Posted on 07/07/2004 4:37:59 PM PDT by Grig
And the interesting thing about it is that the author himself is gay. And not in a Roy Cohn self-hating way either.
That is interesting. It's too bad non-homosexuals can't report the same information without all the name calling.
A little yogurt given several times a day will help clear this up.
Purely from a health-related standpoint, what will it take to convince people that this type of behavior is simply not a good idea? Did people not get the message from their mothers?
"Don't put that in your (fill in the blank)! You don't know where it's been!"
Sheesh!
Augmentin? I always groaned when they gave that to my son, but Amoxicillin stopped working.
lead article and this post by Bryan are solid.
I'm not inclined to interact with you on these threads anymore.
For one, you seem to consistently misattribute attitudes to me that I don't harbor. I've never implied that the homosexual community are the paragon of sexual virtue. Information like this should be heeded and hopefully will be heeded. The fact that a gay writer is bringing light to the subject disproves the implication that the gay community is indifferent to it all.
The overuse of antibiotics, and the bacterial resistence that goes along with it, has been a concern of doctors for at least 20 years now. That is a problem whose blame cannot be pinned on any one demographic. The blame lies with patients who demand antibiotics even when they have a viral infection, doctors who prescribe them simply to appease the demands of patients, and careless consumers who pass around antibiotics to others for whom they're not prescribed or don't follow the prescribed course of treatment.
Probably what disappoints me most, and I hope I'm wrong, is that you seem to take delight in any news like this, anything that provides ammo you can use to vilify homosexuals. That to me doesn't seem to embody the compassion of Christianity, it reflects obsession and vindictiveness.
He doesn't eat food yet. And the Augmentin is making him spew, too. I'll be calling the doctor again as soon as they open this morning.
I'm sorry to hear that. The CDC, as documented in Men Who Have Sex With Men supports what many of us have said in regards to the unhealthy homosexual lifestyle. How can I know your position if you refuse to comment on articles from the CDC or any article that cites the CDC?
For one, you seem to consistently misattribute attitudes to me that I don't harbor.
Please, sir. You were pinged here because the article supports a lot of what I've said the past couple of days that you don't want to talk about, not even when the source is the CDC.
The fact that a gay writer is bringing light to the subject disproves the implication that the gay community is indifferent to it all.
That's just more spin. Did you even read the article? The homosexual community apparently is indifferent to it all, as the homosexual writer states:
What does all this mean? It means that in 2003, more than 34 years after Stonewall, 22 years after AIDS was discovered, and after two decades and tens of millions of dollars have been invested in HIV prevention campaigns and safe-sex messages, the gay community is still a bastion of disease and unhealthiness.And on and on it goes.In Seattle and other gay centers, gay men are still getting infected with HIV and contracting other STDs at higher rates than any other group.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), gay men are largely responsible for the fact that syphilis, which seemed on its way out of existence in this country, is now resurgent.
And although we have new drugs that help those of us with HIV live longer, many of us seem to be intent upon using the existence of these drugs as an excuse to re-create the conditions that allowed AIDS to flourish in the gay community in the first place: high rates of multipartnerism, high rates of unsafe sex, high rates of drug and alcohol use.
One homosexual writer telling it like it is does not disprove the homosexual community is indifferent to it all.
Probably what disappoints me most, and I hope I'm wrong, is that you seem to take delight in any news like this, anything that provides ammo you can use to vilify homosexuals.
Please, sir. In the very post I pinged you to I said this was "Sad news" and I repeatedly state my position on the matter. But that doesn't seem to matter to you, as you're only interest appears to be denigrating anybody who doesn't accept the homosexual lifestyle.
When the messenger posts information you apparently don't want others to see, you attack the messenger.
The homosexual lifestyle is unhealthy and even the CDC supports this fact.
That to me doesn't seem to embody the compassion of Christianity, it reflects obsession and vindictiveness.
I have absolutely no problem with folks reading my profile and your profile, along with my posts and your posts to see exactly from where we're both coming.
And you, a professing Christian, still refuse to comment on what the Bible says about homosexuality in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.
It has been proven that gay men have a life expectancy 14-20 years shorter than other men, and that their sexual practices have led to several fatal diseases, at rates many times higher than in the general population. Prudent public policy would mandate a campaign similar to the campaign against smoking, but 2-3 times as vigorous.
Nonsense. If you knew anything about logic, you would be familiar with the principle that a single counterexample suffices to refute a blanket assertion.
