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1 posted on 07/05/2004 12:31:02 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: marron; gubamyster; Grampa Dave; Dog; swarthyguy

Ping.


2 posted on 07/05/2004 12:31:38 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy

This makes me all the happier that on Sunday two different papers printed two different letters to the editor that I wrote about Moore's movie and both letters mention the oil company issue.

I alternate between laughter and despair when I hear people who have seen Michael Moore's film Fahrenheit 911 and think it espouses anything closely approximating reality.

Have we so blurred the lines between actual news and entertainment that people can no longer tell the difference? It is a sad commentary on our times that people still believe the movie despite the fact that most of the mainstream news programs, dozens of reporters have written articles and entire web sites have devoted themselves to proving the many lies found in the movie. Several reporters have said it is easier finding falsehoods in the movie than finding a single bit of truth in it.

A few major falsehoods are as follows:

Moore insinuates that President Bush signed an order which permitted the Osama bin Laden family to leave the United States after 9/11. The person who signed that order and took full responsibility was actually the former Clinton administration terrorism czar, Richard Clarke, as we learned when watching him testify before the 9/11 Commission. Further, despite Moore's assertion that the family was permitted to leave without being questioned by law enforcement, the 9/11 Commission learned that the FBI did question the family members before they were permitted to leave the country for their own safety.

The Patriot Act is so despised by leftists like Moore that I'm rather surprised he would even suggest that over 100 family members, most of whom were estranged from OBL, should be held in the country against their will.

Moore insinulates that the Taliban met with Bush in Texas and the war in Afghanistan was to help Unocal Corporation build a pipeline in that country. He is apparently unaware that the Taliban never met with Bush but were invited to Houston by Unocal and that the visit was approved by the Clinton administration which met with the Taliban twice in 1997 and 1998. Additionally, the Associated Press reports that Unoral withdrew from planning to build the Afghanistan pipeline in 1998.

Moore claims there was no relationship between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, ignoring the fact on November 4, 1998 the Clinton administration obtained an indictment against Osama bin Laden in federal court which specifically mentioned the terrorist's connections with Saddam this way:
"In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the Government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq."

Additionally, despite some initial mis-reporting by the press, the 9/11 Commission reports have detailed many connections between the terrorist and Saddam but they could find no operational role in 9/11 between AQ and Iraq. Even that was countered a few days later by the two 9/11 Commission Co-Chairmen when they said that a high ranking member of Iraq's Fedayeen military was present during at least one pre-9/11 planning meeting.

The list of falsehoods in the movie is a long one and does not distinguish Moore or those who get their "news" from the entertainment industry.


3 posted on 07/05/2004 12:34:05 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To Unocal: Hearing Mr. Moore's allegations has lowered my opinion of Unocal and will affect my dealings with you in the future. Feel free to show this post to a libel lawyer.
4 posted on 07/05/2004 12:36:15 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: Shermy
In August 1998, Unocal ended its active participation...

As I've said many times, this project was pretty much dead for most of 1998 & we closed up the Ashgabat office & left in August, 1998.

At the same time, or very shortly thereafter, Unocal closed their offices in Tashkent, Almaty, Islamabad, and reduced their Baku office to only a couple of local personnel.

Moore & anyone who believes his BS is an idiot.

5 posted on 07/05/2004 12:36:55 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Shermy
One of the Greatest Films of all Time!!!

I Loved it!!

-Osama Bin Laden

Four Stars!!!!

I Haven't had this much fun at the movies since Blackhawk Down!!!!

-Mullah Omar

6 posted on 07/05/2004 12:38:03 PM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: Shermy
Furthermore, while we were in T-stan, the CentGas & CentOil projects had the full support of the Clinton Administration.
7 posted on 07/05/2004 12:39:36 PM PDT by gubamyster
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If I was an owner of Unocal (i.e., held any shares), I would be all over my management team to file suit against his largeness for his attack against the assets of my company (i.e. its good name). Too bad the market is closed today.


11 posted on 07/05/2004 12:43:23 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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To: Shermy

In a land where the idiots have gained control of the media-the idiots view will be hearlded, so loudly that rationality will seem to be mute or non-existant.

It's a delusion, but extremely hazardous to reality, for the duration of the blackout of truth.


12 posted on 07/05/2004 12:45:56 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (John Kerry-Mr. everyman-Mr everyman born with a manure shovel full of buttered lobster in his mouth.)
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To: Shermy
Contra Moore, I don't think Unocal had anything to do with Bush's Afghanistan policy; but--and here's something I'm sure Moore doesn't get into--Unocal's relation to Clinton's Afghanistan policy in the mid-1990s I find more interesting:

Terrorists had a friend in Clinton White House called Robin

Rep. ROHRABACHER (1999) -- How the Clinton Administration brought the Taliban to power

14 posted on 07/05/2004 1:09:11 PM PDT by Fedora (Kerryman, Kerryman, does whatever a ketchup can/Spins a lie, any size, catches wives just like flies)
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