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Look Out For this Democrat Vote Fraud Trick on Election Day - and Have a Cop Make an Arrest
7/02/04

Posted on 07/02/2004 8:33:04 AM PDT by jmstein7

As we all know, for Democrats, the law is a mere annoyance… something that needs to be circumvented to achieve the desired Democrat ends.  This is particularly true on election day.

 

“Walking Around Money”

 

I’m sure that many of you have seen this – Democrats and/or Democrat affiliated groups near polling places giving people “walking round money” to vote on Election Day.  This is an illegal practice.  Note the following federal law:

18 USCS § 597 (2004)

§ 597.  Expenditures to influence voting

Whoever makes or offers to make an expenditure to any person, either to vote or withhold his vote, or to vote for or against any candidate; and
 
Whoever solicits, accepts, or receives any such expenditure in consideration of his vote or the withholding of his vote--
 
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

As you see, this is an illegal activity.  If you see this practice going on on Election Day, alert the authorities immediately – cops with probable cause to believe a person or persons is (are) violating this law have the authority to make an arrest on the spot.  Further, there will probably be vote fraud hotlines set up to report this kind of thing. 

 

You can give cops the necessary probable cause to make an arrest by showing them a copy of the law or merely citing the statute (18 USCS 597), telling them that you personally observed the law being violated, and telling them, in detail, whom you saw violating the law. 

 

The people offering the money and the people who receive/accept the money may both be arrested and charged.

 

Please tell anyone you know about this law, and please take action to be on the lookout for this on Election Day.  As we say in New York – “if you see something, SAY something!”


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KEYWORDS: dems; dirtytricks; voterfraud
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1 posted on 07/02/2004 8:33:06 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: Mich0127; Mia T; WorkingClassFilth; jla; Gail Wynand; Brian Allen; Wolverine; ...

Stop Vote Fraud BUMP!


2 posted on 07/02/2004 8:35:22 AM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound to the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: Pokey78; Happy2BMe; devolve; PhilDragoo

Stop Vote Fraud BUMP!


3 posted on 07/02/2004 8:35:54 AM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound to the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: jmstein7

It's okay to use the taxpayers' money to buy votes, but it's criminal to use your own.


4 posted on 07/02/2004 8:36:41 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("This house is sho' gone crazy!")
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To: All
Stop Vote Fraud

If you recall the media tried to give FL to Gore in 2000
VNS was a private consortium owned by
ABC News, The Associated Press, CBS News, CNN, Fox News, and NBC.

All 5 of the networks and cable newsrooms "announced" Gore had won
BEFORE the 2nd time zone in FL had closed.
This cost President Bush votes in the FL panhandle.
I was at a friends house and the State of FL election website results showed President Bush was winning
WHILE the big 5 media TV and Cable newsrooms "announced their" winner.

The big 5 media TV and Cable newsrooms are the real threat to the 2004 election.

..."Early on Tuesday, November 7th 2000, TV stations and various media based in Florida reported that Gore has won Florida which was a big surprise for everyone because of strong republican support. Bush's brother Jeb is governor there and Florida usually gives support to the Republicans. Some of them questioned that and during the night CNN showed 52% Bush's lead over 46% for Gore. It is almost impossible to believe that media could have been that blind and biased to report Gore's victory."...



5 posted on 07/02/2004 8:38:15 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Have you said Thank You to a service man or woman today?)
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To: jmstein7

If they offer me money, I'll accept the cash, vote for Bush, and then turn them in.


6 posted on 07/02/2004 8:42:50 AM PDT by Azzurri
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

My Grandad used to tell stories about the thirties and the days of paper ballots, when the first guy to vote would stuff a dummy vote in the box then smuggle out the real ballot, then head straight for the union hall and get his free whiskey, as stooge #2 took possession of the ballot (filled out for the Democratic nominee) and re-entered the polling place. This went on all day.


7 posted on 07/02/2004 8:43:40 AM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: Azzurri

You accept the cash, you're in violation of the law, too


8 posted on 07/02/2004 8:43:58 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Fabrizio Quattrocchi: "Adesso vi faccio vedere come muore un italiano")
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To: Azzurri
Don't do that. It would put you into the same class as someone who complains to the police because the gram of cocaine he bought was undersized. I wouldn't want to see you in a "Stupid Criminal" story.

;^)

9 posted on 07/02/2004 8:47:03 AM PDT by Ghost in the Machine (Yes, I exist. No, I am not a virus.)
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To: jmstein7; 8mmMauser; Acela; afterhoursguru; AlextheWise1; AniGrrl; arepublicifyoucankeepit; ...
The DemocRATS are so desperate to get President Bush out of office, it's hard to tell what they will stoop to. Being desperate brings out the evil in people.

