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Good shrink could have tamed Stalin, saved millions: researcher
Yahoo ^ | 7/7/04 | AFP - London

Posted on 07/07/2004 6:59:08 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

LONDON (AFP) - Soviet dictator Stalin was a madman who could have benefited from a psychiatrist's attention and millions of lives could have been saved, a British researcher claimed.

Stalin, who ruled Russia from 1924 until his death in 1953, suffered from dementia caused by heart attacks, according to Dr George El-Nimr.

"This (Stalin's dementia) might be an explanation for the florid paranoia, dimming of his superior intellect and the unleashing of his most sadistic personality traits," Nimr told the annual conference of the Royal College of Psychiatrists in Harrogate in northern England.

Nimr and two colleagues, Dr Baseem Habeeb and Dr Emad Sulib, discussed the consequences of madness on the behaviour of several 20th century political leaders.

They argued that undiagnosed dementia could affect the fate of nations, even the world.

Millions are estimated to have died as the result of Stalin's policies and in purges.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Russia
KEYWORDS: psychiatry; researcher; shrink; stalin; tamed

Soviet dictator Stalin, seen here in a bust and a portraiti, was a madman who could have benefited from a psychiatrist's attention and millions of lives could have been saved, according to a British researcher(AFP/DDP/File)

Soviet dictator Stalin, seen here in a bust and a portraiti, was a madman who could have benefited from a psychiatrist's attention and millions of lives could have been saved, according to a British researcher(AFP/DDP/File)

The rehabilitation of the stellar icons of the left continues..


1 posted on 07/07/2004 6:59:09 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Good shrink could have tamed Stalin, saved millions,

Only if the shrink was named "Winchester" or "Remington".

2 posted on 07/07/2004 7:02:19 PM PDT by Mulder (To be born free is an accident,to live free is your duty,to die free is your obligation. Wm. Coulter)
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To: NormsRevenge
Getting a good shrink would have been no problem; its the getting Stalin on the couch that was the hard part.

Seems to me, the policy of building up our military, applied by Reagon, would probably have done the trick 30 years earlier if some leader was so inclined and able to do so.

3 posted on 07/07/2004 7:02:59 PM PDT by C210N
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To: NormsRevenge

Stalin was an inhuman butcher his whole life - just like every other one of the Soviet founders. The left constantly tries to lay the blame for Soviet communism's death toll on Stalin's supposed "insanity".

Lenin was no less the brute - he just died to early to kill as many as Stalin, and Trotsky was if anything MORE brutal then Stalin during his time under Lenin.

As long as the communist system was in place, tens of millions would have died no matter what.


4 posted on 07/07/2004 7:03:29 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (We always have been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France.")
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To: Mulder

I hear the Medical Offices of Heckler & Koch are pretty good also.


5 posted on 07/07/2004 7:03:36 PM PDT by Terpfen (James Lileks: "A single death... is a tragedy. A million deaths is a U.N. committee report.")
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To: NormsRevenge

"Good shrink could have tamed Stalin"

Most likely he would have ended up as a dead shrink.


6 posted on 07/07/2004 7:03:41 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: NormsRevenge

More leftist crap that continues to pretend that there is no such thing as evil, only dementia and mental problems in need of medical attention.


7 posted on 07/07/2004 7:04:01 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Terpfen
I hear the Medical Offices of Heckler & Koch are pretty good also.

A single 168-grain dose of lead would have cured the communist bastard of any 'disease' that he had.

8 posted on 07/07/2004 7:04:38 PM PDT by Mulder (To be born free is an accident,to live free is your duty,to die free is your obligation. Wm. Coulter)
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To: Lizavetta
More leftist crap that continues to pretend that there is no such thing as evil, only dementia and mental problems in need of medical attention.

If the leftists had their way, most of us who posted on this board would be in "mental rehab" institutions.

And murderers like Stalin would be running the show.

9 posted on 07/07/2004 7:06:10 PM PDT by Mulder (To be born free is an accident,to live free is your duty,to die free is your obligation. Wm. Coulter)
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To: NormsRevenge
How about this:

Communism breeds and rewards vicious sadists and power-mad despots by denying freedom in governance and economy.

Why is the psychiatrist always the least sane person in the room?

10 posted on 07/07/2004 7:07:03 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne
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To: NormsRevenge

Dr Georgie Patton had his cure...only we wouldnt listen...
Gen McArthur had the cure for Mao as well....and we wouldnt listen to him either...

What a different world it would have been.....with many fewer dead American soldiers...


11 posted on 07/07/2004 7:07:44 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: NormsRevenge
Soviet dictator Stalin was a madman who could have benefited from a psychiatrist's attention and millions of lives could have been saved, a British researcher claimed.

Right. Because we can all see how therapy has made the world a much better place.

/sarcasm

12 posted on 07/07/2004 7:08:15 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Euro-American Scum

Stalin would've driven the shrink nuts first.


