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A new space service?
The Space Review ^ | 07/05/04 | Taylor Dinerman

Posted on 07/05/2004 6:47:46 PM PDT by KevinDavis

The latest and most serious call for a separate military space service is in this month’s issue of the US Naval Institute’s magazine, Proceedings, the US Navy’s principal professional journal. Written by Franz Gayl, a recently retired Marine Corps major, the article makes the case that the Air Force, due to perfectly natural institutional prejudices, is failing in its role as the executive agent for National Security Space or, as he refers to it, NSS. (Presumably, he does not know that there is another NSS out there.) This is an important article for several reasons. It is the first article in Proceedings calling for a separate service. It comes at a time when the Air Force’s management of some major space programs is under heavy and skeptical scrutiny. Also, there are growing calls in Congress and elsewhere for a national debate on space weaponization.

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TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airforce; goliath; space; spaceforce
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Looks like a formation of a space force is about to happen.
1 posted on 07/05/2004 6:47:47 PM PDT by KevinDavis
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To: RightWhale; Brett66; xrp; gdc314; sionnsar; *Space; anymouse; RadioAstronomer; NonZeroSum; ...

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2 posted on 07/05/2004 6:48:37 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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Geez, we've already got Stargate Command, forming another military space service seems redundant....


3 posted on 07/05/2004 6:51:28 PM PDT by Strategerist
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There is no reason the Air Force should be or should have been extended to patrols of outer space. It would be natural for the Navy to undertake these tasks.


4 posted on 07/05/2004 6:53:49 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: RightWhale

I disagree I think the Air Force can handle the job better. Navy to me is more of sea based service..


5 posted on 07/05/2004 6:57:19 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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I disagree I think the Air Force can handle the job better. Navy to me is more of sea based service..

A mailing list which I'm on has discussed this.

The consensus was that which branch should handle it will depend on typical mission length. The navy has experience at handling multi week/multi month missions. On the other hand the air force is most skilled at multi-hour missions. Will the typical military space mission be a long time is space or a launch/couple of orbits/land operation?

6 posted on 07/05/2004 7:01:46 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (If life gives you lemons, make lemonade. Warm & sour lemonade because life didn't give ice & sugar.)
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To: KevinDavis

Here's the thinking: Air Force operates short missions. Navy goes to sea in ships for extended periods. Probably the Army will reabsorb the Air Force eventually or the Navy will take over Air Force functions. This will occur especially as human pilots are taken out of service in favor of robot control. A true Space Force would involve ships. Ships means Navy.


7 posted on 07/05/2004 7:01:50 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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Shines the name, shines the name of Roger Young.


8 posted on 07/05/2004 7:03:06 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: KevinDavis
Who operates the biggest pieces of metal and with large crew sized ... US NAVY ... give them that job.

Deep space warfare will be far closer to naval warfare than anything the Air Force has ever done.

9 posted on 07/05/2004 7:04:59 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Many a law, many a commandment have I broken, but my word never.)
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To: KarlInOhio; All

Maybe had the Navy/Air Force capabilites combined into a single branch.. Hence the United States Space Force.


10 posted on 07/05/2004 7:10:05 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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Being in a spacecraft on a long mission more closely resembles being in a submarine than being in a fighter jet.

Plus, how else are we going to have space ships named "Enterprise"?

11 posted on 07/05/2004 7:12:21 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: RightWhale

All the speculation of a hundred years of science fiction indicates that the culture and tradition of the Navy will be that of the space force.

All space terminology in science fiction, including personnel rank names comes from naval origins.

Examples: hull, bulkhead, midshipman, commander, admiral, "all ahead full"


12 posted on 07/05/2004 7:14:40 PM PDT by edwin hubble
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To: RightWhale

not too much air in space


13 posted on 07/05/2004 7:19:12 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: KevinDavis

Wouldn't this be slightly premature, given our basic dearth of long distance/duration vehicles (other than the ISS, which I'm not sure is particularly ammenable to military functions)? I mean, we haven't even got credible manned lunar capability right now, so a 'space force' seems a little silly.

-SV


14 posted on 07/05/2004 7:22:15 PM PDT by Saturn_V
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I can't believe they are still in the discussing stage. The space force should have been started in the 70's so we could we be well ahead of the curve.


15 posted on 07/05/2004 7:31:02 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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This battle isn't new. The attempt to unify our military goes back to the 50's. The Thor, (Air Force), Jupiter, (Army), rockets were similar in their specs but the services insisted that the designs be unique. The Thor and Juptier engines had the same thrust but were not interchangeable. Why? They were Rocketdyne engines but the plumbing was different because the Service Engineers designed them with different plumbing. I remember this story in the Parade Magazine of that era that went on and on about the inability of the services to get along. It was called interservice rivalry.

Then there's the Navy. It has its own Army, (Marines) and two Air Force Branchs (Naval Air and Marine Air). For the longest time each had its own Training Command and Communications Services.

Of Course, they have their own Academies and therein lies the final institutional bias.

Maybe we need to adopt Roddenberry's idea. "The Academy" is on the Moon and Star Fleet is Star Fleet! Set Phasers to stun!

16 posted on 07/05/2004 7:37:51 PM PDT by Young Werther
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. . . a Space Corps will be obviously needed once there are sufficient national assets in space to defend.

IMO, we need a Space Corps now to defend assets on the ground and on the high seas.

I'm glad to see this is getting some air. We should seize space, deny it to all other comers, destroy their satellites and any installations on the ground meant to counter our assets in space. Why? Because we can and because we would come out on top after any such skirmishing.

Yes, others can and will claim that it's an act of war. But who in their right mind wants to declare war on us?

Obviously, we would be maneuvering for predominance in space if we weren't the world's only superpower, just as nations once maneuvered for advantage at sea. But since we ARE the world's only superpower, we should simply seize space to solidify that position. It'd be a freebee. IMHO.

17 posted on 07/05/2004 7:46:48 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: KevinDavis

The first Shuttle was named Enterprise...therefore...can their be no doubt...Starfleet will be the name of our space force?


18 posted on 07/05/2004 8:52:55 PM PDT by JediForce (A JEDI MUST HAVE THE DEEPEST COMMITMENT, THE MOST SERIOUS MIND (YODA))
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To: KevinDavis

shwinnnnnnggggg!

been saying we oughtta turn space over to the glow-in-tha-dark bubbleheads for years now.


19 posted on 07/05/2004 9:04:01 PM PDT by King Prout (Viggo Bozodozeus is your friend... Viggo Bozodozeus deserves all trust... submit to Viggo Bozodozeus)
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To: KevinDavis
As an Air Force veteran of Space Division, I always thought that the future would see a transition of space activities from the Air Force to the Navy, when long endurance missions involving large crew in spaceships, became routine. After all, the Navy has had hundreds of years of experience with "ships", so why not those operating in space?

However, this is counting our chickens before they hatch - dividing nonexistent spoils. We are NOWHERE in manned spaceflight....and languishing there fast. The national will to get out there and do something in space has frittered away to nothing. And we're now down to three fat albatrosses which are currently as airworthy as pink or white elephants.

We're gonna need a buncha Burt Rutan's to show the way to routine and economical space access, or hope for an alien Pearl Harbor to galvanize a renewed space initiative.

20 posted on 07/05/2004 9:20:43 PM PDT by guitfiddlist (Hate is a DNC Family Value)
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