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Afghans Arrest Americans in Abuse Case
Associated Press via Yahoooooooo! ^ | Thu, Jul 08, 2004 | AMIR SHAH, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 07/08/2004 1:21:25 PM PDT by jjm2111

Afghan forces arrested three Americans, including a purported former Green Beret, after raiding a jail they were allegedly running in the Afghan capital and finding prisoners hanging from their feet, officials said Thursday.

The U.S. military, facing a widening inquiry into prisoner abuse, quickly distanced itself from the three, who had been posing as American agents before being detained Monday. State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said Thursday "the U.S. government does not employ or sponsor these men."

Afghan officials also dismissed claims by the apparent ringleader, Jonathan K. Idema, that he was a "special adviser" to their security forces, saying the three had posed as military agents on a self-appointed hunt for terrorists.

The Americans and four Afghans who were detained along with them "formed a group and pretended they were fighting terrorism," Interior Minister Ali Ahmad Jalali said. "They arrested eight people from across Kabul and put them in their jail."

Another Afghan security official said intelligence and police officials who raided the group's house Monday found the prisoners strung up by their feet.

"They were hanging upside down," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. He said a report showed the men also were beaten.

Jalali said the Americans had no "legal link" to any Afghan or other authorities.

Still, officials said they were seen regularly around Kabul wearing military uniforms and armed with assault rifles.

Idema, described in media reports as an ex-special forces operative known as "Jack," first appeared in Afghanistan (news - web sites) in late 2001, when U.S. and allied Afghan forces routed the Taliban.

He featured prominently in a top-selling book, "The Hunt for Bin Laden," which says he fought for 10 months alongside the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance.

He also offered his services to Western television networks, including an apparent al-Qaida training video.

On Thursday, police gave an Associated Press reporter a business card apparently handed out by Idema.

The card bears an Afghan flag with a small Stars-and-Stripes at its center and a Northern Alliance flag. "Special Adviser" is printed on the bottom and "Jack" is scrawled in the Dari language at the top. None of the three phone numbers worked.

In Washington, Boucher confirmed Idema was one of the men in custody and identified another as Brent Bennett. He gave no other details.

One police official said Idema's group appeared to be behind the disappearance of a man in west Kabul three weeks ago.

The missing man was identified as Abdul Latif, and his wife told authorities she believed he had been taken into custody by members of the NATO (news - web sites)-led force that patrols the capital, said the police official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

He said three foreigners, dressed in military uniforms, returned to the house earlier this week, where police confronted them.

He said a man called Jack told the officers he had orders to arrest a terrorist before he could blow himself up in a government building. The three said they belonged to "an important network," but gave no other details, the police official said.

Jalali said all eight prisoners found Monday were released. It was not clear how long they had been held.

There was no sign of Latif, however, at his house in a quiet residential street of Kabul's Khoshal Khan district.

Two men who answered the door Thursday said they were refugees who had returned recently from Iran and the previous tenant's wife had recently moved out.

Idema and the two others were seized by Afghan police and intelligence officers in downtown Kabul on Monday. Jalali said the men were operating in Kabul under the guise of working for an export company.

On Thursday, uniformed Afghan intelligence officers refused to admit reporters into the house where the eight prisoners had been found in the city's Kart-e-Parwan district, which was barely visible over a high wall topped with barbed wire.

Residents said foreigners had lived there and they had noticed nothing suspicious.

The U.S. military took the unusual step Monday — before news of his detention was widely known — of distancing itself from Idema, saying in a statement: "The public should be aware that Idema does not represent the American government and we do not employ him."

A spokeswoman would give no details of Idema's activities, insisting Afghan authorities were leading the investigation.

U.S. Embassy spokeswoman Beth Lee said Thursday the Americans had been visited by U.S. officials, but she had no information on whether the United States had sought to take them into custody.

Associated Press Writer Stephen Graham in Kabul contributed to this report.


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Very curious; I doubt that this guy is some nut from the US and if the business card thing is true having his nom de guerre in Dari lends some credence that this might have have been a black op. IF it were, no doubt the military will be distancing himself from this guy.

However, I just LOVE the press' need to draw lines to Abu Ghraib. We are fighting a war with brutal people; teddy bears aren't going to make them talk.