13 posted on 07/07/2004 7:09:56 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Communisn, Fascism, and Radical Islam. Can you spot the difference? Niether can we.)
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To: Euro-American Scum

Where do they post these jobs? You just sit around and make stuff up. The propagandist print and the morons lap it up.


14 posted on 07/07/2004 7:10:18 PM PDT by IamConservative (A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything.)
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To: swilhelm73
These sub-humans were demon-possesed evil people.
15 posted on 07/07/2004 7:12:21 PM PDT by AmericaUnited (It's time someone says the emperor has no clothes.)
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To: swilhelm73

Thank you. I would have posted the same thing if you hadn't. The Left is reluctant to even bad-mouth Stalin--I certainly didn't learn about his brutality in school--but they're quick to give him up in order to preserve the fantasy image they have of the Soviet Union.

Another lie they love: "The Soviet Union wasn't communism. Cuba isn't communism. They were and are a perversion of the glory of communism!" Right. Reminds me of people who say, "Communism sounds great on paper! It's just bad in practice!" I think it sounds bad on paper. I call people who say that On-Paper Communists.


16 posted on 07/07/2004 7:12:23 PM PDT by Rastus (Forget it, Moby! I'm voting for Bush!)
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To: NormsRevenge
They argued that undiagnosed dementia could affect the fate of nations, even the world.

Which is why we dodged a bullet when Howlgore failed to steal the Presidency.

17 posted on 07/07/2004 7:13:04 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (Didn't your father tell you that unnecessary excerpting will make you go blind?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Someone should tell the researcher that communism/progressivism/socialism/facism kills.


18 posted on 07/07/2004 7:14:18 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: swilhelm73

Agreed. Stalin was a gangster whose utility was primarily robbing banks to raise money for the cause. About the only real work he ever did was in Baku in the oilfields and stirring up strikes. I read somewhere that Lenin, upon his deathbed, was asked who he would choose as his successor, the response was "Anyone but Stalin".


19 posted on 07/07/2004 7:14:50 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Rastus

Oh, come on. I think idealogically communism is great, in practice and with human nature, it is impossible. Too many lazy sobs.


20 posted on 07/07/2004 7:16:13 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: Mulder

From your lips to God's ears.


21 posted on 07/07/2004 7:18:49 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: All

It is truly bizaare in America that you can see someone wearing a Hammer and Sickle t-shirt hanging around the general area of the Holocaust museum and no one sees the paradox.

After WWII the cry was never again - well in that time there have been at least four more crimes against humanity of the same scope; Cambodia, China, Vietnam after the war, and Rwanda, of which your average American has probably only heard of the latter.

And of course our Soviet allies from WWII killed more people by a factor of 3-5 then did the NAZIs.

As RJ Rummel, the foremost expert on political mass murder (democide) has said, "Power kills, and absolute power kills absolutely," and there is no more all powerful form of government then that of communism.


22 posted on 07/07/2004 7:19:50 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (We always have been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France.")
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To: Terpfen

Take two,and call me in the morning.

23 posted on 07/07/2004 7:21:31 PM PDT by Redcoat LI (You Can Trust Me , I'm Not Like The Others.....)
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To: NormsRevenge; Rastus; All

BTW, I saw a history channel special that compared the childhoods of Stalin and Hitler - both lacked long term father figure and had a strong mother figure, and had problems with women.... my first thoughts, they could be talking about Bill Clinton.


25 posted on 07/07/2004 7:21:49 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: NormsRevenge

The guy must be nuts himself. What ifs of history are worth.............let's see.............zip.


26 posted on 07/07/2004 7:29:00 PM PDT by combat_boots
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To: combat_boots

Oh, please...

Once again it's left to me to state the obvious:

"Good shrink" is an oxymoron. And the author of this piece is a regular one.


27 posted on 07/07/2004 7:36:41 PM PDT by moonhawk (Actually, I'm voting FOR John Kerry....Before I vote AGAINST him.)
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To: Mulder

Good one, Mulder. I like your response.


28 posted on 07/07/2004 7:49:37 PM PDT by Luke (u)
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To: FreeAtlanta
I think idealogically communism is great, in practice and with human nature, it is impossible.

I don't. Read the Communist Manifesto and tell me you like what you're reading. If you do, then we'll just agree to disagree. I like capitalism, both theoretically and in practice.
29 posted on 07/07/2004 7:58:35 PM PDT by Rastus (Forget it, Moby! I'm voting for Bush!)
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To: swilhelm73

I like the way you think.


30 posted on 07/07/2004 7:59:46 PM PDT by Rastus (Forget it, Moby! I'm voting for Bush!)
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To: Paul Atreides
They argued that undiagnosed dementia could affect the fate of nations, even the world.

Which is why we dodged a bullet when Howlgore failed to steal the Presidency.

Which is why we gave to be ever vigilant in the future. We don't want to test this theory on females in pantsuits.