I highly recommend for any Conservative that works the polls this November to keep a sharp eye out for any thing that doesn't seem on the up and up.

And by God, they BETTER count the military absentee votes! This has been in my crawl since last election.


10 posted on 07/02/2004 8:48:06 AM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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To: jmstein7

You may have to make the collar yourself -- or have a federal marshal do so. Most police departments will not enforce federal laws -- particularly when doing so is not in the best interest of the police union.


11 posted on 07/02/2004 8:49:36 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Ciexyz
and then there was that wonderful Lyndon Johnson who won a US Senate seat in 1948 by 48 votes.

Starr county in south Texas emptied it's cemetary that day.

12 posted on 07/02/2004 8:49:46 AM PDT by oldtimer
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I witnessed the "Florida Effect" in California. I work at the polling place. The 5pm rush is always the biggest of the day. But not in Nov 2000.

The networks had called Gore the statistical winner, so untold thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands nationwide , felt their votes to be meaningless.

They drove home instead of to the polls.


13 posted on 07/02/2004 8:52:00 AM PDT by moodyskeptic (www.WinWithHumor.com)
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To: Azzurri
You see?

The gullible reign!

14 posted on 07/02/2004 8:52:34 AM PDT by G.Mason (A war mongering, red white and blue, military industrial complex, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: jmstein7

bump


15 posted on 07/02/2004 8:53:16 AM PDT by VOA
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To: So Cal Rocket

But this brings up a ploy to catch them. Freepers in those cities where this is likely to happen can dress like street people and hang around near the polls and wait for the dem criminals to offer them money. Would help if they had an accomplice to take pictures or video of the money exchange. Case closed.


16 posted on 07/02/2004 8:53:16 AM PDT by WVNan (Be faithful in little things, for in them our strength lies. (Mother Teresa))
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To: SheLion
My understanding is that the military ballots are never counted, if a determination is made that they wouldn't change a result.

I hate the practice, because a million votes went uncounted in California while everybody was screaming about Florida.

IMHO, if all the military ballots had been counted, the Democrats couldn't keep going around saying "Gore won the popular vote by 400,000." One simply cannot make that claim when there are a couple million ballots across the country that were never counted, and would have leaned Bush heavily.

17 posted on 07/02/2004 8:53:51 AM PDT by Ghost in the Machine (Yes, I exist. No, I am not a virus.)
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To: jmstein7

Memo-gate bump!


18 posted on 07/02/2004 9:00:00 AM PDT by talleyman (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Ghost in the Machine
My understanding is that the military ballots are never counted, if a determination is made that they wouldn't change a result.

They why are absentee ballots sent to our military overseas?  And how would they know until the ballots were counted that it wouldn't change the result?

IMHO, if all the military ballots had been counted, the Democrats couldn't keep going around saying "Gore won the popular vote by 400,000." One simply cannot make that claim when there are a couple million ballots across the country that were never counted, and would have leaned Bush heavily.

We made a big stink in Florida when they refused to count the absentee ballots.  Even the military was upset.  But the Rats deemed that the ballots "weren't received in time," or they "weren't filled out correctly," yada yada yada.  Anything they could find to trash them.

Welcome to Free Republic, btw. :)

19 posted on 07/02/2004 9:00:46 AM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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To: Ghost in the Machine
Don't do that. It would put you into the same class as someone who complains to the police because the gram of cocaine he bought was undersized.

I know, but it would be so fun to take their money and then vote for Bush anyway. Kind of like when Ollie North used the Iranian profits to fund the contras in Nicaragua.

20 posted on 07/02/2004 9:04:36 AM PDT by Azzurri
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To: jmstein7
I don't know, they just busted a guy for jamming the phone line of an escort service to the polls by repeated fast-dialing for a long enough period to prevent potential voters from getting through to arrange a ride.

One would think that a free ride to the polls would represent an expenditure in lieu of cabfare, but, the law is, itself, driven by politics.

21 posted on 07/02/2004 9:05:51 AM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: Azzurri

I see your point. It would be fun, in a strange sort of way.


22 posted on 07/02/2004 9:06:51 AM PDT by Ghost in the Machine (Yes, I exist. No, I am not a virus.)
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To: WVNan
Freepers in those cities where this is likely to happen can dress like street people and hang around near the polls and wait for the dem criminals to offer them money.

Then we mug him.

23 posted on 07/02/2004 9:08:42 AM PDT by lowbridge ("You are an American. You are my brother. I would die for you." -Kurdish Sergeant)
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To: moodyskeptic

Yep - and didn't the same happen in the Florida Panhandle? I believe that part of the state is one time zone over...


