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The Ultimate Guide To Terror (A Respected Muslim Finally Says What Needs To Be Said)
Convention Lecture | April, 2004 | Haim Harari

Posted on 07/08/2004 3:53:41 PM PDT by Southack

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To: Southack

Awesome. The man is genius.


51 posted on 07/08/2004 10:24:39 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: Southack
The half life of the atomic trigger isotopes is typically less than 90 days.

The transit time for a container ship across the Pacific is less than ten days.

And such an attack would only work once. All ships would be halted miles off of our coasts after the first successful blast.

The Chinese have a missile laucncher that fits into a container. No such luck. They could deliver a good many missiles that way and our SDI system would be worthless.

As for a bio attack...bio agents are piss poor military weapons.

But very effective for causing domestic panic, as I said. So far, all you've done is reinforce my point.

52 posted on 07/08/2004 10:39:13 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Privatizating environmental regulation is critical to national defense.)
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To: Southack
Who spoon fed you such nonsense?

Oh, it has something to do with being a former manufacturing engineer who was peripherally involved in supply chain management.

Imports and exports combined only make up 15% of our entire economy.

Fifteen percent is plenty. Try doing without memory chips or ASICs for cars and see how far your production goes.

53 posted on 07/08/2004 10:41:25 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Privatizating environmental regulation is critical to national defense.)
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To: Southack
But don't get too worked up about it. Almost the entire German war machine of WW2 was run off of coal oil, something that becomes economically viable here in the U.S. today if oil stays above $45 per barrel for any great length of time...and the U.S. has more coal than the rest of the world combined. We can make coal oil long after Saudi Arabia has bled their last oil well dry.

This shows how little you understand the problem. Having the coal is one thing. Having the mining infrastructure to ramp up production is another, especially with regard to sufficient skilled personnel. The situation is similar in virtually every resource business, from farming to timber. Regulation has virtually destroyed whole industries. They don't just restart at the drop of a hat.

54 posted on 07/08/2004 10:43:49 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Privatizating environmental regulation is critical to national defense.)
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To: Carry_Okie
"This shows how little you understand the problem. Having the coal is one thing. Having the mining infrastructure to ramp up production is another, especially with regard to sufficient skilled personnel."

On the contrary, I'm intimately familiar with coal, as it is a major Alabama mining industry (think: Drummond). We even drill and produce natural gas from underground coal deposits (check out DOM on the stock market).

Our coal infrastructure is here. We can ramp up production to fantastic levels with no problem.

55 posted on 07/08/2004 10:48:30 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Carry_Okie
"The transit time for a container ship across the Pacific is less than ten days."

You can't put nukes onto enough container ships to gain global domination.

The risks are huge. You'd have strategic assets in transit for DAYS that would subject you to immediate obliteration if caught - something that a shipping fire or sinking could easily do to you, and accidents happen on the high seas.

And even then, you'd only be taking out a few coastal cities at most before being obliterated.

And that's presuming that your atomic trigger isotopes hadn't decayed too much, that your electrical circuits and conventional explosives on your nukes had survived the radiation during the transit - sans clean room maintenance, that the slightest bit of moisture hadn't rendered the heavy metals of your atomic core and shell into useless rust, and that your core and shell hadn't been cracked by getting bumped in any rough seas (plutonium and uranium are among the most brittle metals known).

56 posted on 07/08/2004 11:15:10 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

BTTT


57 posted on 07/09/2004 2:02:28 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Southack
You can't put nukes onto enough container ships to gain global domination.

Of course not. What you can do is disable the lead competitor. That's a mighty good start.

The risks are huge.

They always have been. It's never stopped any number of ambitious malefactors.

You'd have strategic assets in transit for DAYS that would subject you to immediate obliteration if caught - something that a shipping fire or sinking could easily do to you, and accidents happen on the high seas.

Tojo took that risk. Hitler took that risk. The reaction was slower, but they knew the chances they were taking. The Russians were planning to do it, even when the world was nuclear. Some think they're still up to something. You do know about the scale of the bunkers under the Urals?

And even then, you'd only be taking out a few coastal cities at most before being obliterated.

A few coastal cities? How about nearly all of them. Have you looked at the population distribution of the US?

And that's presuming that your atomic trigger isotopes hadn't decayed too much, that your electrical circuits and conventional explosives on your nukes had survived the radiation during the transit - sans clean room maintenance, that the slightest bit of moisture hadn't rendered the heavy metals of your atomic core and shell into useless rust, and that your core and shell hadn't been cracked by getting bumped in any rough seas (plutonium and uranium are among the most brittle metals known).

All easily doable, in fact, maintaining clean and dry conditions within a container is done every day. So is putting technical staff on the ships for final preparation.

