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Kerry's abortion stance dogs him in visit
Fairmont Sentinel (MN) ^ | 7/5/04

Posted on 07/06/2004 7:05:53 AM PDT by madprof98

DUBUQUE, Iowa -- John Kerry's pro-choice stance on abortion dogged him during his Fourth of July visit to this heavily Catholic city.

The Democratic presidential candidate on Sunday attended mass at the Church of the Resurrection in Dubuque, sat in the fourth pew, donated a crisp $20 bill to the church during collection, and received Communion.

But several churchgoers separately quizzed Kerry about his legislative support for abortion rights after Mass on Sunday when Kerry was signing autographs and posing for pictures with congregation members.

"It's hard," Kerry told parishioner Frank Ward, a father of five and an abortion opponent. "It's a difficult line to walk."

Kerry told another man in the lobby of the church that "I'm against partial birth abortion," even though he voted against banning the procedure six times in the Senate. Kerry said he would have voted for the ban if it included an exception to allow the procedure if it was necessary to protect the health of the mother.

"They did it for a political reason," Kerry said of Republicans who backed the measure, which passed last fall in the Senate 64-34 with support from several Democrats after years of debate. "They tried to drive home the politics of it."

In an interview with the Telegraph Herald newspaper published Sunday, Kerry said: "I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception. But I can't take my Catholic belief, article of faith, and legislate it on a Protestant or a Jew or an atheist ... We have separation of church and state in the United States of America."

Republicans quickly seized on Kerry's remarks as more evidence that he flip-flops on issues, telling different voters what they want to hear. President Bush's campaign pointed out that Kerry received a 100 percent ranking in 2002 from NARAL Pro-Choice America.

Campaign aides say they believe the interview marked the first time Kerry, the first major presidential candidate who is Catholic since John F. Kennedy, specifically said he believed life begins at conception.

However, he's consistently said his views on abortion are the same as the Roman Catholic Church, which believes life begins at conception.

"He's always said he doesn't believe in abortion, but these are his convictions that he can't enforce on others," said Stephanie Cutter, a Kerry spokeswoman. "He's pro-choice and believes that abortion should be safe, legal and rare."

Later Sunday at a parade in Cascade, several residents donned Bush-Cheney stickers and one woman held a sign which read, "Defend pro-life, public and private."

"I was initially surprised to hear that John Kerry says he hates coming to places like Dubuque," said Iowa state Sen. Julie Hosch, R-Cascade, in a statement released by the Bush campaign. "But it's not hard to figure out why the Senate's most liberal member -- who has voted at least six times against banning partial birth abortion -- would be happier in Nantucket and Georgetown."

As Kerry's motorcade left the Field of Dreams in Dyersville, one woman held a sign reading "No more dead babies."


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1 posted on 07/06/2004 7:05:54 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: madprof98
$20 X 52 Weeks = $1,040 / $500,000,000 = 0.0002% of family assets. Way to go Senator!
2 posted on 07/06/2004 7:10:03 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mullahs swinging from lamp posts.....)
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To: madprof98
Teresa Heinz Kerry said she had an abortion because the child in her womb was a "monster." I think that's about all I need to know about Lurch and the Ketchup Queen.
3 posted on 07/06/2004 7:10:49 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: madprof98; Mia T
Social/cultural issues will be Kerry's demise, as well as his economic socialism and appeasement policy toward America's enemies.
4 posted on 07/06/2004 7:11:28 AM PDT by jla (http://www.ronaldreaganmemorial.com/memorial_fund.asp)
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To: madprof98

He's already said he will only support pro-choice judges for the bench.


5 posted on 07/06/2004 7:11:48 AM PDT by no more apples (God Bless our troops)
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To: madprof98; Malesherbes; narses

He should start worrying about being "dogged" by it in the afterlife.


6 posted on 07/06/2004 7:13:08 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: madprof98

I don't understand how a Catholic has a hard time with Mr Kerry-the choice about life is cut and dry. The reason this country is having such a difficulty is because Christians are not voting for Godly candidates-they become deceived by the lie of the democrats and party lines. I personally would be greatly offended if Mr Kerry were allowed to sit comfortably in my church as a candidate with the support of the leadership of that church-if he wants to come to church and hear the gospel that's different. Yet, some would say I cannot judge his intention in going to the church--to that I say look at the fruit of his actions and see how the word of God has impacted those actions.