1 posted on 07/08/2004 1:21:26 PM PDT by jjm2111
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To: Barney Gumble

Ping!


2 posted on 07/08/2004 1:22:18 PM PDT by jjm2111 (www.noonreports.blogspot.com)
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To: jjm2111

Looks like someone out there trying to work for that reward money....


3 posted on 07/08/2004 1:24:19 PM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: jjm2111
the business card thing is true having his nom de guerre in Dari lends some credence that this might have have been a black op

How so? Is Dari some secret American Special Ops language?

4 posted on 07/08/2004 1:30:27 PM PDT by stands2reason (Kerry/Edwards: TERRORISTS FLEE FROM BETTER HAIR!!!)
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To: wallcrawlr

Yes sounds like privateers... unless they can produce a Letter of Marque however, they are acting illegally.


5 posted on 07/08/2004 1:31:46 PM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: wallcrawlr

Yup, bounty hunters. And why not, the bounties are huge! Still, watch the MSM try to pin this on Bush.


6 posted on 07/08/2004 1:32:13 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: jjm2111

'teddy bears aren't going to make them talk'

Have you tried it? /sarcasm


7 posted on 07/08/2004 1:33:10 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Counter offer. All prisoners are to be killed unless he is released)
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To: jjm2111

This guy has Strange Ranger written all over him

This from NY Daily News a while back.... and remember, the real guys don't talk about it.

"Geraldo Rivera should be glad he got out of Iraq without a broken nose, according to a former Green Beret who says the Fox News star has a history of jeopardizing military operations.

Ex-Army commando Keith (Jack) Idema isn't surprised that military officials accused Rivera of leaking their positions on the air. Idema tells us that, when he served as an adviser to Northern Alliance forces in Afghanistan, he was ready to "punch out"

Rivera for allegedly putting his coalition comrades at risk with his newsgathering.

Idema, who figures prominently in Robin Moore's best seller "The Hunt for Bin Laden," was retired when he flew to Afghanistan in December 2001 to help Gen. Hazrat Ali.

"We had two- and three-man sniper teams hiding out in the mountains" of Tora Bora, recalls Idema. "Geraldo found out about it from the [anti-Taliban] mujahedeen soldiers. We were paying them between $25 and $100 a month. Geraldo put the word out that he would pay any Afghan who deserted the U.S. Army $100 a day to point out where the snipers were so he could get pictures of them."

Not surprisingly, Idema says, it wasn't hard to find volunteers. "Here are a couple of snipers hidden in this cave, and Geraldo comes prancing up.

Of course, now everybody knows where they are.

"One of my muj told me about him. I got into my damn car, drove to the hill where the media was camped to find Geraldo. He'd just left. Several of us were drawing straws about who would knock him out and escort him out of the place."

Rivera also caught heat in Afghanistan when he erroneously claimed to be standing on "hallowed ground" where U.S. soldiers had been killed by friendly fire.

A spokesman for Fox said the newsman couldn't be reached for comment. Maybe we'll hear from him once he's settled into his new digs in Kuwait."


8 posted on 07/08/2004 1:37:42 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Kill all Islamic terrorists now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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To: stands2reason
"How so? Is Dari some secret American Special Ops language?"

No, and you have a point. Perhaps the US Military only distanced themselves from these guys because of their military background. I'm not sure. Perhaps an element of the Afghani police is pro-jihadi and is hoping to create another Abu Ghraib style scene.

I'm sure more info will surface.

9 posted on 07/08/2004 1:38:39 PM PDT by jjm2111 (www.noonreports.blogspot.com)
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To: jjm2111

More:
Ex-commando sues Fox News over terror tape

A former Army Special Forces commando who claimed to have exclusive video of an al Qaeda training camp is suing Fox News Channel. J. Keith “Jack” Idema claims that Fox News never paid him for the tape, which the network aired repeatedly, and never returned it to him. He seeks more than $2 million in damages.

The 45-year-old Idema journeyed to Afghanistan in October 2001 on a sort of self-sponsored combat and humanitarian mission after being turned down to re-enlist. He claimed to have filmed the 52-minute tape during his nine-month stay in Afghanistan, where he said that he became a Northern Alliance adviser.