58 posted on 07/09/2004 6:15:51 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Privatizating environmental regulation is critical to national defense.)
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To: Southack
Our coal infrastructure is here. We can ramp up production to fantastic levels with no problem.

I know about continuous mining. I don't buy doubling output with "no problem." Further, most of the target power plants are designed to burn gas. Converting them to coal is not quick or easy, however doable it might be. The necessary distribution infrastructure is problematic too. Then there's getting the real estate near a rail line in an urban area for dealing with coal storage and delivery near the transmission grid or else installing the delivery lines. That isn't quick or easy either.

By contrast, nuclear plants are on their way to becoming a local drop-in installation, and far easier to tie into the existing transmission grid. Because they are small, the system is less subject to single-point failures. Their design makes them a very difficult target for terrorists too.

59 posted on 07/09/2004 6:49:22 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Privatizating environmental regulation is critical to national defense.)
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To: Southack
But the real fear comes from the undisputed fact that no defense and no preventive measures can succeed against a determined suicide murderer. This has not yet penetrated the thinking of the Western World. The U.S. and Europe are constantly improving their defense against the last murder, not the next one. We may arrange for the best airport security in the world. But if you want to murder by suicide, you do not have to board a plane in order to explode yourself and kill many people. Who could stop a suicide murder in the midst of the crowded line waiting to be checked by the airport metal detector? How about the lines to the check-in counters in a busy travel period? Put a metal detector in front of every train station in Spain and the terrorists will get the buses. Protect the buses and they will explode in movie theaters, concert halls, supermarkets, shopping malls, schools and hospitals. Put guards in front of every concert hall and there will always be a line of people to be checked by the guards and this line will be the target, not to speak of killing the guards themselves. You can somewhat reduce your vulnerability by preventive and defensive measures and by strict border controls but not eliminate it and definitely not win the war in a defensive way. And it is a war.

This is the best part I found in the article. All this Homeland Security crappola of "Terror Alert Level ORANGE" and airport screening. etc. is a joke. The terrorists say "BOO!" and we jump. Bet they get a big kick out of watching us flinch on CNN.

"They" are going to try and kill us no matter what precautions we take. We should do as Israel does. They kill 1 Israeli, then Israel flattens a terrorist's neighborhood. Eventually attrition of the islamobombers will take it's toll.

60 posted on 07/09/2004 7:10:34 AM PDT by myheroesareDeadandRegistered
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To: Southack

...."Currently, 9.5% of our annual GDP is from imports,"......

Yes, but unfortunately, that includes alot of oil, and increasingly, steel. These are two critical resources that in the very short run are hard to develop the alternative domestic infrastructure.


61 posted on 07/09/2004 7:33:56 AM PDT by aShepard
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To: Southack

btttttttttt


62 posted on 07/09/2004 8:17:03 AM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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bump


63 posted on 07/09/2004 8:34:28 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Southack

Bump for later reading.


64 posted on 07/09/2004 8:51:06 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm ( Veni Vidi Vino )
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To: Southack
I'm at work now, will read later

pony

65 posted on 07/09/2004 8:54:06 AM PDT by ponyespresso (simul justus et peccator)
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To: Southack

bump to print out at home


66 posted on 07/09/2004 8:55:26 AM PDT by eyespysomething (Virtue is learned at a mother's knee...and vices at other joints.)
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To: Southack

archive


67 posted on 07/09/2004 9:08:55 AM PDT by STFrancis
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To: knighthawk; Eurotwit

Must Read, Pong


68 posted on 07/09/2004 5:59:49 PM PDT by nuconvert ( "Let Freedom Reign !" ) ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: Southack

bump


69 posted on 07/09/2004 6:05:26 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Southack

bump for future reference


70 posted on 07/09/2004 6:12:06 PM PDT by Ulysses ("Most of us go through life thinking we're Superman. Superman goes through life being Clark Kent!")
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To: Southack
I am terribly concerned that you have not responded to the many here who have asked you to verify the veracity of your post. First there are those who ask if the author of your post is Jew or Muslim. Second, and probably most important, there are also many who have asked you for a reference or URL that can verify the remarks you claim the author made.

You see, many of us have come through a battle with the left and are hopelessly careful before we pass things on; because, you see, we have been played the fools by those on the left.

Now if the author is a Muslim and he said these things, and it can be verified, then you have indeed done the right a great favor, because these things can be passed on with credible expressive credentials. However, if this is just a good read and it cannot be verified then you have done the right a huge dis-service because the left can say we (the right) make things up. The dis-service gets bigger because our credibility is gone.

Please provide the necessary information. There are people on this forum that have taken what you have posted and are passing it on as gospel.