No such thing has been proven and to say as much you only reveal your ignorance or naiveté. You're drinking the same Kool Aid and reading the same discredited reports as scripter.
You guys would be much more convincing, and certainly earn my respect, if you would rely on factual data rather than the urban legends propagated by Paul Cameron. You would certainly earn my respect if you would not be so intransigent and admit that their might be the slightest methodological flaws to Cameron's data (the flaws and methodological analysis is well documented). But no, you insist, quite laughably, that his data is squeeky clean and unimpeachable. It makes my eyes roll.
Homosexual Agenda Ping - More on deadly diseases and the "gay" life. Sure is gay, isn't it?
Easy prevention, as mentioned in the first post. Such advice used to be considered basic guidelines for human behavior. Maybe there were good reasons for such moral absolutes...
Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.
P.S. If anyone thinks that "gay" marriage is supposed to promote similar chastity among the homosexual community, tell me, and I'll post the quotes from prominent homosexual spokespeople again on what they really think about "gay" marriage.
Ugh, Serenity Now. I've spent an inordinate amount of time with you the last few days doing nothing BUT talking about all this from every perspective imaginable. Your allegation is preposterous.
In the very post I pinged you to I said this was "Sad news"
With a diplomatic qualifier, you nonetheless seem to hear this news with glee.
When the messenger posts information you apparently don't want others to see, you attack the messenger.
Oh, that takes the cake. You guys, in the face of overwhelming evidence that your sources are faulty, that Paul Cameron even called for the extermination of homosexuals, continue to insist it's not true. You are the kings of self-delusion. And some have attacked me for posting a letter, the authenticity of which is not disputed, simply for posting a letter that they don't want seen.
Get a mirror, man.
For more elucidation on tdadams' comments, check out the debate on this thread, it's an education in itself, especially from the 300's on. The comments in the 400's really take apart td's arguments against Cameron.
Happy reading!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1162993/posts
You said:
"...you seem to take delight in any news like this, anything that provides ammo you can use to vilify homosexuals. That to me doesn't seem to embody the compassion of Christianity, it reflects obsession and vindictiveness."
You're really tiring me with your position of being a pious Christian who supports the "gay" agenda, yet claiming you don't, and now bringing scripter's sincerely held beliefs into question, solely as an underhanded debating technique.
Of course scipter, EdRform and others who are opposed to the "gay" agenda are NOT happy by the bad news about disease. But to silence and hide bad news only encourages the illicit, immoral, and unnatural behavior that causes such diseases to spread.
Is it bad form to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater when there REALLY IS A FIRE? It's humane and compassionate to let real bad news be publicized, to warn people of real danger. It is false compassion, leading to more human suffering, to hide such bad news under the cloak of the "gay" agenda.
The CDC attributed the spike to a twelvefold rise in cases among gay and bisexual men, many of whom are also infected with the AIDS virus."
Once again, medical evidence shows sexual perversions do not go without consequence.
Un freakin believable. What alternate reality are you living in, man? The posts in the 400s are exactly the opposite of what you've stated. They thoroughly, finally show Paul Cameron for the fraud he is.
My allegations against Cameron HAVE NOT BEEN REFUTED. Not a bit, not in the slightest. Everything I posted in #400 is absolutely true and verified. The charges that it's not true are nothing more than that, charges. Not a bit of it has been disproven. Paul Cameron is a fraud, a liar, and in my opinion a sociopath.
You guys argue in bad faith and are absolutely shameless.
The report was published in the International Journal of Epidemiology, a respected, peer-reviewed medical journal published by Oxford University. Cameron had absolutely nothing to do with this research. You will find an abstract of the article here:
http://ije.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/26/3/657?maxt-show=&HITS=10
Your repeated attempts to blame all research and all medical facts that are inconvenient to the homosexual agenda on Cameron, and your repeated efforts to claim that those who disagree with you must be relying on Cameron, illustrate your panic and desperation.
I suggest the possibility that you are motivated more by your gay activism and your desire to bash those who disagree with the homosexual agenda, than by any belief in libertarian principles. For example, I don't recall seeing you espouse libertarian principles on the drug war threads, or the gun control threads. If I'm not mistaken, you have only claimed support for the noble libertarian ideal on gay rights threads.
Like scripter, I am very interested in your response, as a Christian, to I Corinthians 6:9-11.
And likewise Romans 1:24-32
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