Idema alleges that he gave Fox News the videotape on the conditions that it be returned, not copied and used only once a usage agreement was in place.

Idema appeared as a pundit for the network, which he also claims reneged on an agreement to pay him for combat zone reporting. Author Robin Moore chronicled Idema’s story in “The Hunt for Bin Laden.”

Turned down for re-up..... hmmmmmmmmmmmm


10 posted on 07/08/2004 1:40:16 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Kill all Islamic terrorists now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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To: MindBender26

Curiouser and Curiouser.....


11 posted on 07/08/2004 1:53:48 PM PDT by jjm2111 (www.noonreports.blogspot.com)
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To: jjm2111

Sounds like someone out to make some big money!


12 posted on 07/08/2004 2:09:41 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (.New Linux SUSE Pro 9.1 user here.)
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To: LibWhacker; Grampa Dave; Criminal Number 18F
Tip of the sword for bounty hunters in country......many more working there under "contractor" cover........kind of a NOC NOC joke per se !

Stay safe and play the UBL Lotto often !

13 posted on 07/08/2004 2:15:54 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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Someone played one too many games of Splinter Cell...


14 posted on 07/08/2004 2:16:12 PM PDT by twgiles
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To: wallcrawlr; Poohbah; section9; Long Cut; Pukin Dog; Dog; BOBTHENAILER; Catspaw; Howlin; ...

Yeah, there is that billion-dollar hit contract on bin Laden... my understanding is that contract is still open.

:)


15 posted on 07/08/2004 2:21:23 PM PDT by hchutch ("Go ahead. Leave early and beat the traffic. The Milwaukee Brewers dare you." - MLB.com 5/11/04)
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To: jjm2111; hchutch
Interesting. Idema has gone by "Keith Idema" and "Jack Idema" at different times. As Keith Idema, he claimed that the movie "The Peacemaker" (George Clooney/Nicole Kidman) was based on his true story (it was based on the book "One Point Safe" by the Cockburns) and threatened to sue DreamWorks. Now, as Jack Idema, he's breaking Afghani law...

Hmm. Something's not right here. Perhaps he has a case of Stolen Valor.

16 posted on 07/08/2004 2:29:11 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: MindBender26
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/72378p-67059c.html

here is the link to that story about the jackass Geraldo
17 posted on 07/08/2004 2:39:33 PM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: hchutch

I have a feeling this guy was deep cover. His past is so murky ...it would confuse an enemy.


18 posted on 07/08/2004 2:46:43 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Dog

Earlier this year, a number of US cache finds in Iraq contained munitions and US Military uniforms. Yes, a most curious story. But were he "deep cover"; he'd be "deeper" than this. This is the work of novice "deep", IMHO.


19 posted on 07/08/2004 3:07:25 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia
Earlier this year, a number of US cache finds in Iraq contained munitions and US Military uniforms. Yes, a most curious story. But were he "deep cover"; he'd be "deeper" than this. This is the work of novice "deep", IMHO.

I think the man's a fraud artist.

20 posted on 07/08/2004 3:08:58 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: MindBender26

He helped write the Book "The Hunt For Bin Laden" along with the author [I cannot think of his name] of the book "Green Berets".

I remember seeing this Idema character on Imus/MSNBC promoting the book.


21 posted on 07/08/2004 3:37:17 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep)
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To: Dog; Poohbah; MindBender26
I dont think he is deep anything. He appears to be freelancing [and probably has been well paid] since September 11th.

That's him in the middle.


22 posted on 07/08/2004 3:43:09 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep)
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To: VaBthang4

There's a lot of controversy about the accuracy of that book.


23 posted on 07/08/2004 3:46:20 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: jjm2111
"Two men who answered the door Thursday said they were refugees who had returned recently from Iran and the previous tenant's wife had recently moved out."

This too sounds suspicious.

24 posted on 07/08/2004 3:50:49 PM PDT by blam
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To: MindBender26
Turned down for re-up..... hmmmmmmmmmmmm

See?? Lots of 40-somethings would love to help in the WOT, "one way or the other."

