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Senate intelligence failure
WAshington Times | 10 JUL 04 | Editoral Staff

Posted on 07/10/2004 7:36:05 AM PDT by dts32041

Senate intelligence failure -

Yesterday, through the release of its long-awaited report, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence unanimously blamed the CIA for errant assertions and mistaken assumptions about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs. Much of that scathing criticism is well-deserved. However, the blame must be shared by the members of the committee, who failed badly in their constitutional duty of oversight.

There was "a global intelligence failure" at the CIA, said Committee Chairman Sen. Pat Roberts, Kansas Republican. Many of the declarations of the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate have collapsed, and no surprise, since the estimate rested on a faulty foundation of mistakes and uncertainties. Those misjudgments and wrong assumptions were layered on one another, and made worse by the failure of human intelligence collection efforts. The assumption that Iraq had a growing WMD program was never adequately challenged — the entire structure of assumptions and uncertainties was neither shaken nor stirred before the war. Senators found "no evidence" that pressure was put on members of the intelligence community to mischaracterize Iraq's WMD programs (although at yesterday's press conference, Sen. Jay Rockefeller, vice chairman of the committee and who signed the finding, argued about what the definition of "pressure" is).

But the senators who criticized the intelligence community for its failures played a major part in the subsequent tragedy. Committee members — including Sen. John Edwards — were charged with the duty of oversight and received the necessary powers to do so. They had access to the classified materials; they had the authority to question CIA executives and analysts; they had the means to explore and probe. So where were the senators while the failures were building? It's likely they were looking the other way.

House members had access to materials about Iraq's WMD programs — in 19 neatly organized binders. Yet few representatives reviewed them, according to Stephen Dinan of The Washington Times. In a dispatch last July, Mr. Dinan wrote for this newspaper that "Fewer than a dozen House members have taken the time to review more than 10,000 pages of intelligence documents backing up administration claims about Iraq, which were made available more than a month ago." Presumably, senators had access to some — if not all — of that material.

Unintentional as it may be, the committee's exhaustive report speaks eloquently to the failures of those who produced it. Had the senators and their staff who dedicated so many resources to examining the failures of intelligence after the war pursued proof of Iraq's WMD in the same painstaking manner during the buildup to the war, the debate may have been more useful.

The Senate's pointed report demonstrates both the failure of the intelligence gatherers and the failure of their congressional overseers.

TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cia; cowards; drunksneators; intelcommittee; intelreport; terror
The real failures where the ones standing in front of the camera csting blame at the CIA, for the rules they made for it to work.

Church, torch, kennedy, et al

1 posted on 07/10/2004 7:36:05 AM PDT by dts32041
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To: dts32041

If the senate has any intelligence, they should be made to prove it.

2 posted on 07/10/2004 7:39:06 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: dts32041
As long as I can remember the left has characterized the CIA as the all knowing, all seeing evil that controls world events with fine precision.

Remember how the CIA controlled the minds of minorities by using radio signals broadcast through teeth fillings?

3 posted on 07/10/2004 7:46:51 AM PDT by zarf
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To: dts32041
The Senate NEVER admitts that THEY are the real problem. They spent 20 plus years trying to destroy the CIA, NOW they blame the CIA for being infiltrated by leftie Ivans. When your job is to provide political cover for evil DUMS your destin for failure.

Frankly, I would fire every analyst, and find people that are truly interested in the security of the United States....Not some sleezy Evil Dum politcian.

4 posted on 07/10/2004 7:47:05 AM PDT by marty60
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To: dts32041

Where is the senate and Kosovo???

5 posted on 07/10/2004 7:48:28 AM PDT by tkathy
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To: Piquaboy

The intelligence failure covered Congress, the adminstration, and the bureaucracy in general in addition to the CIA. There is a certain amount of paranoia included in all the judgements. The CYA attitude also permeates all the problems. Until common sense replaces the attitude of propaganda uber alles, don't expect much improvement in our professional intelligence capabilities.

6 posted on 07/10/2004 7:55:13 AM PDT by meenie
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To: dts32041
During the mid-nineties until recently, Kerry was on the Intel committee (ranking?), and during that time he voted against every funding increase....along with the other Democrats.

