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Undocumented immigrants may get help for college
Fort Worth Star-Telegram ^ | Wed, Jun. 30, 2004 | PATRICK MCGEE/Knight Ridder Newspapers

Posted on 06/30/2004 11:08:47 AM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com

College shouldn't be difficult for Joaquin, who mastered Advanced Placement classes in a language he learned only four years ago and recently graduated 12th in his high school class.

But paying for it will be. The 19-year-old is an undocumented immigrant. He doesn't qualify for federal financial aid, which makes up 90 percent of the average Texas college student's aid package...

Congress is considering the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act, which would make some undocumented immigrant students eligible for federal loans, but not grants. The bill would make students who immigrated here five or more years ago at the age of 15 or younger eligible for legal status and federal loans...

In January 2000, he trekked 26 hours across a desert from Mexico with about 50 others to join his father, who was living in North Texas and performing odd jobs. His mother and sister came separately. The family said they paid a smuggler $1,800 each to get them across the border...

(Excerpt) Read more at grandforks.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: aliens; dreamact; financialaid; freeloaders; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; linejumpers; orrinhatch; parasites; queuejumpers; vultures
Here's a draft of the letter I'm sending to Rex Seline, Managing Editor/News (817-390-7729 rseline@star-telegram.com). Please send your own version.

I've seen several "news reports" very similar to this advocacy piece in other publications. They invariably feature one or two bright illegal aliens who are presented in the most sympathetic light possible. All of the upsides of the DREAM Act are presented, with few of the downsides. If you did a search, you might be surprised. It's almost as if they were all following the same template.

In any case, I'd like to suggest that you break new ground and cover the DREAM Act from a different perspective.

In a future article, could you cover someone who would be negatively impacted by the DREAM Act?

There are only a finite number of colleges, and only a finite amount of money available for discounted college educations. Joaquin (from the "news report") will be in competition with U.S. citizens for those finite discounted college educations.

What that means is there's a good chance that Joaquin will get a discounted college education, and a U.S. citizen will not. For instance, let's assume that there are just 1000 discounted college educations available, that there are 1001 applicants, and that 1000 of of those applicants are U.S. citizens but the 1001st is Joaquin. If Joaquin gets a discounted college education, that means that one of those 1000 U.S. citizens will not.

In other words, there's a good chance that Joaquin - an illegal alien and a citizen of Mexico - will take a discounted college education away from a United States citizen.

Perhaps you could find a citizen who might lose out to an illegal alien and do a sympathetic portrait/advocacy piece on them.

Also, you might want to ask why a) Joaquin can't go to Mexico for a college education, and b) why Mexico apparently is unable to offer him one.

I'll give you credit for including a dissenting voice in the "news report." In a future article perhaps you'll go into more depth on the effect if the DREAM Act passes. Won't that encourage even more illegal aliens to come here with their children to take advantage of the DREAM Act or a similar bill? And, as time goes on, won't those new illegal immigrants take even more discounted college educations away from U.S. citizens?

Also, please give a quick look to this older article ( http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/state/8234939.htm?1c ): "Eighty-six percent of those surveyed for the Scripps Howard Texas Poll released Saturday said illegal immigration is a very serious or somewhat serious problem..."

I look forward to your next article on this topic.

1 posted on 06/30/2004 11:08:49 AM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
Congress is considering the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act, which would make some undocumented immigrant students eligible for federal loans, but not grants.

That will teach those "illegal aliens" for breaking our laws! /s

2 posted on 06/30/2004 11:12:07 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

Very well stated. I hope they publish it as an editorial and take it to heart when they draft their next article on this subject.


3 posted on 06/30/2004 11:12:32 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Kerry loathes you but will tolerate your vote, peon!)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

Maybe if they really want to D.R.E.A.M., they can apply for US citizenship. Then, if they are good students and seem to contribute to the future good of US society, we can grant them citizenship. But if they don't seem to be of outstanding promise - sorry, no $$$, no citizenship, no scholarship.


4 posted on 06/30/2004 11:17:35 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Kerry loathes you but will tolerate your vote, peon!)
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To: Puddleglum
Undocumented immigrants....

They are ILLEGAL ALIENS

5 posted on 06/30/2004 11:18:13 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
some undocumented immigrant students eligible for federal loans, but not grants.

And we know who will pay for the loans that are defaulted. What a country we live in.

6 posted on 06/30/2004 11:20:22 AM PDT by Cagey
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

Arnarchy is scratchin at the door and the answer for it is also coming

Terrorists and illegal invaders are all part of the plan...the same plan implemented in Britain by letting in millions of foreigners who added nothing to the culture other than violent crime...

The Brits beg to give up freedom for security...from the very thugs brought in by their govt.

imo


7 posted on 06/30/2004 11:24:06 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
"The 19-year-old is an undocumented immigrant"

No, he isn't. He's a criminal, here illegally.

8 posted on 06/30/2004 11:26:27 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Puddleglum

There is free state university education in all of Mexico --- instead of expecting the American taxpayers to give them a free ride, they can go home where their own government will provide it. They are being denied nothing --- they can go to college back home --- and it's free for them.


9 posted on 06/30/2004 11:29:58 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: lonewacko_dot_com; gubamyster; HiJinx
Congress is considering the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act, which would make some undocumented immigrant students eligible for federal loans, but not grants. The bill would make students who immigrated here five or more years ago at the age of 15 or younger eligible for legal status and federal loans...

Well isn't that just duckie. What other goodies does Joaquin and his family receive?

10 posted on 06/30/2004 11:34:49 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
More goodies for illegals, swell.