Looks like they should have accepted the one way. ;-)

25 posted on 07/08/2004 4:00:03 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (ROPMA !! No words are sufficient to describe these EVIL people.)
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To: jjm2111

I know this guy. He is absolutely, completely a fraud. Even the stuff in Robin Moore's book about him is mostly fiction -- HE was Robin's researcher's sole source for it. In fact, wanted posters of him were posted in Bagram for months, directing the MPs and USAF SPs to grab him, before the Afghans finally bagged him.

He's a felon. Go to www.bop.gov and search for Jonathan Keith Idema in the inmate locator. He did five years inside, on top of whatever part of his sentence was paroled. (Wire Fraud).

He has represented himself as an Army major, a special forces operator, a former member of the unit known as Delta, and a member of US intelligence agencies. And I can say with 100% certainty that these claims are all untrue. He did serve briefly in the Army special forces - 15-20 years ago. He was caught stealing in Phase I of training. He was barred from re-enlistment as a result of other misconduct. He then showed up in the Reserves, with his bad paper from active duty miraculously missing from his file. He left there under a cloud also.

He is a legend in his own mind who has been in Afghanistan on and off since 2001 and a long list of NGOs, REAL SF operators, and REAL intelligence agencies have been looking for him, on a "not to interfere" basis with other missions. I would bet money that at least one of the phone numbers on his card belongs to a satellite phone that he borrowed from a Knights of Malta sponsored charity three years ago -- they are still looking for it.

Let's let the NDS hang on to him and do their investigation. If it turns out he has committed crimes under Afghan law, well, when he gets out he can write a book on comparative penology: from the inmate viewpoint.

The USG does not generally post wanted posters (complete with a mis-spelling, so you know a GI made it!) of its agents conducting "black ops." If any.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


26 posted on 07/08/2004 4:40:23 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Poohbah

His full name (as the Bureau of Prisons will cheerfully confirm, not to mention enough legal filings to choke John Edwards) is Jonathan Keith Idema. He has always gone by "Keith" to friends (?) and family and the world at large. Starting with Afghanistan, he went all candle-stein with "Jack."

In Robin Moore's "Hunt for Bin Laden" he is referred to by about three variations on his name.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


27 posted on 07/08/2004 4:47:08 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Criminal Number 18F
When I hear about a guy going by different variations of his name, it always makes me suspicious. I have gone by the name I use for my entire life (except for the usual occasions growing up when my mother used my full first name, middle name, and last name :o)

To hear a guy use different takes on his name sets off alarm bells for me.

28 posted on 07/08/2004 4:51:28 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: wallcrawlr
Idema, described in media reports as an ex-special forces operative known as "Jack," first appeared in Afghanistan (news - web sites) in late 2001, when U.S. and allied Afghan forces routed the Taliban.

He featured prominently in a top-selling book, "The Hunt for Bin Laden," which says he fought for 10 months alongside the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance.

Yeah. These are the kinds of shoe-scrape we'd have all over the Middle East if that idiot Ron Paul's plan of chasing bin Laden with Letters of Marque and Reprisal hadn't been laughed out of Congress.

29 posted on 07/08/2004 4:54:17 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur

Kindly note Criminal Number 18F's report on Mr. Idema. It seems that he's done hard time in the States.


30 posted on 07/08/2004 4:55:32 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: All
Major FR Announcement

The National March Against Terror


31 posted on 07/08/2004 5:32:02 PM PDT by Bob J (freerepublic.net/ radiofreerepublic.com/rightalk.com...check them out!)
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To: Poohbah

Yeah, I read it when it first came out.
Great blow by blow of the initial stages of the War in Afghanistan, especially the destruction of Taliban forces trying to retake a town just north of Khandahar that had driven the small Taliban controllers out. But it taipers off into my service's Johnson is longer than yours and the A-typical Caucasian, Male, Dramaqueen [sorry but it's true] chest thumping/excuse making once it becomes clear that Bin Laden wont be snagged right away.

Started out great...but I never finished it.


32 posted on 07/08/2004 7:08:32 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep)
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To: Criminal Number 18F

Thanks for the information.


33 posted on 07/08/2004 7:11:52 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep)
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To: jjm2111

"As always, should you, or any of your IM Force, be caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of the matter."


34 posted on 07/08/2004 7:13:48 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Refuse to let anyone who could only get a government job tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Poohbah
To hear a guy use different takes on his name sets off alarm bells for me.

