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Bush league effort: Illegals gaining ground
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | Thursday, July 8, 2004 | editorial

Posted on 07/08/2004 11:41:26 AM PDT by Willie Green

The California congressional delegation is concerned that the U.S. Border Patrol went too far last month to protect the border.

In a two-week period, its Mobile Patrol Group arrested 420 suspected illegal aliens at "interior checkpoints" in California communities within 100 miles of the U.S.-Mexican border.

The delegation asked the Department of Homeland Security to determine if its Border Patrol department overstepped its bounds.

There are bigger immigration issues than a territorial turf fight about which bureaucracy has jurisdiction.

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; borders; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; invasion; juanterm
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1 posted on 07/08/2004 11:41:27 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green

Contact Trey Bohn
Posted by The John and Ken Show @ 3:39 pm

Trey Bohn is the Director of Radio, Office of Media Affairs, for the White House and he wants you to stop e-mailing Asa Hutchinson, Undersecretary for the Department of Homeland Security. Trey wants you to use a generic e-mail address, where you letters may or may not be seen. If you get a chance, why not give Trey a call and remind him who pays his salary. Call Trey at (202) 456-3851


Posted by The John and Ken Show @ 2:31 pm

Call Nativo Lopez 1-888-437-6114 and tell him to stop protesting the Border Patrol ! His email address is hmnsa@yahoo.com. Watch/Listen to Nativo slam the John and Ken Show here.

Border Patrol Sweep Contact List

1) Call Gloria Chavez at Public Information Office at the U.S. Customs and Border Protection 202-927-1422 or gloria.chavez@cbp.gov

2) Call Department of Homeland Security 202-282-8000 or homeland@mail.house.gov

3) If you want to thanks the San Diego Border Patrol for taking care of business, you can e-mail them at sdc.pio@dhs.gov

4) Contact Asa Hutchinson, Under Secretary for Border & Transportation Security and tell him that you want the Border Partol to do their job! Call at 202-282-8355 or e-mail him at asa.hutchinson@dhs.gov. Also, contact Robert Bonner, Commissioner, U.S. Customs and Border Protection who sent out a memo for the Border Patrol to stop the sweeps at homeland@mail.house.gov or robert.bonner@dhs.gov

5) Contact your Congressman! Click here, and simply find your Congressman and let them know that if they don’t support the Border Patrol Sweeps, then they WILL NOT get your vote in November!

6) Here is the number that Homeland Security wants you to call: 1-877-287-8667 but don’t call after 3pm because it doesn’t work!

U.S., Mexico finalize Social Security pact

U.S. and Mexican officials signed a controversial agreement this week that could allow millions of legal and undocumented Mexican immigrants who work in the United States to collect U.S. Social Security benefits. Congress and the Mexican Senate still must approve the agreement, but U.S. lawmakers have routinely approved similar “totalization” agreements with 20 other countries in the past. Read the story here.


2 posted on 07/08/2004 11:49:12 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

U.S., Mexico finalize Social Security pact
By Sergio Bustos, Gannett News Service
WASHINGTON — U.S. and Mexican officials signed a controversial agreement this week that could allow millions of legal and undocumented Mexican immigrants who work in the United States to collect U.S. Social Security benefits.

Congress and the Mexican Senate still must approve the agreement, but U.S. lawmakers have routinely approved similar "totalization" agreements with 20 other countries in the past.

Under the agreement, Mexican workers who have divided their working lives between the United States and Mexico would be eligible for partial U.S. or Mexican retirement benefits based on combined credits earned from both countries. U.S. citizens working in Mexico also would qualify for partial benefits in both countries.

To qualify for U.S. Social Security benefits, Mexicans must prove they have worked in the United States at least 18 months. Payments are made on a prorated basis, depending on years worked in the United States.

Social Security Administration officials estimate 50,000 U.S. and Mexican workers may be eligible for such retirement benefits during the first five years of the agreement.

But last year, the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, questioned the accuracy of those projections, saying Social Security officials had failed to account for the presence of many potentially eligible, undocumented Mexican immigrants and their families.

