Posted on 07/02/2004 11:15:54 AM PDT by cnkie
John Kerry is a man full of contradiction.
In 1995, already divorced from his first wife Julia Thorne, John Kerry pressed for an annulment.
He didn't bother to tell Ms. Thorne. The church simply informed her by way of a letter that this was the case.
Ms. Thorne had been severely depressed and near suicide when Kerry walked out on her, and in pressing for an annulment he cast his daughters into the bizarre state of illigimacy. (one of them was still a teenager at the time)
Compare that with the Jack Ryan Illinois Senate case where both parents were arguing to keep the records sealed so that their 9 year old son could be spared the embarassment of unsubstantiated allegiations.
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I say leave this whole divorce thing alone. It's not going to win any new votes. It's old and apparently he and his first wife are good friends now. It serves no purpose. I felt that way about the Ryan case and I think it's important to tbe consistant.
Seems the allegations were substantiated.
The Catholic Church doesn't teach that children from annulled marriages are illegitimate.
You dont think there is some traction to be gained from Kerry walking out on his mentally ill spouse with teenage kids and leaving her via a letter from the church?
I agree with you. American voters hate this stuff especially in presidential elections. This will work against Bush if we they don't watch out and Kerry will win the sympathy vote.
You're exactly wrong. This is exactly the kind of issue that will stir up emotions and get people to hate Kerry. So let's hope more and more of this kind of information is dredged up. Whatever it takes.
Kerry selfishly made his children illegitimate in order to obtain a phoney annulment for his political ambitions. He's scum. Sheeple love this kind of stuff cause they can understand it.
I agree. This doesn't put us in the best light. Leave his personal family life alone. There's MORE than enough public policy stuff for us to attack John Kerry on...more than enough.
I think that is the authors definition of a broken home,not the Catholic church.
Not to defend John Kerry but your headline is not true. Annullment does not in any way affect the legitimacy of the children born to an annulled marriage.
They do not love it, they resent it and the people who peddle it look sleazey. I wouldn't touch this stuff with a 10 ft pole.
Wouldn't you be if you were married to that guy?
I'll bet she started getting better immediately.
Didn't that creep Michael Kennedy--the one who had a hard encounter with a tree while skiing--do the same thing to his wife? But she fought the annulment.
Massachusetts Catholics are a breed apart.
I think you're wrong. And it does not become us. I'm all for fighting down and dirty, but we have enough politically that we don't have to go and drag his first wife through it again.
Now we understand why Teresa said she would give up all her money to have her first husband back! Maybe she realizes that old Lurch wasn't such a great catch after all.
If it was good enough for Newt Gingrich, it's good enough for John Kerry.
Nope. The religious annulment did not effect the legitimacy of his children. It's a carnard.
Right. We'll do that when the Demonrats leave George W. Bush's personal life alone. And that of his teo daughters.
Some of you people are strategically very naive.
Two daughters.
Preview is our friend.
Um...no he didn't.
won't float...stay focused...
That was my feeling too, some liberal Illinois judge fired the first shot already against Jack Ryan and we are expected to hold back fire?
So rather than doing the right thing, we should descend to their level?
An annulment doesn't make the children "illegitimate."
It amounts to an acknowledgement by the Church the marriage should never have taken place, but the Church still recognizes the children as legitimate just as children of couples in non Catholic unions are considered "legitimate" even though those other religions (all protestant religions) are not considered valid.
It's frustrating. And i'm sure the mainstream media will 'forget' that this story ever happened.
I'm not naive. Pushing this line of attack will backfire of the GOP...we've seen it before. The people pushing this look sanctimonious and self righteous at best...sleazey and dirty at worst. If that's what you want roll in the muck as much as you want.
These people have short memories.
Do they really think the Kerry campaign will not dredge up their lies once again about drunk driving, abortions, and AWOLs???
Whattabuncha P.C. wimps.
And don't forget how the Demonrats tried to make an issue out of an automoblie accident Laura Bush was involved in when she was 17 years old!!