7 posted on 07/06/2004 7:14:33 AM PDT by truthingod
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To: madprof98

Hey here's another good idea....he can be Jewish down in Florida and Catholic in Massachusetts.


8 posted on 07/06/2004 7:15:29 AM PDT by Lady GOP
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To: Malesherbes
Teresa Heinz Kerry said she had an abortion because the child in her womb was a "monster."

Oohh...this is new to me. Do you have the source?

9 posted on 07/06/2004 7:15:31 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Malesherbes
Teresa Heinz Kerry said she had an abortion because the child in her womb was a "monster."

Do you have a link? I would love to email that to my wife's annoyingly pro-Teresa aunt.

10 posted on 07/06/2004 7:15:58 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: madprof98

He says he can't "legislate" his own "personal beliefs?"

If not, why on earth is he a politician?


11 posted on 07/06/2004 7:16:06 AM PDT by Guillermo (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad)
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To: Malesherbes

Teresa Heinz Kerry never had an abortion (or has admitted to doing so publicly).

She ended up miscarrying prior.


12 posted on 07/06/2004 7:17:20 AM PDT by Guillermo (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad)
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To: madprof98

So if he believes that life begins at conception, he must be pro-murder. What other conclusion is there? That's it's life, but not really life? Or that mothers get a special murder privilege?

We legislate morality all the time. That's why we outlaw murder, not to mention why we pass laws against child abuse, stealing, voter fraud, etc. What a weak-kneed loon the Dims have offered up.

Someone needs to ask him if he thinks abortion is murder, based on his recent "life-begins-at-conception" revelation. He'd need to have the anitseptic mind of 1930's intellectual Germany to believe an embryo is human life but to allow its destruction. That's not like any Catholic teaching I know if.


13 posted on 07/06/2004 7:17:34 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Lord Kerry demands ... a shrubbery!)
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To: Guillermo
I'm against partial birth abortion," even though he voted against banning the procedure six times in the Senate.

What the hell does that mean ?

14 posted on 07/06/2004 7:17:55 AM PDT by Lady GOP
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To: madprof98
Kerry speaks to these Catholic parishioners as if they were dolts.

Everyone who cares about the murder of the unborn knows the difference between an exception for the life of the mother and an exception for "the health of the mother."

Who was the Judas priest who communicated this ghoul?

15 posted on 07/06/2004 7:19:12 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: madprof98
"I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception. But I can't take my Catholic belief, article of faith, and legislate it on a Protestant or a Jew or an atheist ... We have separation of church and state in the United States of America."

Ah, of course! As a Christian, I believe that stealing is wrong because it's against the Ten Commandments. But I suppose we should repeal all laws against stealing, because a Christian might site the Bible in advocating a law against it, and I wouldn't want to offend an atheist.

John Kerry is a hypocrite. That reasoning is paper-thin, and is a useful way to appear to be faithful when he is not. In fact, he is an aggressive humanist, and wishes to remake society in his image.

16 posted on 07/06/2004 7:21:50 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Brad Cloven
20 bucks is all he gives???? This is like giving a penny for most of us! What a phony cheapskate and why is he letting people see what he gives?? Why is the Church still giving him Communion??

Pray for W and Our Shining City

17 posted on 07/06/2004 7:22:13 AM PDT by bray (Yaaaawn Tax , Tax , Tax & Kerry wants your paycheck!)
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To: Guillermo

Excellent point!


18 posted on 07/06/2004 7:23:14 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: wideawake
Here is a link to the Teresa Heinze Kerry story on her planned abortion: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1127636/posts

Apparently she was planning on having an abortion because her baby might be a "monster" but miscarried before she got to the abortionist.

19 posted on 07/06/2004 7:36:56 AM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: Lady GOP
Hey here's another good idea....he can be Jewish down in Florida and Catholic in Massachusetts.

During his gubernatorial campaign in southern Louisiana, Huey Long was advised to play to the Roman Catholicism of many of the voters. Accordingly, he opened his first speech with the following words:

"When I was a boy, I would get up at six o'clock in the morning on Sunday, and I would hitch our old horse up to the buggy and I would take my Catholic grandparents to mass. I would bring them home, and at ten o'clock I would hitch the old horse up again, and I would take my Baptist grandparents to church."

"Why, Huey," the advisor later remarked, "you've been holding out on us. I didn't know you had any Catholic grandparents." "Don't be a damn fool," Long replied. "We didn't even have a horse!"