Census figures show the United States is home to 9 million Mexican citizens. About 5 million are here illegally, according to federal estimates.

Critics charge that the agreement could allow tens of thousands of undocumented Mexican immigrants to collect U.S. retirement benefits.

"Until we straighten out the mess in our immigration system — not to mention our Social Security system — these sorts of agreements are premature and fiscally irresponsible," said Dan Stein, executive director of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a group that advocates stricter immigration policies.

Social Security officials counter that undocumented immigrants are not eligible for U.S. Social Security benefits.

"A totalization agreement doesn't change our immigration laws," said Carolyn Cheezum, a spokeswoman with the Social Security Administration.

But Cheezum acknowledged that undocumented immigrants who become legalized residents could receive credit for prior earnings so long as they prove they paid into the U.S. system.

Social Security officials said the U.S.-Mexico totalization agreement, if approved, also would affect about 3,000 U.S. workers employed in Mexico. They said those workers and their employers would save about $140 million during the first five years of the agreement.

Under current law, U.S. citizens and their U.S. employers in Mexico must pay Social Security taxes to both counties. The same goes for Mexican citizens and Mexican employers in the United States.

The agreement would eliminate the "double tax" and require employees and employers to contribute to only one country's Social Security system.

U.S. and Mexican officials have been negotiating a totalization agreement for more than a year. The United States began pursuing such agreements in 1977 so Americans sent abroad by their employers would be eligible for U.S. Social Security benefits. Today, the United States has pacts with 20 countries, mostly in Europe.


3 posted on 07/08/2004 11:51:28 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Willie Green

Amazing. Much of our budget shortfall can be traced to the impact of illegal immigration in California and our public officials want to make it even worse. A bill that would have repealed an in-state tuition benefit for illegal alien students was voted down by the State Legislature here. Our political class certainly has its priorities in order and ensuring our borders are protected doesn't seem to be among them.


4 posted on 07/08/2004 11:52:23 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

there was a big article in the Daily News reporting that middle age workers who were applying to CSUN for course to retrain them were being shut out. If you already have a degree, you are being turned away, to keep room for the illegals.


5 posted on 07/08/2004 11:55:23 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: goldstategop
Our political class certainly has its priorities in order and ensuring our borders are protected doesn't seem to be among them.

Sad but true! How long will the majority of Americans who oppose out-of-control immigration remain ignored?

6 posted on 07/08/2004 11:57:17 AM PDT by AppleButter
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To: *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; B4Ranch; ..

ping


7 posted on 07/08/2004 12:04:09 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: AppleButter
How long will the majority of Americans who oppose out-of-control immigration remain ignored?

How much longer do we have to pay income taxes to the Federal Government while they refuse to do their job? We are supporting this monster.

8 posted on 07/08/2004 12:08:30 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
How much longer do we have to pay income taxes to the Federal Government while they refuse to do their job?

You will be paying for the rest of your life.....and if the Democrats win, you will be paying much more. Next thread. (Whining is going out of style.)

9 posted on 07/08/2004 12:16:44 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Joe Hadenuf
We are supporting this monster.

Taxation without representation (still).

10 posted on 07/08/2004 12:16:48 PM PDT by janetgreen (CALIFORNIA = ILLEGAL ALIEN HEAVEN)
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To: Willie Green

God please tell me this is a joke!


11 posted on 07/08/2004 12:25:37 PM PDT by 50 Cal (Next time you think nobody cares if you exist just don't pay the IRS!)
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To: Consort
Next thread.

There is a daily thread called, a day in the life of wonderful politicians. You'll like it. No whining, only praise and worship. See yea!

12 posted on 07/08/2004 12:30:51 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Willie Green
There is absolutely no difference between the cadidates for President when it comes to illegal Immigration. Now the question is do we as Americans fall to Arab Terrorists or the Terrorists south of the border. Either way unless we the people do something the "Bend over backwards for Mexico" politicians who sold us out long ago have to be reminded who their employers are.

