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Bill Buckley, you and I know the war was a mistake
The Hill ^
| June 28, 04
| Josh Marshall
Posted on 06/29/2004 7:00:20 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
You and now Buckley will be proven very wrong in history, probably in the next year or two.
Iraq was involved in funding and training al-Quaeda for 9/11, and Iraq harbored terrorists and Iraq was going to continue making attacks on U.S. and help channel WMD to groups with intent to use them against us.
We absolutely had to take out Saddam.
Churchill would have been ashamed of you for not seeing the nose on your face.
To: Senator Pardek
I disagree. History will show this to be an uncommonly formative and positive change in the direction of world history.
We'll have to check back in ten or so years to see who was right. I'll sleep just fine in the meantime.
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posted on
06/29/2004 7:14:41 PM PDT
by
Ramius
(The pieces are moving. We come to it at last. The great battle of our time.)
To: Texasforever
I see, he supported it until it became PC not to.
Unlike me -- a bona fide conservative who thought this invasion was a mistake from the first, and I wasn't afraid to say so (at the risk of being vilified by freepers).
To: churchillbuff
Assuming arguendo that Buckley's factual assertions are correct, it is not very helpful to say that going to war was a mistake given what is known now. The relevant question is was it mistake to go to war given what was known then. It also is odd that Buckley would suggest that it was a mistake because the Americans would not have supported going to war, given what is known now. I would assert that what happened is that the US did the right thing based on false assumptions, again assuming Buckley's factual assertions are correct.
What happened to Buckley's idealism about liberating the oppressed, and eliminating the butchers he spent his life opposing? What happened to his idealism in not even mentioning the essential rightness and nobility in giving Iraq the chance to become a civil society, even if in the end they do not avail themselves of the opportunity?
Where have all the flowers gone?
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posted on
06/29/2004 7:14:44 PM PDT
by
Torie
To: churchillbuff
You mean the daily push polls that were taken during WWII when every gruesome American death was publicized by the traitorous media and the unpatriotic actors in Hollywood?
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posted on
06/29/2004 7:14:49 PM PDT
by
DLfromthedesert
(I was elected in AZ as an alt delegate to the Convention. I'M GOING TO NY)
To: Texasforever
Its a Kerry kind of thing. Political mulligans for those bereft of convictions.
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posted on
06/29/2004 7:15:43 PM PDT
by
jwalsh07
To: churchillbuff
OK, so you, Buckley and Clancy are wrong. Works for me.
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posted on
06/29/2004 7:15:49 PM PDT
by
Endeavor
To: DLfromthedesert
the traitorous media and the unpatriotic actors in Hollywood?
Actually, Hollywood supported this war - until recently, anyway. At Academy Awards last year, they booed Michael Moore when he spoke against the war. (I'm always up for booing Michael Moore - but in this case they were showing support for the war by booing him)
To: Alberta's Child
I like George Will but that position is ridiculous. How'bout if I knew now how the world will be in 20 years when IslamoFascism is dead, I'd adamantly support the war.
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posted on
06/29/2004 7:17:00 PM PDT
by
the FLY
To: Texasforever
No, he supported it until two things became clear to him: 1) there never was any WMD threat that was serious enough to warrant a U.S. invasion; and 2) the administration's efforts in waging the war revealed an utter lack of competence in preparing for the occupation of Iraq.
In fact, now that I think about Point #2 . . . I believe he made this comment somewhere around the first anniversary of President Bush's idiotic performance on the deck of the aircraft carrier.
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posted on
06/29/2004 7:17:38 PM PDT
by
Alberta's Child
("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
To: Endeavor
OK, so you, Buckley and Clancy are wrong. Works for me.
Add Gen. Zinni and Gen. Schwarzkoff and some other smart generals.
To: Torie
Very good, except for the flowers thing. That was a bit over the top.
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posted on
06/29/2004 7:17:44 PM PDT
by
jwalsh07
To: nopardons
It pains me deeply to be in disagreement with WFB, but you are right, he is dead wrong. It amazes me, that the intellectuals are having trouble extrapolating out, President Bush's policy on Iraq.
To: churchillbuff
Unlike me -- a bona fide conservative who thought this invasion was a mistake from the first, and I wasn't afraid to say so (at the risk of being vilified by freepers). So do you want a medal? Hell you deserve vilification.
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posted on
06/29/2004 7:18:33 PM PDT
by
Texasforever
(When Kerry was asked what kind of tree he would like to be he answered…. Al Gore.)
To: churchillbuff
You're just an anti-Bush troll that has managed to survive for some reason. Every post I've ever seen you make is bash Bush, "Bush bad", "Bush sucks", "Bush will lose", "We need to warm up to President Kerry", etc, etc, etc.
To: jwalsh07
It was deliberate. It works for me on several levels. :)
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posted on
06/29/2004 7:18:58 PM PDT
by
Torie
To: churchillbuff
Well, if you opposed it from the beginning, that's fine. But I'm a bit tired of these people who whole-heartedly supported it at the start, and now have lost heart. It's sickening that some seemed to think this would be over in a month and a Jeffersonian democracy would immediately flourish in Iraq. Talk about clueless! I knew it would be tough, take years, and I still believe it is not only worth it, but that there is no other choice to protect us from even more devastating attacks in the future. Face it, eventually, every nation on earth will have nukes if they want them. That's a fact.
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posted on
06/29/2004 7:19:05 PM PDT
by
Timmy
To: churchillbuff
Actually, Hollywood supported this war There is a diagnosis for this in abnormal psychology that escapes me right now.
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posted on
06/29/2004 7:19:13 PM PDT
by
jwalsh07
To: churchillbuff
But picking apart the reasons why we got into Iraq in the first place and comparing what the administration said in 2002 with what we know in 2004, it is increasingly difficult not to conclude, as a majority of the American public and that founding father of modern conservatism have now concluded, that the whole enterprise was a mistake.ROFL!! Bill Buckley is still as sharp as a tack; and NOT for the reasons many here (and elsewhere) are suggesting, IMHO. For whatever it's worth, I hear Mr. Buckley whispering in my ear: "Fight harder".
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posted on
06/29/2004 7:19:13 PM PDT
by
Alia
(California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
To: churchillbuff
George has been all hyper a time or two about the lack of WMD laying around. Some people forgot the Sadaam had many years to practice hiding things.
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