We're not making enough noise, apparently. I wonder what it will take to get our 'betters' attention?

11 posted on 06/30/2004 11:51:30 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
Congress is considering the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act, which would make some undocumented immigrant students eligible for federal loans

I thought we had a Republican Congress who would control spending. I'm really getting tired of having my wallet picked by these prostitutes and then having them give my money to the illegal alien lobby.

12 posted on 06/30/2004 11:58:39 AM PDT by Missouri
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To: *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; B4Ranch; ..

ping


13 posted on 06/30/2004 12:12:20 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Missouri
I thought we had a Republican Congress who would control spending.

This ain't your daddy's GOP.

14 posted on 06/30/2004 12:13:36 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
The 19-year-old is an undocumented immigrant. He doesn't qualify for federal financial aid... Congress is considering the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act...

A 19-year-old is not a minor. I'd tell him to get a job, but working without a green card would be breaking the law.

15 posted on 06/30/2004 12:38:12 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: EGPWS

Yea, put a citizen out for an Illigrant. Give them a loan, give them an education, give them free housing, and when the Illigrants are done - deport them so US taxpayers end up screwed again because they no longer have to repay the "loans".

Our Mexican Congress is original.


16 posted on 06/30/2004 1:16:35 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
The 19-year-old is an undocumented immigrant illegal alien.

And his ass should be deported!

17 posted on 06/30/2004 1:19:03 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP (McClintock - In Your Heart, You Know He's Right)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

MF&)(@!(&*$)@&!!!

I am barely able to save for my sons' college and our UN-REPRESENTATIVE representatives [LAWYERS ARE SELF_SERVING PARASITES AND SHOULD BE BANNED FROM GOVERNMENT SERVICE] are going to give away my tax money to those who do not deserve it.

This sucks.

[yeah comment about my yelling as if I didn't know I was doing it]

/rant


18 posted on 06/30/2004 2:09:28 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Missouri
What you said.

I thought we had a Republican Congress who would control spending. I'm really getting tired of having my wallet picked by these prostitutes and then having them give my money to the illegal alien lobby.

19 posted on 06/30/2004 2:09:50 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

I'm sure they'll not skip out on repayment.


20 posted on 06/30/2004 2:12:26 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
I'm sure they'll not skip out on repayment.

With this kind of allegiance I'd be surprised if he made one loan payment.

"It is more pride than anything," he said. "I'm a Mexican. I am proud of what I can do, and I will do it for my country. That is my motivation."

21 posted on 06/30/2004 2:17:36 PM PDT by CaptainK
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To: Indie

YES YOU ARE YELLING AND I AGREE YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO DO SO! I am putting my daughter through State University and because of the budget problems in California the tuition is going up every semester. Trying to scrimp and save so she doesn't take out loans and end up in debt. She works about 25 to 30 hrs. a week during the school year in addition to taking 17+ units. But then again, let's just give the illegal a FREE RIDE! Also the universities here are overcrowded and they aren't even able to take some citizens who qualify to get in.


22 posted on 06/30/2004 2:20:37 PM PDT by antceecee (God bless and shield our troops from harm.)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

I believe they all should receive Harvard educations paid for by the state of Taxatusetts.


23 posted on 06/30/2004 2:25:04 PM PDT by WalterSkinner
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To: EGPWS

insane


24 posted on 06/30/2004 2:59:33 PM PDT by y2k_free_radical (ESSE QUAM VIDERA-to be rather than to seem)
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To: Missouri
I thought we had a Republican Congress who would control spending. I'm really getting tired of having my wallet picked by these prostitutes and then having them give my money to the illegal alien lobby.

Don't look to the present administration and congress to do anything to protect the country from a mass takeover by the Mexicans.

Our politicians have already raised the white flag in defeat. The problem is that most Americans are so blind they can't see it.

25 posted on 06/30/2004 4:20:39 PM PDT by swampfox98 (We are at war! We have been at war since 9/11. How smart do you have to be to understand this?)
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To: CaptainK
"It is more pride than anything," he said. "I'm a Mexican. I am proud of what I can do, and I will do it for my country. That is my motivation."

Translation:

"It's more entitlement than anything. I'm a Mexican illegal living in the golden land of milk and honey. I will take from this country what I can, when I can and for as long as I can....simply because I can.

That is my motivation."
26 posted on 06/30/2004 4:28:26 PM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29 (Save a horse....ride a cowboy!)
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To: antceecee; Indie; Principled; CaptainK
These college loans are just another kind of stealth amnesty.

Just wait and see. The Border Patrol will be forbidden to deport an illegal alien that's participating in this federal student loan program.

27 posted on 06/30/2004 5:44:45 PM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
When I heard GWB was going to send a few million to Vietnam for AIDs relief (I mean throw away a few million), I just shook my head in disgust but then I realized that we haven't seen nothing yet.
28 posted on 06/30/2004 6:55:35 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: swampfox98
Our politicians have already raised the white flag in defeat.

You may be right.

29 posted on 06/30/2004 8:10:17 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: gubamyster

BTTT


30 posted on 07/01/2004 1:07:39 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

Yes I get your point, but don't you think that illegal aliens are humans, and didn't choose where to be born and deserve a chance if they try hard enough. You might be thinking but htey have their own country but have you ever been to their countries you are lucky if you survive there. There are master degree holders who don't have a job, so what are they looking forward to huh. Hey and guess what I'm one of them and I bet I have better grades then anybody you know I have a 4.o GPA and I have only been in this country for 5 years and I'm taking AP courses and I'm in 10th grade.


31 posted on 07/03/2004 1:06:10 PM PDT by lon3333
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