If they had access to everything, then why weren't they so smart as to see this coming?

7 posted on 07/10/2004 7:55:30 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: dts32041

Saddam gone! Chance for Middle east democracy. Kurds safe . . No intelligence failure!

8 posted on 07/10/2004 7:57:41 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment
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To: xzins

The Intelligence community has to run around with their hands tied behind their backs, with one eye closed, and without the proper resources BECAUSE of people like Kerry...and then it's all their fault IF something goes wrong.
Still not sold on the NO WMD's yet! What about all the 'reports' af stuff being transported to Syria?? The satelite photos/film that is supposedly "classified" and the CIA won't release it...NOW would be a good time to release it and CYA!!!!
And there were enough sarin/missles found already that would have killed thousands correct???
An envelope with BW chemicals in it could kill thousands...this crap can still be hidden anywhere for Pete's Sake!!
If he NEVER had the stuff then explain that to the Kurds!!

9 posted on 07/10/2004 8:04:05 AM PDT by FlashBack (Faith will not make our path easy, but it ill give us strength for the Journey.)
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To: dts32041

They got The Report, waited 5 minutes, then called in the cameras.

10 posted on 07/10/2004 8:23:04 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: AmericanChef
What I don't see being brought up is

1. Clinton had the same intelligence

2. The UN has a mile long list of IRAQI WMD that are unaccounted for.

The treaty with Iraq was "conditional". The war therefore never ended but was merely in limbo awaiting the cooperation of Saddam..which not only never happened, he kicked the "finders" out of his country.

11 posted on 07/10/2004 8:27:51 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: xzins

Isn't the Boy VP on it?
Or was on it?
Shouldn't he have been put on the defensive for not using Senatorial oversight to keep the agency strong.

12 posted on 07/10/2004 8:32:16 AM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: dts32041
The intelligence was true and accurate. That they were unable to act upon that information is hindsite criticism.

Even today we are unable to round up suspects as evidenced by the hysterical reaction to putting women's underwear on the head of suspected terrorists.

We can only pray for Attorney General Ashcroft and President Bush and hope that the terrorists don't know for sure what we know or what we will do with what we know.

Rant over!

13 posted on 07/10/2004 8:38:19 AM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER.......AND SINCE IT'S IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER)
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To: mabelkitty

boyvp was on it, but since he's in just his 1st term as a Senator, he might not have been on it for long.

14 posted on 07/10/2004 8:40:42 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: dts32041
The Washington, DC, elected are doing one of two things:

1. Either all their bickering and criticizing are only staged for show and behind the scenes they work better than we know, or

2. They are shaking in their boots.

If another major attack occurs on American soil and thousands of Americans are murdered, not one elected (Senate/House/Presidency) would probably get re-elected his/her next term.

Watching Senator Roberts buttcovering and Senator Rockerfeller politicizing yesterday was sickening. These are the people who represent America? We are in deep doo-doo.

They better hope the agencies they most severely criticized are watching their backs.

In the 1970's the CIA took allot of hits as the badboy; they were blames for most of the Nation's ills. It seems after yesterday's report, they are again the badboy scapegoat.

The Senators aren't asking the right questions (no more so than the 9-11 Commission is). The real question is: Why did the Intel agencies fail? Senators don't want that truth coming out. That truth reflects too much on the dismantling our of Intel services after the fall of the Soviet Union. The Senators want to point fingers and cast blame---elsewhere. They should be figuring out what the problem was and how to correct it.

Tenet, to the 9-11 Commission just a couple of months ago, said it would take ANOTHER five years for the CIA to be 'up to speed'. That sounded ludicrous then. Now, I wouldn't doubt it. Our 'elected' on Capitol Hill still seem to be clueless that terrorism is a worldwide threat and foreign terrorists do operate WITHIN our borders.
15 posted on 07/10/2004 8:48:44 AM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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16 posted on 07/10/2004 8:51:10 AM PDT by visagoth (If you think education is expensive - try ignorance)
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To: AmericanChef
They got The Report, waited 5 minutes, then called in the cameras.

Actually, that isn't true and I can't figure out why the big to-do yesterday with Sens. Roberts and Rockerfeller.