For me illegal Immigration and Terrorism go hand in hand, which obviously is not the case in DC these days.

13 posted on 07/08/2004 12:33:23 PM PDT by JustAnAmerican
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To: BurbankKarl
Question: since Clinton imposed taxes on SS benefits (double taxation) Mexicans who retire, live in Mexico and are collecting US SS benefits, will they be required to file a US tax return? Question #2: will the US-IRS collection thugs have jurisdiction in Mexico? Question #3: Can the US trust the Mexican gov to aid in tax collection efforts of Mexican citizens? The border is now essentially open to non US citizen travel, Mexican trucker traffic, trade (NAFTA) and soon to be open to the flow of American tax dolors going to Mexico to support retired Mexican citizens who supposedly have worked in the US. The US should just annex Mexico and be done with it.
14 posted on 07/08/2004 12:35:47 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: Willie Green

bump for reference...


15 posted on 07/08/2004 1:48:59 PM PDT by TLI ( . . . ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA . . . . . .)
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To: drypowder
Mexicans who retire, live in Mexico and are collecting US SS benefits, will they be required to file a US tax return?

Yes. It's US source income, taxable to the US.

will the US-IRS collection thugs have jurisdiction in Mexico?

ROTFLMAO

Can the US trust the Mexican gov to aid in tax collection efforts of Mexican citizens?

Again - ROTFLMAO

16 posted on 07/08/2004 1:59:09 PM PDT by SCalGal
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To: Willie Green

bttt


17 posted on 07/09/2004 2:49:25 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Willie Green

If the Bush administration used these sweeps against the gangbanger types that we here so much about then his popularity would spike untold amounts, but since they are tone deaf to the American people it ain't gonna happen.


18 posted on 07/09/2004 7:43:26 AM PDT by junta
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To: junta

You've said a mouthful. Simple, isn't it?


19 posted on 07/10/2004 5:37:30 PM PDT by truthkeeper (Will the last American leaving Southern California please take the flag?)
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To: goldstategop
Our political class certainly has its priorities in order and ensuring our borders are protected doesn't seem to be among them.

I am listening to Stephen Moore from the Club for Growth on Medved's show right now with the 2 of them playing badmitton back and forth about how great immigration is in the most vague, baseless rants, while attacking "the right wing" for opposing it. Moore is sent forth as a Bush attack dog often, kind of a 527 for the GOP, but he's always been a huge embarrassment given what a total dork he is. More importantly, his rationalizations are dangerous to the GOP cause.

20 posted on 07/12/2004 1:39:28 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I am no longer afraid to publicly say I love Jesus, thanks Mel)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
There is a daily thread called, a day in the life of wonderful politicians. You'll like it. No whining, only praise and worship. See yea!

LOL

21 posted on 07/14/2004 4:58:56 PM PDT by swampfox98 (We are at war! We have been at war since 9/11. How smart do you have to be to understand this?)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Read the 14th amendment, you don't have any right to question the validity of the public debt.


22 posted on 07/14/2004 5:01:45 PM PDT by DaiHuy (MUST HAVE JUST BEEN BORN THAT WAY...)
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To: DaiHuy
Read the 14th amendment, you don't have any right to question the validity of the public debt.

I do now. Since all of our elected leaders are not doing their job, and do nothing but pander to this nationwide lawlessness, I decided to right in my own amendments.

Since they pick and choose which laws they enforce, I've decided I'll just pick and choose which laws I'll obey.

23 posted on 07/14/2004 7:18:23 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf ( failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

I like that, Wouldn't it be great if everyone would do that, then maybe they would get the message


24 posted on 07/14/2004 7:50:57 PM PDT by DaiHuy (MUST HAVE JUST BEEN BORN THAT WAY...)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

I like that, Wouldn't it be great if everyone would do that, then maybe they would get the message


25 posted on 07/14/2004 7:51:01 PM PDT by DaiHuy (MUST HAVE JUST BEEN BORN THAT WAY...)
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