71 posted on 07/09/2004 7:28:44 PM PDT by NraFreedom (Mr. Clinton should be charged, convicted and punished for the crime of Treason.)
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To: NraFreedom

C#37


72 posted on 07/09/2004 7:31:15 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

If he is Jewish, you ought to have the Mods delete what's in the parentheses next to the headline.


73 posted on 07/09/2004 7:42:11 PM PDT by nuconvert ( "Let Freedom Reign !" ) ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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There seems to be some controversy over the religion of the author. Please modify the title by changing "respected Muslim" to "respected Middle-Easterner" to assauge certain sensitivities.

Thanks.

74 posted on 07/09/2004 7:54:28 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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Wow, did you miss the message or what: "he appears to be Jewish" does not do anything to verify anything.

I have done some checking and I found this on your author: (http://www.arationaladvocate.com/haimharari.htm)

Prof. Haim Harari, President of the Weizmann Institute of Science in Israel has been awarded the Harnack Medal. Following a proposal by President Hubert Markl, the Senate of the Max Planck Society reached this decision unanimously at its meeting in Munich on 23 March. In doing so, the Max Planck Society recognises Harari’s successful work over 13 years as the senior representative of Israel’s leading research institution. The award was presented at the Max Planck Society’s General Meeting in Berlin in June.

President Markl explained that Harari had contributed to the successful continuation of the tradition of co-operation which had existed for 30 years between the Max Planck Society and the Weizmann Institute and to adapting this collaborative work to the needs of science, which was becoming increasingly international and competitive. “We also have Harari to thank for a certain normalising effect which has entered relations, as far as this is possible in view of the historical situation,” said President Markl. He had also extended and strengthened co-operation between the two organisations through his commitment to setting up joint junior research groups at the Weizmann Institute and at Max Planck Institutes.

Professor Haim Harari was born in Jerusalem in 1940. He studied physics at his home town’s Hebrew University, ultimately obtaining a doctorate. His interest in German culture and in working with the German scientific community stems from a period spent as a guest scientist at the Max Planck Institute for Physics (Werner Heisenberg Institute) in Munich in the 70s. At this time he already held a chair in High Energy Physics at the Weizmann Institute. He became its president in 1988 and, over the years, has built it up into an institution at the forefront of research, highly regarded throughout the world. Harari always combined his professional ambitions with commitment to educational and social policy, especially in the field of teaching and introducing young people to the natural sciences. As chairman of a committee, which distributes university funding approved globally by the Israeli parliament, he long exerted an influence on developments in the Israeli scientific scene.

Following Germany’s reunification, Harari also showed considerable interest in the development of the sciences in the former GDR, which became Germany´s new states. He visited newly established Max Planck Institutes and universities there. His analyses made an important contribution to shaping opinion within the Max Planck Society. The Harnack Medal, endowed in 1924, is the highest award bestowed by the Max Planck Society. It is only rarely conferred and only for exceptional contributions (continuing the tradition of the Kaiser Wilhelm Society, of which the theologian, politician and friend to the sciences Adolf von Harnack was a founding father and first president for 19 years)

The article itself can be found at: http://www.freeman.org/m_online/jul04/harari.htm

75 posted on 07/09/2004 7:56:54 PM PDT by NraFreedom (Mr. Clinton should be charged, convicted and punished for the crime of Treason.)
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To: NraFreedom
"Wow, did you miss the message or what:"

OK newbie, what message did I miss?

76 posted on 07/09/2004 7:59:54 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: dennisw; watchin; VOA; harpseal; timestax; xJones; justshutupandtakeit; TopDog2; ThomasMore; ...
It is crucial to stop Saudi and other financial support of the outer circle, which is the fertile breeding ground of terror. It is important to monitor all donations from the Western World to Islamic organizations, to monitor the finances of international relief organizations and to react with forceful economic measures to any small sign of financial aid to any of the three circles of terrorism.

Islam-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

77 posted on 07/10/2004 2:42:32 AM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: nuconvert; Southack

Thanks for the aricle and the ping. It's indeed a really good one.


78 posted on 07/10/2004 2:44:28 AM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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bttt


79 posted on 07/10/2004 4:59:40 AM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: Southack
The message would be that if you are going to report something of value you should include a source, if at all possible.

Just in case you were sleeping and did not read my post well, I will go over it for you: I asked you to provide a source (others had REPEATEDLY asked you for your source): YOU did not do so. I also questioned whether or not the author was Muslim (again, I was not the only one to do that). YOUR only reply was that someone in a reply to you stated something to the effect that the author "might" be a Jew. If our goal here is to pass on up-to-date material and use it speedily in an effective way to combat the leftist agenda in this country, then I for one would say that your sloppiness is close to unacceptable.

Since you had not replied to any of the above stated inquiries, I should have known that you were not really interested in the fight against leftist elitism in this country; but, rather, you are one who just likes to talk the talk and not walk the walk.