24 posted on 07/02/2004 9:09:11 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (...proud to be a Brown Shirted digital First Responder)
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To: So Cal Rocket
"You accept the cash, you're in violation of the law, too ".

Yup, true enough - just do a citizens' arrest.(been there, done that).

25 posted on 07/02/2004 9:10:04 AM PDT by Studebaker Hawk ( (fill in the blank) more than I need; not as many as I want.)
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To: jmstein7
It was Hot dogs and Orange Slice at the Bed-Stuy poll I was watching in '00. Yes, I dropped a dime...
26 posted on 07/02/2004 9:15:10 AM PDT by hedgie
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To: jmstein7

Well, you probably remember in 2000 they actually had pictures and proof of Dim operatives giving people in Madison, Wisconsin money and cigarettes to go in the polling place and vote for Gore. Did anything ever come of it? Nah. What's some little 24 year old patrolman gonna do if you call him out to the polling place with this type of complaint?

Don't get me wrong. I'd do it in a heartbeat. I'd throw a Southeast Texas fit and make a scene. Probably to no avail, however.


27 posted on 07/02/2004 9:29:54 AM PDT by no dems (Is there still a demand for good men?)
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To: jmstein7

bump


28 posted on 07/02/2004 9:40:41 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Become a monthly donor on FR. No amount is too small and monthly giving is the way to go !)
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To: ErnBatavia; moodyskeptic
"Yep - and didn't the same happen in the Florida Panhandle? I believe that part of the state is one time zone over..."

ABC CBS CNN FOX and NBC "forgot" FL had 2 time zones.
They announced "their winner" Gore had "won" with 1 hour left in the 2nd time zone.
They knew it would cost President Bush votes in the stong Republican panhandle.
29 posted on 07/02/2004 9:44:21 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Just say NO to TV and Cable "News" and "Election Results")
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To: jmstein7
I think the key to the election is to increase the turnout in the rural areas. We need to make legal registration highly accessable and really promote the election in small towns. The Rats will get their turnout in the inner cities(even keeping polls open late).

It would be interesting to analyze the voting percentages and registration/election practices between the 2 areas.

30 posted on 07/02/2004 9:45:00 AM PDT by DrewsDad
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To: jmstein7

You should send a condensed version of your note around...is this the cigarette trick?


31 posted on 07/02/2004 9:45:59 AM PDT by Mich0127 (A village in Massachusetts is missing their drunk...contact the Kennedys with any info immediately!)
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To: no dems

Actually, it was in Milwaukee and the Dimowit DA of Milwaukee County, a GEN-U-INE machine politician, didn't bother to push the issue.

The NYC 'socialite' harpy who was handing out the goodies may have paid a $100.00 fine or something...


32 posted on 07/02/2004 9:46:16 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: jmstein7
I live in SC; if GWB doesn't carry this state by 10 points,
regardless of edwards on the ticket or not, then there is
something very fishy in denmark.
33 posted on 07/02/2004 9:52:57 AM PDT by smonk
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To: ninenot

The perps usually get off with a delayed slap on the wrist, but if they can be taken out of circulation and away from the polling place for the day, that would certainly help.


34 posted on 07/02/2004 9:59:38 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Mich0127

Yup!


35 posted on 07/02/2004 10:07:03 AM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound to the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: jmstein7
"18 USCS § 597 (2004)"

What is the constitutional jurisdiction for this law to be enforced within the boundaries of a sovereign state?

There are only two constitutionaly enumerated methods of federal jurisdiction within a state:

Powers of Congress

Article I, Section 8, Cl 3, the "commerce clause."

Article I, Section 8, Cl 17 state property owned by our federal government with a state's consent.

Obviously, the act of offering an individual money, lunch, or a beer, who maybe standing on a city street corner or holed up in a tavern, to vote for a specfic candiate, does not meet the jurisdictional requirements of the constitution for this law to be enforced.

Why would a presumed "conservative" at a site know as "FreeRepublic" advocate the unconstitutional enforcement of federal law when the term "conservative" implies the desire to "conserve?"

In this case "conserve" the tenants and covenants of the constitution.

Advocating the enforcement of unconstitutional federal laws is what a Democrat/liberal is known to do.

36 posted on 07/02/2004 10:10:38 AM PDT by tahiti
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To: tahiti

Actually, you're wrong. This law does not rely on the commerce power; the federal government has broad power to regulate the conduct of federal elections.

I happen to be an expert in this area.


37 posted on 07/02/2004 10:14:44 AM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound to the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: jmstein7

Yeah, like telling a cop you saw this crime will have any effect on them. Their response will more than likely be "I can't do anything about it." After all it isn't like they were speeding or overparked or something equally dangerous.