20 posted on 07/06/2004 7:38:53 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement.)
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To: madprof98
"I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception. But I can't take my Catholic belief, article of faith, and legislate it on a Protestant or a Jew or an atheist ... We have separation of church and state in the United States of America."

Senator Kerry, you say you cannot force Catholic belief on Protestants or Jews or Atheists becuase of separation of church and state. Does that mean you intend to repeal the laws against murder? After all, isn't Thou Shalt Not Murder just an old Jewish concept that has been legislated into American law? I suspect that law really upsets the Mohammedans who believe murdering infidels is a blessed act.

Senator Kerry, do you believe the concept that life begins at conception is only a Catholic belief? I always thought it was a proven biological fact. After all, a fertilized human egg always results in the creation of another human being unless the fetus is killed. Or are you saying because it was Father Gregor Mendel who pioneered the science of genetics and because he was Catholic, that any concept based upon heredity is is Catholic?

21 posted on 07/06/2004 7:44:32 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: madprof98
Kerry said he would have voted for the ban if it included an exception to allow the procedure if it was necessary to protect the health of the mother.

An open question to Mr. kerry --- After the child has been rotated within the mother's womb so it is forced to be "born" breech, and after the child has exited feet first to the point where only its head remains inside the mother's womb, and after the "doctor" restrains the child from further exiting to keep it from taking its first independent breath - at what time is it needed to pierce the baby's skull and remove its brain to protect the health/life of the mother? You pathetic sleeze!
22 posted on 07/06/2004 7:49:11 AM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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Hey . . . we can play the word games as well as anyone.

I'd be willing to bet that I could convince EVERY conservative that they too are Pro-Choice.

1. Yes, we believe the mother has a choice.
2. But her choice doesn't trump the choice of the father. He too has a choice.
3. As do ALL the direct family members.
4. As does the fetus.

Since the child-in-waiting can't make his or her choice known while in the womb . . . it's only fair to put off the final decision until this vote can be tallied as well. Don't Libbers always accuse us Conservatives of "blocking the votes of the oppressed?" What entity can be more oppressed than a living fetus trapped in the womb of a mother who wants to kill it? Hey . . . We're just trying to stand up for the oppressed.

Lastly, since we're talking about ending a human life, the vote should be unanimous before any action is taken. Don't 12 jurors have to unanimously agree on the death penalty?

I rest my case . . . this Pro-Lifer is also Pro-Choice. I'll bet most of you are as well. It just depends on what the definition of "is" is.

23 posted on 07/06/2004 8:04:49 AM PDT by geedee (Has anyone ever seen Lurch and Jane Hathaway in the same room?)
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To: madprof98

**John Kerry's pro-choice stance on abortion dogged him during his Fourth of July visit to this heavily Catholic city.**

This CINO does not represent the Catholic point of view.


24 posted on 07/06/2004 8:13:46 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

**He should start worrying about being "dogged" by it in the afterlife.**

Good line!


25 posted on 07/06/2004 8:15:14 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: madprof98; *Catholic_list; father_elijah; nickcarraway; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Siobhan; Lady In Blue; ...
Catholic Discussion Ping!

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26 posted on 07/06/2004 8:16:56 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: madprof98
However, he's consistently said his views on abortion are the same as the Roman Catholic Church, which believes life begins at conception.

No, that's not the relevant teaching of the Catholic Church. The relevant teaching of the Catholic Church is that it is the OBLIGATION of the state to give equal protection of the law to ALL HUMAN BEINGS--which means it is Kerry's obligation to vote AGAINST all the things he votes for, and to vote FOR all the things he has been voting against. And it is the obligation of all Catholics to vote against Kerry.

Kerry is a deceitful, violent, corrupt, hypocritical scumbag. Catholics are not supposed to vote scumbags into public office.

27 posted on 07/06/2004 8:17:09 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: wideawake

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28 posted on 07/06/2004 8:23:44 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Salvation

"I believe this is murder, and I fully support the American system that won't let me legislate or act politically to end these crimes."

What an ass this John Faux Kerry is.


29 posted on 07/06/2004 8:24:48 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Do you know anything about their local ordinary?


30 posted on 07/06/2004 8:25:51 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: madprof98
"He's always said he doesn't believe in abortion, but these are his convictions that he can't enforce on others," said Stephanie Cutter, a Kerry spokeswoman.