BTW, the term "newbie" is condescending and unacceptable. If we (the right) treat each other as if some are elite and some are lower, then we are no better than the left.

And further: I went to great length to explain myself and my reasons for asking for the information in my post to you. And, your response is to insult me. So, I guess, I must stoop to your level: Now, if you get my point, I will forget that you are lazy and insulting.

80 posted on 07/10/2004 2:01:53 PM PDT by NraFreedom (Mr. Clinton should be charged, convicted and punished for the crime of Treason.)
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To: NraFreedom
"then I for one would say that your sloppiness is close to unacceptable."

In that case, post your own articles and stop mooching off of mine.

81 posted on 07/10/2004 2:19:05 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: knighthawk

Thanks for the ping.


82 posted on 07/10/2004 5:04:31 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: Clock King
Bump

If part of the public supports it, others tolerate it, many are afraid of it and some try to explain it away by poverty or by a miserable childhood, organized crime will thrive and so will terrorism. The United States understands this now, after September 11. Russia is beginning to understand it. Turkey understands it well. I am very much afraid that most of Europe still does not understand it.

83 posted on 07/10/2004 5:27:22 PM PDT by GOPJ
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Nice comback! Have a nice day.


84 posted on 07/10/2004 6:56:14 PM PDT by NraFreedom (Mr. Clinton should be charged, convicted and punished for the crime of Treason.)
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85 posted on 07/10/2004 8:46:38 PM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor ... You can be one too!!)
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To: Southack
Truth:

The root of the trouble is that this entire Moslem region is totally dysfunctional, by any standard of the word, and would have been so even if Israel would have joined the Arab league and an independent Palestine would have existed for 100 years.

The 22 member countries of the Arab league, from Mauritania to the Gulf States, have a total population of  300 millions, larger than the US and almost as large as the EU before its expansion. They have a land area larger than either the US or all of Europe. These 22 countries, with all their oil and natural resources, have a combined GDP smaller than that of Netherlands plus Belgium and equal to half of the GDP of California alone. Within this meager GDP, the gaps between rich and poor are beyond belief and too many of the rich made their money not by succeeding in business, but by being corrupt rulers. The social status of women is far below what it was in the Western World 150 years ago.

Human rights are below any reasonable standard, in spite of the grotesque fact that Libya was elected Chair of the UN Human Rights commission. From The Ultimate Guide To Terror (A Respected Muslim Finally Says What Needs To Be Said) Convention Lecture | April, 2004 | Haim Harari

86 posted on 07/10/2004 8:55:07 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: Southack

Ping for later reading.


87 posted on 07/10/2004 9:01:38 PM PDT by CaliGirlGodHelpMe
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To: knighthawk

bttt


88 posted on 07/11/2004 1:23:32 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Carry_Okie

"Now that Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya are out, two and a half terrorist states remain: Iran, Syria and Lebanon, the latter being a Syrian colony. Perhaps Sudan should be added to the list.

First, he's leaving out a critical player, Pakistan. "

Let's not forget. Saudi Arabia. After that comes Canada, any European nation, Indonesia, Michigan or anywhere else that Radical Islam is hosted.


89 posted on 07/11/2004 2:48:03 AM PDT by UnChained
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To: Southack

"I'm all for it. Drill Alaska, off of the coast of California and Florida, and in federal forests."

"Drill like mad."

The administration is doing something interesting. The US is continuously buying oil and putting it into the Stategic Oil Reserve. Eventually, all the OPEC oil will be ours.


90 posted on 07/11/2004 2:52:59 AM PDT by UnChained
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To: UnChained

Stategic = Strategeric


91 posted on 07/11/2004 3:05:37 AM PDT by UnChained
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To: UnChained
First, he's leaving out a critical player, Pakistan. "

Let's not forget. Saudi Arabia. After that comes Canada, any European nation, Indonesia, Michigan or anywhere else that Radical Islam is hosted.

I was referring to nations with the potential within five years or so to war against us. Last I checked, none of those countries was on that list. Pakistan has substantial population, is fully radicalized, and has nuclear weapons. It is, if anything, as dangerous as Iran.

92 posted on 07/11/2004 5:55:14 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly gutless.)
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To: Southack

Excellent.

Thank you for posting this.

Beauseant!

93 posted on 07/11/2004 6:01:10 AM PDT by Lancelot Jones (Non nobis, Domine, non nobis, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: Southack

Excellent read; thanks for posting this.

BTTT and bookmark for e-mailing to others.


94 posted on 07/11/2004 9:10:50 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Southack

bump


95 posted on 07/11/2004 11:16:12 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: Berosus; blam; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Do not dub me shapka broham; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

blast from the past


96 posted on 11/11/2005 11:14:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Wednesday, November 2, 2005.)
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