38 posted on 07/02/2004 10:20:45 AM PDT by DaiHuy (MUST HAVE JUST BEEN BORN THAT WAY...)
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To: jmstein7

Have a camera ready to take pictures.

A video camera in hand will stop this bs!


39 posted on 07/02/2004 10:57:53 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Negate Michael Moore! Become a monthly donor to Free Republic!)
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To: jmstein7
I just posted this. Some congress critters are requesting UN over site for the elections.

If this is true, we need to start screaming!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1164397/posts
40 posted on 07/02/2004 11:18:06 AM PDT by redgolum
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To: jmstein7

So, let's set 'em up. Dress like a street person, hang out where the offer is being made, hidden tape recorder or video cell phone running, then make your citizen's arrest.

If you have someone else taping it, make sure they are concealed until the crime has been documented.

Unfortunately, I can't "put my money where my mouth is" because I'll be tied up all day as a district official at my assigned polling place.


41 posted on 07/02/2004 11:21:07 AM PDT by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: WVNan
But this brings up a ploy to catch them.

Believe it or not, I posted my #41 comment before reading down; you beat me to it, probably more did further down.

42 posted on 07/02/2004 11:29:38 AM PDT by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: jmstein7; MeekOneGOP; ntnychik; Happy2BMe; potlatch; PhilDragoo; dixiechick2000; onyx; Smartass

43 posted on 07/02/2004 11:30:46 AM PDT by devolve (---------------- [--------------Hello from Sunny South Florida-------------)
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To: oldtimer
The last hundred odd votes in Duval County were all for "Landslide Lyndon" and cast in alphabetical order.
44 posted on 07/02/2004 12:00:12 PM PDT by labard1
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To: devolve
bump !

45 posted on 07/02/2004 12:01:45 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Become a monthly donor on FR. No amount is too small and monthly giving is the way to go !)
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To: SheLion; Ghost in the Machine
I've heard the same thing Ghost posted. The way it works is this...

Voters who attend the polls are screened on site by volunteer poll workers and scan their own ballots (depending on the type of system used in your precinct). However, absentee ballots have to be screened and processed by hired personnel. In the hundreds of thousands, this is an expensive proposition. Therefore, states count these ballots last.

If processing the absentee ballots won't change the outcome of the election (the winner winning by more votes than absentee ballots collected) then this process is avoided as an unnecessary expense. This means that in states like California that were solidly for Gore, they didn't bother counting the absentee ballots because it wouldn't affect the outcome in that state.

Whether this is true or just rumor, I couldn't say. It seems to make sense, though.

46 posted on 07/02/2004 1:44:43 PM PDT by pgyanke (Christianity, if false, is unimportant and, if true, of infinite importance. - C.S. Lewis)
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To: pgyanke; SheLion
Your thumbnail sketch is correct, but let me clarify further: It's down to the local level, not just Gore/Bush. If, say, two candidates for the state assembly were in a close race, and the absentee/military ballots are larger than the *counted* difference between the two, then they are counted. No polling or sampling or anything like that. Hard numbers have to be in play to make a call to not count ballots.

In the case of California, like I brought up, there is less chance the military votes will be counted because of the Demo wipe-outs in some of those areas.

Thanks, SheLion, for the welcome!

:^)

47 posted on 07/02/2004 2:12:19 PM PDT by Ghost in the Machine (Yes, I exist. No, I am not a virus.)
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To: jmstein7
I, too anticipate that cops would do nothing, even if you showed them video of a Democrat gleefully stuffing a ballot box. Still, they should be reported to and take down the name of the officer who refuses to help.

One big difference in this election however is Fox News. There was no local Fox News last big election and this year there is one in Tucson and Phoenix. (I don't know about other cities.) They might be willing to do a story if you can spot the operation and get them there in time.

I wonder what would happen here in Tucson if you had a Border Patrol vehicle parked directly in front of every polling place during the vote?
48 posted on 07/02/2004 2:23:36 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: jmstein7
"I happen to be an expert in this area."

I appreciate your reply to my remarks.

However, in comparison to my remarks, in which I cited the constitutional jurisdiction of our federal government, you made nothing more than an unsubstantiated statement that I was wrong and then an idle boast that you are expert.

I am from the "show me" state.

How do you substantiate your remark.

49 posted on 07/02/2004 3:18:36 PM PDT by tahiti
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To: Ghost in the Machine

"I" vote an absentee ballot. Are you saying my vote isn't being counted? (Voting absentee saves me from going to the polls).


50 posted on 07/02/2004 3:21:40 PM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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