"He's always said he doesn't believe in [terrorism], but these are his convictions that he can't enforce on others," said Stephanie Cutter, a Kerry spokeswoman.

31 posted on 07/06/2004 8:30:25 AM PDT by rabidralph (My pit bull drives an SUV.)
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Kerry cited in Catholic heresy case

MEDIA SUING TO OPEN KERRY'S SEALED DIVORCE PAPERS

More Bias and spin in the many newspaper articles to protect the liberal democrat. Kerry provided NO evidence of an annulment and he was married to Heinz, his second wife worth Billions,  in the back yard of a home on Martha's Vineyard which is not ordinarily allowed for Catholics and there is also NO evidence of any RC priest who married them.

I wish the reporters would question him for the truth. Dream on.

Teresa on the Stump, Teresa Heinz Kerry, from Mozambique, PRO-ABORTION Catholic, UN Employee, etc.

Teresa Heinz Kerry, Drummond Pike and the Communist TIDES FOUNDATION

The Bible and homosexuality [Kerry thinks the bible is for homosexuality]

Kerry’s Dirty Deeds (How, pray tell, do they comport with religious belief

Vatican Worries About Kerry

John Kerry and Unborn Victims

Catholic Pro-Abortion, Pro-Homosexual

Catholic and 100% Pro Abortion

Catholics Kerry and Kennedy have a 100% Pro-homosexual Record with the Human Rights Campaign! Page 10,11

CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
DOCTRINAL NOTE
on some questions regarding
The Participation of Catholics in Political Life

Living the Gospel of Life:
A Challenge to American Catholics

A Statement by the Catholic Bishops of the United States

Faithful Citizenship:
Civic Responsibility for a New Millennium

Canon Law and Abortion

Sign Petition: To  Excommunicate Pro-Abortion Catholic Politicians

The Gospel of Life--Evangelium Vitae

Herod's Heroes, Sign Petition

Kerry, Candidate and Catholic, Creates Uneasiness for Church

A Primer on Canon 915 Can. 915 Those upon whom the penalty of excommunication or interdict has been imposed or declared, and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are not to be admitted to holy communion

Excommunicate Kerry Website

Catholics Against Kerry

1400 Ecclesial communities derived from the Reformation and separated from the Catholic Church, "have not preserved the proper reality of the Eucharistic mystery in its fullness, especially because of the absence of the sacrament of Holy Orders."236 It is for this reason that Eucharistic intercommunion with these communities is not possible for the Catholic Church. However these ecclesial communities, "when they commemorate the Lord's death and resurrection in the Holy Supper . . . profess that it signifies life in communion with Christ and await his coming in glory."237

Can.  844 §1. Catholic ministers administer the sacraments licitly to Catholic members of the Christian faithful alone, who likewise receive them licitly from Catholic ministers alone, without prejudice to the prescripts of §§2, 3, and 4 of this canon, and ⇒ can. 861, §2.

Sin to vote for pro-abortion politicians?
By Father Matthew Habiger, OSB

Kerry Will Hold Pro-Abortion Rally Prior to Sunday's Abortion March

32 posted on 07/06/2004 8:33:47 AM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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33 posted on 07/06/2004 8:35:33 AM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Malesherbes

Good Lord, no wonder the Dims love Theresa so much--she admits to killing her unborn handicapped child!


34 posted on 07/06/2004 8:39:10 AM PDT by RooRoobird14 ("I thank God every day for President George W. Bush")
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To: madprof98
J F'n K: 'I oppose the idea of abortion but I support the practice of it.'
35 posted on 07/06/2004 8:46:50 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: Brad Cloven

effin's rationale for killing unborn babies was that due to "separation of church and state", he couldn't "impose his beliefs on Protestants or Jews". As usual, this attempt to be on all sides of every issue is completely irrational. If his argument were a viable one, he would have to apply it to other issues and people of other faiths. For instance, he would not be able to impose his views on radical islamists who believe in the "eye for an eye" adage, therefor he would have to pass legislation that allows people to chop each others hands off, or poke each other's eyes out. Also, he would have to vote to allow people to marry multiple partners, after all, who is he to tell them they can't? And let's not forget stealing, heck, if we don't listen to God's commandment "Thou shalt not steal", what reason do we have not to? Why not have a new law that says if I want it, and I saw it first, its mine. Or if I'm bigger and stronger than you, and I can take it from you, its mine.

