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To: sergeantdave

So, using some of that logic, we should open the borders to everyone and anyone to prevent illegals from coming through? (Not that they aren't open now...) Sure, they wouldn't be "illegal" any more, but there would be such a surge in numbers we couldn't handle it. (Not that we can handle it now...)

Laws are the only things that keep some people from using drugs. Take the laws away, and you'll see a lot more drug abuse, more access to drugs by children in their own homes, etc. I don't want to clean up that mess.

The criminals will find new high-priced black markets and human degradation to deal in. If they have to sell pot or whatever at reduced legal market prices, they won't be making the money they are now.


13 posted on 06/30/2004 5:39:25 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: AmericanChef
Laws are the only things that keep some people from using drugs.

Yeah, that's right.

The only thing keeping me from shooting up heroin and becoming an addict is the fact that it is illegal.

Get real!

15 posted on 06/30/2004 5:41:38 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: AmericanChef

There's a demand for illegal aliens; consequently, a black market has developed to assist the illegal alien market. I'm simply stating basic Econ 101. You can see it working in now with both parties assisting the black market in illegal aliens by refusing to enforce the laws.

The black market in illegal aliens will lessen somewhat when illegal aliens are forced to follow the rules and wait in line and become legal, according to whatever rules are established and enforced by congress.

Governments, even totalitarian ones, have never succeeded in shutting down black markets. It's just a fact of supply and demand economics.


19 posted on 06/30/2004 6:20:24 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Gen. Custer wore an Arrowsmith shirt to his last property owner convention.)
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To: AmericanChef
Laws are the only things that keep some people from using drugs.

Pure baloney. You can't find one study anywhere to support that.

22 posted on 06/30/2004 7:47:04 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: AmericanChef
Take the laws away, and you'll see a lot more drug abuse, more access to drugs by children in their own homes, etc. I don't want to clean up that mess.

Although you sort of have the right idea, you've carried it to an illogical extreme..

The answer is to CHANGE the laws..
Firstly, authorizing medical use without ending up with federal charges against you..
Although there are exceptions, bad apples in the medical community, the vast majority of doctors and nurses will use many of those drugs properly and effectively.

Secondly, licensing and taxation..
Even with requirements for a license to buy and sell, and a federal tax equal to that on alcohol, prices would be much lower than street prices are now..
No profit motive, no crime.. affordable prices, no crime.. medical supervision, no crime..

I could spend a couple days of my time researching to prove the point, digging up all the stuff I've read over the years, but I don't really want to waste my time..

There will always be some abuse of drugs just as there is of alcohol.. You can't change human nature..
But prior to prohibition, the prohibition movement was actually succeeding in changing america's drinking habits through education and information campaigns..
Ever heard of "taking the pledge"? That was the prohibition movement.. It was working..
When prohibition passed, all of their good work went to hell in a handcart.. We ended up with organized crime, and illegal booze everywhere, as most citizens, normally law abiding, virtually "looked the other way" when it came to enforcing prohibition, and even refused to convict most bootleggers.. ( jury nullification at it's best )

By the way, prohibition was responsible for the increased popularity of marijuana as a recreational drug of choice.. replacing the prohibited alcohol...
As did other drugs, as a replacement for good old booze..

Prohibition also resulted in the 1934 Gun Act which put all those severe restrictions on the "Tommy Gun" and other automatic weapons, as well as the Sawed off Shotgun, or Coach Gun, one of the most popular personal weapons of the time.. ( Shotgun... The REAL "Gun that Won the West".. )
So, like Mr. Miller says, it is laws like the present Drug laws that encourage criminal activities in search of profit.. That end up taking away YOUR GUN RIGHTS.

I'm not calling for outright legalization of all drugs..
I'm just calling for some common sense..
Morphine, even Heroin, can be used medically, but is so highly restricted, and the penalties for "perceived" over-prescribing so severe, that doctors are afraid to simply relieve the pain of TERMINAL patients..
Cannabis, or marijuana, which cannot be shown to EVER have killed Anyone through overdose, has less effect on brain cells than alcohol, and benefits cancer patients by decreasing nausea and increasing appetite, is completely prohibited for use and cannot be prescribed by doctors as a medicinal drug..

Additionally, Hemp is a cash crop that cannot even be grown in this country..
Agricultural Hemp wouldn't get a FLY HIGH..

Drugs are not bad..
Let me say that again..
DRUGS ARE NOT BAD.. DRUGS ARE NOT EVIL...

Drugs are used to make people's lives better, to cure disease, ease pain, correct conditions, etc., etc., etc..
It is the ABUSE of drugs that is bad..
Even Alcohol, when used in moderation and with discretion, is beneficial.. Belladonna, a known poison, is used medicinally, and is a beneficial muscle relaxant..
Castor oil is made from Mung Beans, the basis for Ricin..

Laws don't keep people from taking drugs..
Americans take tons of drugs every day.. Even children are doped up on a form of Methamphetamine, RITALIN..
It's personal responsibility that is required, not laws..
When conjoined with some medical supervision or advice, most if not all of the drugs we spend Billions on prohibiting, could be handled by Free Americans with responsible attitudes..

Lastly, some hard core opinion..
While I have stated above I am willing to accept some regulation in place of restriction and prohibition,...

Personally, I would legalize (decriminalize) all drugs..
I understand there would be a sudden upsurge in drug overdoses and related deaths.. But it would soon come back down and level off at a fairly low rate..
And those that die?
Obviously, they had non-survival traits.. Probably all Liberals and socialists, and we're well rid of them..
I'd rather they kill themselves off than my having to do it, some night in my home, defending my family..
With a gun made illegal by a stupid War on Drugs..

34 posted on 07/08/2004 12:16:27 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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