Well, mostly he's been Keith. But I suppose if I had done hard time I might have an alias or two also!

He'll be back on the talk shows I'm sure. But it might be a few years. I don't think the Afghans would behead him (although if he is responsible for the disappearance of Abdul Latif, and Latif is dead, all bets are off).

I do notice that these mercenaries and soldier of fortune types very often had less than sterling service records. Some are deserters; I think Costas Georghiou ("Col. Callan" of Angola -- now I am dating myself) was a dishonourable discharge after court-martial from the British Army. At the rank of Corporal, IIRC.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

35 posted on 07/08/2004 9:27:24 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Criminal Number 18F
Here's another phony. Sheesh.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/Investigation/phony_sergeant_040707-1.html

At least Keith did go to Special Forces school, and ultimately graduated, even if he never worked out on a team afterward...

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

36 posted on 07/08/2004 9:34:23 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F (PS... story says Gary Lakis is missing... other story says one of Keiths Americans is unidentified.?)
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To: Criminal Number 18F

I love FR.


37 posted on 07/08/2004 11:49:46 PM PDT by jjm2111 (www.noonreports.blogspot.com)
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To: Criminal Number 18F

I guess my original assesment was WAY wrong. I hate phony baloney military types; with a passion. A guy who drives a truck is more my brother that some wannabe SEAL. Bah! Thanks for the info


38 posted on 07/08/2004 11:54:49 PM PDT by jjm2111 (www.noonreports.blogspot.com)
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To: Criminal Number 18F

Thanks.

Very interesting and useful.


39 posted on 07/09/2004 10:49:13 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: jjm2111
'Your mission, should you accept it . . . remembering that if you are caught the 'agency' will deny any knowledge of your existence. This tape will self-destruct in 10 seconds. . . . . . '

What was the bounty on bin Laden?

40 posted on 07/09/2004 5:26:35 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Hank Rearden

Heh. Beat me to it.


41 posted on 07/09/2004 5:27:54 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: jjm2111

Are you sure teddy bears won't make them talk? What about puppies?


43 posted on 07/13/2004 7:15:57 AM PDT by Barney Gumble ("There are three types of lies: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics." -- Mark Twain)
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To: Poohbah

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies204.htm


45 posted on 12/30/2004 2:59:23 AM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Fedora; cyncooper; Howlin; Cindy
Reminds me of that T J Wilkinson "CIA" guy that Cap Hill Blue came up with:

(snip) Major news organizations and a celebrated author bought into his self-portrayal as an undercover spy, explosives expert, active-duty Special Forces operative, covert "black ops" specialist, and one of the few Americans truly dedicated to hunting down Mr. bin Laden and his al-Qaeda network.

But hundreds of documents, e-mail exchanges, photographs and other materials supplied by close associates of Mr. Idema offer an entirely different picture of who he really is a showman and convicted fraudster whose military career ended in 1984 before he'd even spent a day in live combat.

Perhaps because of his military-style uniform, the authority in his voice, his swagger and authentic use of Special Forces jargon, many journalists and media personalities accepted him too quickly as the real thing, according to journalists and close acquaintances who witnessed Mr. Idema's personality makeover.

"He's a very believable guy. He looks you in the eye. He looks like a Special Forces guy, acts like one. ... It's hard not to believe him once he gets talking," said Robin Moore, author of the 2003 book The Hunt for Bin Laden, Task Force Dagger, which features Mr. Idema as one of the central figures in the Afghanistan war.

A photo of Mr. Idema, 48, appears on the book's cover, and he receives co-author credit in the book's British version.

Mr. Moore, who also wrote The Green Berets and The French Connection, said he had been warned repeatedly about Mr. Idema during the 14 years they have been acquainted. He said they met in 1990 outside a Special Forces convention, where Mr. Idema was hawking military accessories. But it was only after the book was published that he began taking those warnings seriously.

(/snip)  

-------"Records seem to discredit self-proclaimed Special Forces expert.....Out of service since '84, man accused in Afghan case never saw combat," By TOD ROBBERSON / The Dallas Morning News, Monday, August 30, 2004

46 posted on 12/30/2004 3:05:56 AM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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