Obviously, any civilized society's laws are based on the Big Ten given to us by God's own Hand. "Thou shalt not kill" is way near the top of the list, right after the ones about honoring, and not mocking, our Creator. If that feckless, flipflopping, disingenuous, metrosexual dandy really believed that unborn babies are babies, he would be obligated by conscience to vote to protect their unstained and innocent lives from senseless murder. And if he doesn't have a conscience, then he needs to be under the care of a psychological professional immediately, because that would mean he is a sociopath. (See description here http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/artcls/socio.htm - notice parallels to f'n's behaviors, at least those we have been privvy to hearing about.) Either way, his defense of his record holds no water, particularly his vote ****against**** the Laci and Connor's Law (Unborn Victims of Violence Act, I believe is the official name.) In that case, he voted to protect a felonious criminal's "right to choose", should he choose to kill a pregnant woman and her baby.

Give me a break! I think if jfk ever actually spoke the truth, his considerably large head would explode. He sickens me.


36 posted on 07/06/2004 9:42:54 AM PDT by VRWCer ("He was pierced for our transgressions... and by His stripes, we are healed." -Isaiah 53:5-6)
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To: madprof98
You know this whole story has at least one good ray of light peeking out of the gray clouds. Just one ray, it may not be much but it gives me just a smidgen of hope.

Who would have thought any Demoncrat would say anything near this one year ago. Abortion on demand is such a sacred cow to the party of death, what Kerry said is like spitting the Eucharist at the priest during Mass to a Catholic.

Could it be possible the Demoncrats see this issue will cost them election after election if they can not carve out some "middle ground"? It will all be a smoke screen but it is a start, maybe, sorta, ??????
37 posted on 07/06/2004 1:56:31 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: Guillermo

Re: "He says he can't "legislate" his own "personal beliefs?"

Yeah right lets see this applied to the party platform on other issues such as.... say....gun legislation? Hummmmm


38 posted on 07/06/2004 1:58:21 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: madprof98
You always here from the liberal, "Pro-Choice" and "It's a woman's right to choose!"

When will someone ask one of these liberals the question, "What choice do you think those little women in the womb would make?"

39 posted on 07/06/2004 2:03:28 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: madprof98
The Democratic presidential candidate on Sunday attended mass at the Church of the Resurrection in Dubuque, sat in the fourth pew, donated a crisp $20 bill to the church during collection, and received Communion.

What a freakin' cheapskate!

40 posted on 07/06/2004 2:04:19 PM PDT by Studebaker Hawk ( (fill in the blank) more than I need; not as many as I want.)
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To: wideawake

Here is the link about her 'abortion'. She had apparently scheduled the procedure, but miscarried instead.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/7/5/142853.shtml


41 posted on 07/06/2004 2:11:19 PM PDT by NathanR (Santiago!)
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To: Malesherbes
Teresa Heinz Kerry said she had an abortion because the child in her womb was a "monster."

Good Lord. It's chilling to think that this person could be our next First Lady.

42 posted on 07/06/2004 5:16:05 PM PDT by giotto
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To: wideawake

I don't think I know anything about him. What's his name?


43 posted on 07/06/2004 10:24:56 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

Jerome Hanus, OSB.


44 posted on 07/07/2004 5:07:11 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake

Well, that "OSB" means he's guilty until proven innocent, in my view.


45 posted on 07/07/2004 10:42:04 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

LOL, through my tears.


46 posted on 07/07/2004 11:15:02 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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"We have separation of church and state in the United States of America."

But that doesn't mean separation of state and morality! It doesn't mean separation of all thoughts of what is good and right and true, from entering state buildings and legislation!


47 posted on 07/08/2004 6:26:48 PM PDT by gentlestrength
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To: madprof98
I don't think he'll be back there anytime soon.
48 posted on 07/08/2004 6:34:48 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("With the Great White Buffalo, he's gonna make a final stand" - Ted Nugent)
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To: Lady GOP
I'm against partial birth abortion," even though he voted against banning the procedure six times in the Senate.What the hell does that mean ?

He said he's against outsourcing too but voted for that too. It's always "Opposite Day" with him.

49 posted on 07/08/2004 6:38:56 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("With the Great White Buffalo, he's gonna make a final stand" - Ted Nugent)
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To: madprof98; Petronski

A whole $20.
JMJ


50 posted on 07/08/2004 6:40:38 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry/Edwards: It's the hair, stupid.)
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