about it, RNC. Democrat Party Operatives from Wisconsin to South Dakota to Florida to Illinois live to commit voter fraud. I am certain the groundwork is being laid right now to get the dead, the felonious, the pets and the mentally incompetent to vote in massive numbers for the party of Hitlery Clinton.

40 posted on 06/29/2004 11:04:55 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Zack Nguyen

"I think this election will be almost as close as 2000. Ther simply aren't enough swing voters left in the country to produce a Reagan/Mondale landslide."

On the contrary. I think with the polarization of the Democrat party into moderate and liberal, the moderates will come over to the Republicans ala the reagan Democrats.



41 posted on 06/29/2004 11:19:28 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Hitler? Stalin? The left has a tough decision as to who they would rather emulate.)
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To: rface

Tell me! I happily reside in one of the more honest counties in Texas, and I still personally know students at the local college who register at their parents' and also here. Democrat logo; vote early and often. Unfortunately, federal law under motor voter act makes it damned near impossible to prevent that vote. I have been a precinct election judge for 12 years, and this is an unending source of frustration. We do now have a "first time voter" rule, and we have simplified challenged voter rules, but legally, I am required to allow people I know personally to be unqualified to vote.


42 posted on 06/29/2004 11:20:42 AM PDT by barkeep
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To: rface

Come on, people, this is good stuff. The Rats surprised the GOP in 2000 with massive vote fraud. Fortunately, it did not cost Bush the election. Ed Gillespie is simply putting them on notice NOW that we won't be fooled again, and it won't take another Florida for our side to shine a light on their dirty doings. Gillespie is showing that the GOP knows what the rats are up to and the RNC is putting mechanisms of its own in place to stop the fraud and embarrass the crap out of Kerry and the Democrats on Election Day. I am tickled to death to be hearing about vote fraud this far out from November. I don't think Gillespie, and certainly not Marc Racicot (remember how hard he fought and beat the Gorons over the military votes in Florida??) are going to fold under a few cries of "racist" from the left. That dog won't hunt anymore.


43 posted on 06/29/2004 11:31:49 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Proud to be a Reagan Alumna!)
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To: Dems_R_Losers

Marc Racicot did not beat the Gorons over the absentee military vote because the ones that were thrown out were never counted. To this day those military votes have never been included in the vote total for Florida 2000. People SHOULD have gone to jail over that but instead the GOP continues to play kissy-face.


44 posted on 06/29/2004 11:39:55 AM PDT by Tailback
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To: rface

I and others reported internet socialists a-cheatin' in the last senator race in MN...can't quite remember what the deal was, but a group was soliciting students to live here for 30 days or whatever the minimum requirements was, then they'd all get bussed to the polls.


45 posted on 06/29/2004 11:40:39 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: rface

Just playing devil's advocate here..........

Is vote fraud, or tampering a criminal offense?

Have there been convictions?

Why is it assumed that only one party has, or will engage in vote manipulation?


46 posted on 06/29/2004 11:45:54 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...)
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To: thoughtomator

Don't forget we lost a Presidential race in 1960 and would not have the immigration mess or the Great Society if Nixon had rightfully gotten the Presidency.


47 posted on 06/29/2004 11:51:02 AM PDT by lone star annie
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To: Zack Nguyen
I think this election will be almost as close as 2000.

While it's natural to assume the worst with the mass media bombarding us incessantly with gloom and doom, reality coincides overwhelmingly with EZ's assessment.

Who'da thunk that the Governator would replace Gay Davis and that the margin of victory would be so large. I live amongst the fruits & nuts of Kalifornia, and I heard no overwhelming outcry prior to the recall. Yet, the voters spoke, no, they screamed nonetheless.

Pessimism is all that the anti-American democRAT party has to offer this fall. What improvements can such individuals void of courage, conviction, and morality offer in these onerous times? Can empty promises based upon blatant falsehood maintain their appeal throughout the campaign season?

Now, everything is cast in black and white. The days of gray are only a vague memory since issues of life and death took preeminence.

48 posted on 06/29/2004 11:55:03 AM PDT by caprock
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To: rface

the GOP better hire the lawyers and vote watcher early, they are dealing with crooks


49 posted on 06/29/2004 11:57:26 AM PDT by The Wizard (Democrats: enemies of America)
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To: rface
…turning in inaccurate voter registration forms and using convicted felons to go door to door. A spokeswoman for the group called both accusations insignificant.

Not untrue, of course.

Just “insignificant.”

50 posted on 06/29/2004 12:20:36 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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