From the Senate website [notice the date of the release]:


JUNE 17, 2004
PHONE: (202) 224-1700

WASHINGTON, DC– Senator Pat Roberts, Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and Senator John D. Rockefeller IV, the Committee's Vice Chairman, issued the following joint statement:

"Today, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence voted unanimously to approve its report on pre-war intelligence regarding Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs, ties to terrorists, threat to regional stability and violations of human rights. Today's vote is the culmination of over one year of intense scrutiny by the Committee of the Intelligence Community's pre-war assessments. The Committee is currently engaged with the Central Intelligence Agency over the issue of classification. The Committee is extremely disappointed by the CIA's excessive redactions to the report. Our goal is to release publicly as much of the report's findings and conclusions as soon as possible. We will work toward that goal, as we continue our work on phase two of the Committee's review."


17 posted on 07/10/2004 8:53:48 AM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: visagoth

That's funny. Except it should also show him snowboarding, bicycling, playing baseball, riding the Harley (actually it is a Honda, but Harley sounded more impressive), etc., and then have the caption: "I just haven't had time."

18 posted on 07/10/2004 8:56:29 AM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: dts32041
I'm suspicious of this choice by the Senate Intelligence Committee to suddenly place all of the "blame" on the CIA and exonerate President Bush. They are still up to something. Just a little reminder about what we are dealing with:
Wednesday, November 5, 2003

WASHINGTON – U.S. Senator Zell Miller (D-GA) today released the following statement concerning a memo written by Democratic staff on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence that suggests ways to politicize intelligence data:

“I have often said that the process in Washington is so politicized and polarized that it can’t even be put aside when we’re at war. Never has that been proved more true than the highly partisan and perhaps treasonous memo prepared for the Democrats on the Intelligence Committee.

“Of all the committees, this is the one single committee that should unquestionably be above partisan politics. The information it deals with should never, never be distorted, compromised or politicized in any shape, form or fashion. For it involves the lives of our soldiers and our citizens. Its actions should always be above reproach; its words never politicized.

“If what has happened here is not treason, it is its first cousin. The ones responsible - be they staff or elected or both should be dealt with quickly and severely sending a lesson to all that this kind of action will not be tolerated, ignored or excused.

“Heads should roll!”

To read the original leaked memo to the Democrat members of the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, click here: DemMemoGate

19 posted on 07/10/2004 9:08:49 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: dts32041
No comment on this committee should be uttered without reference to Sean Hannity's book "Deliver Us From Evil", Chapter 8: Playing Politics at the Water's Edge. Hannity exposes Senator Jay Rockefeller as the person behind the infamous memo outlining how Democrats planned to politicize the committee; to benefit Democrats and make the Bush administration look bad.

Also from that chapter is the comment by Democrat Zell Miller of Georgia, who described the plot as "the first cousin of Treason."

20 posted on 07/10/2004 9:13:02 AM PDT by Morgan in Denver
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To: marty60

Intelligence failure does not happen over night or within 3 years. It takes several years of neglect. The President and the Senate are responsible for taking care of the intelligence community. 911 commission said the CIA didn't have enough manpower or arabic linguist to take care of business. You reap what you sow.

21 posted on 07/10/2004 6:09:51 PM PDT by Milligan
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22 posted on 07/11/2004 2:30:55 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Milligan
Aparently you are unaware of the campaign by the evil dums since the 1970's to destroy the CIA. But as with any good commie/fascist/socialist political group, they know you have to destroy by stealth. They have for over 20 years been infiltrating the CIA with people that hate this country as much as they do.

Think of the enormity of the power the CIA has. They give a President intelligence, they make it sound as bad as possible, the President is left with nothing else to do but act. Especially after a direct attack on the United States. that kind of power is dangerous in the wrong hands. I believe the Cia has been infiltrated by politic hacks. Look at Plame and her stupid husband Wilson. is this the best the CIA will do, send their spouses out to get info.

23 posted on 07/11/2004 3:27:35 AM PDT by marty60
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To: marty60

Totally agree. Can't blame Bush which these commie/facist/socialist are trying to do. Teddy looks kind of foolish to say the whole war in Iraq was fabricated in Texas.

24 posted on 07/11/2004 10:32:07 AM PDT by Milligan
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