31 posted on 07/07/2004 9:05:15 PM PDT by Watery Tart (John al-Q’erry: Consumptive Democrat Presidential Nominee)
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To: NormsRevenge

as a psychologist, and a student of stalin's insanity, i can guarantee that no one could cure the guy. he was a sociopath, and not so brilliant. he was definitely crazy and also extremely evil. just because someone is crazy doesn't mean he isn't evil. (think of hitler, charles manson, etc.)
there is no cure for sociopathy. i would vote for a lethal injection for stalin, if i was his shrink.


32 posted on 07/07/2004 9:34:29 PM PDT by drhogan
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To: drhogan

even if his dementia started in 1924, his sociopathy started long before then.


33 posted on 07/07/2004 9:35:48 PM PDT by drhogan
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To: NormsRevenge
Reminds me of the movie "Tango and Cash" where Kurt Russell and Sylvester Stallone (Framed cops) were on their way to their prison cells amid convicts who threatened certain acts upon them.

Cash - "Rehabilitation's hasn't worked here"
Tango - "Aw, they're just misunderstood"

34 posted on 07/07/2004 9:39:32 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("With the Great White Buffalo, he's gonna make a final stand" - Ted Nugent)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Soviet dictator Stalin was a madman who could have benefited from a psychiatrist's attention and millions of lives could have been saved, a British researcher claimed. "

British researchers are dumb. The nutcrackers gave Stalin their attn and tossed Stalin's adversaries in their nuthouses to waste away, or be experimented on. They do the same today to folks w/o the proper attitude in a more suble way. Don't think so, well then you're just depressed and paranoid. Here's some pills...

35 posted on 07/07/2004 9:50:05 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: NormsRevenge
A shrink? Aren't shrinks that same group of people that says that we should feel sorry for you if you methodically murder your five children? Psychiatry tells men that we need to open up and be sensitive to those around us. This is just self-serving propaganda. Don’t listen. They work in tandem with lawyers to screw men over in divorce and discrimination cases. The word "clitoris" should not offend anyone over the age of 14. The Freud junkies are more concerned with how you feel and who’s to blame than they are about the victims of your killing spree.

This guys proclamation that a shrink could have helped a nutjob like Stalin is just another lame attempt to put him (one of their heroes) in a more favorable light. Psychos.
36 posted on 07/07/2004 9:50:23 PM PDT by Jaysun (Strip mining prevents forest fires)
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To: NormsRevenge

A bullet to his brain would've been even more effective.


37 posted on 07/07/2004 9:51:28 PM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: spunkets
British researchers are dumb.

True in some cases.
But a good British accent is accredited an automatic +25 IQ points.
38 posted on 07/07/2004 9:57:58 PM PDT by VOA
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To: NormsRevenge
Stalin, who ruled Russia from 1924 until his death in 1953, suffered from dementia caused
by heart attacks, according to Dr George El-Nimr.


Hmmm...so was he already going into dementia during the 1932-33 Ukraainian famine?

Amazing the lengths that modern, rational peoplel like this shrink will go to in order
to not use the terms good and evil.
39 posted on 07/07/2004 10:05:31 PM PDT by VOA
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To: NormsRevenge
Right. Stalin's crimes weren't a result of collectivist ideology, but merely the result of a psychological illness.

What? Another attempt to resurrect the failed, bloody ideology of state socialism?

40 posted on 07/07/2004 11:02:05 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: Reactionary

When really scares me is that leftists will never, never learn that "...Stalin did not Succeed in spite of Communism, but because of Communism..."

Like the man said, "...absolute power corrupts absolutely..."


41 posted on 07/08/2004 9:48:31 AM PDT by Mr. C
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To: NormsRevenge
"This (Stalin's dementia) might be an explanation for the florid paranoia, dimming of his superior intellect and the unleashing of his most sadistic personality traits," Nimr told the annual conference of the Royal College of Psychiatrists in Harrogate in northern England.

Couldn't have been plain-old ordinary SIN, now could it have? Human beings are basically good, dontcha know. It's only dementia and Republican policies that ever make anyone do bad things, dontcha know.

Oh, I forgot religion.

Shalom.

42 posted on 07/08/2004 9:51:08 AM PDT by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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To: Mulder
And murderers like Stalin would be running the show.

The left isn't really all that enamored of murderers (whom they call "egg breakers" if I'm not mistaken) as much as it is perverts. If Stalin had been a homosexual cross-dresser who molested little boys then nothing he ever did would be declared wrong.

Shalom.

43 posted on 07/08/2004 9:53:20 AM PDT by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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To: IamConservative
You just sit around and make stuff up.

Research universities post them all the time. But you have to come with your own funding.

Shalom.

44 posted on 07/08/2004 9:54:18 AM PDT by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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To: NormsRevenge

The system was insane. Stalin simply fit right into it.


45 posted on 07/08/2004 9:56:11 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: NormsRevenge
" Good shrink could have tamed Stalin"

Exemplifies what is wrong with the left; naive and ignorance is at the core of their thinking.

They never see evil until it is to late; millions will have to perish before they excuse their self-indulgence.
46 posted on 07/08/2004 10:05:32 AM PDT by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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