I say go for it. Drag Kerry and every wife, girlfriend and boyfriend he ever had through the mud.
"...cast his daughters into the bizarre state of illigimacy."
Illegibility?
Illiteracy?
;-)
I'll be as happy as a pig in $hit if politically correct wimps like you are overruled by the Party fighters.
long time til november. i think asking him if his children are illegimate is legimate.
I also want to know about those fitness reports
his view of moore's movie
teresa's taxes
did he commit war crimes
has he ever had a private sector job
We are going to know a lot more soon, he will have to answer some questions and the answers will not always be pretty
Could be a serious blowout on 11/02
see post #12
Apparently, you're not. Whatever it takes to bring down liberals is fine by me. And if it exposes his selfish character as in this case, it should be brought out. Doesn't have to be the RNC, others can do the dirty work.
Michael Kennedy got one after something like 15 years of marriage.
I think that it is much more interesting that his daughter appeared at Cannes Film Festival in a dress that might as well have not been there, and it left nothing to the imagination. Clearly -- no taste!
Can you imagine that at the Inaugural Ball?
OK. So the annulment being a church deal doesn't affect children's legal status. Then the article is wrong. Still my point is valid. Kerry selfishly tried to get the church to grant an annulment without even involving his ex to magicly make it appear that he had never been married when he had grown children. It's a croc.
You need a fact-checker. The divorce was in California, Los Angeles county to be precise.
You said: Not to defend John Kerry but your headline is not true. Annullment does not in any way affect the legitimacy of the children born to an annulled marriage.
I am not Catholic, but it seems to me that if a marriage is annulled, that means that there never was any valid marriage, otherwise, divorce would be required. If there was never any marriage, then aren't the children illegitimate? I understand that perhaps the Catholic church does not teach this, but it sure seems to be inconsistent, kind of like giving Holy Communion to a pro-abortionist......
Her dad's acts probably made a decision like that at Cannes possible.
BTW, welcome to FR!
Since when is a marriage with children illegitimate?
The church said, "What Marriage"?
I don't get this.
See #37. Another point that is more interesting than his annulment (although it was crass of him to inform his exwife that way)is the story told by Terr-ray-zuh that he wakes up screaming in the middle of the night and has for years, according to his daughters.
I want to know more about that!
Concernig his annulment, the only thing we should be concerned about is whether he actually has one. No date has been published, as far as I know. I heard that it was not ready at the time of his marriage to Terr-ray-zuh.
So -- were they married in the Catholic Church? I think they were married elsewhere, but I've forgotten the details. Were they EVER married in the Church? After the whole annulment thing was strightened out.
THAT is the really interesting point, because -- if not, it is really putting him in an awkward position in regard to receiving Communion.
In any case, his daughters are NOT illegitimate. A church annulment has nothing to do with the legitimacy of the offspring. It is not the same thing as a civil annulment.
Well, those older daughters are campaigning for Mr. Kerry so if they have gotten over it, maybe the general public should leave well enough alone.
We need to remind everyone of all the Kennedy scandals, going back over eighty years.
Why? Because the Demoncrat National Convention is being billed as The Kennedy Family Reunion, and Kerry is their Chosen One.
Teddy Kennedy has reserved 100 rooms for Kennedy Family members for the week of the convention. Teddy is going to be the center of attention, with a "This Is Your Life" type thing done on him, which is usually reserved for the presidential candidate.
Instead of the Al Gore-Tipper Kiss, there will be a Kennedy-Dodd Waitress Sandwich featured. ;)
This is untrue. If an annullment is granted it is the sacrament of Holy Matrimony that is annulled not the civil union, the sacrament and only the sacrament. The Church has always taught that kids have nothing to do with the stupidity of their parents. There status remains legitimate.
Democratic Presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), D-Mass., is seen on his campaign bus with daughters Vanessa Kerry, left, and Alexandra Kerry, right, as they leave Duluth, Minn. for a campaign rally in Cloquet, Minn. Friday, July 2, 2004. He was embarking on a three day bus campaign trip through Wisconsin, Minnesota and Iowa. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)
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