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Iran's supreme leader proposes national costume
SABCNews ^ | 7/10/04 | SABCNews

Posted on 07/10/2004 12:38:35 PM PDT by freedom44

Iranians should design a national costume of which they can be proud but should not take their lead from the pages of Western fashion magazines, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran's supreme leader, was quoted as saying today. Conservatives have recently launched a crackdown on young women who flout Iran's strict Islamic dress codes by wearing figure-hugging coats and allowing hair to spill out from under their headscarves.

But Khamenei, who has the last word on all state matters, said there was no need for panic. "The young people in this country are pure believers and joyful and are very interested in Islam," he was quoted as telling young people in the western city of Hamadan. The Sharq daily said he returned to the idea of a national costume which he floated years ago.

"Arabs, Indians, Indonesians and Africans have their own costumes and they are proud of them," Khamenei said. "I say sit down and design a national costume. But I am not saying that it should be something dating back to 500 years ago," he added. "I am saying if you want to cut your hair short, if you want to change the way you put on make-up, if you want to change the way you walk - then do it."

"If fashion designers in Europe and America design a kind of clothes for men and women in their fashion magazines, should we copy them in Tehran, Mashhad and Hamadan? That would be bad," he said. "Cultural mimicry is a big danger, but don't get me wrong, I am not opposed to fashion, variety and innovation."

Khamenei, normally attired in black turban and long clerical robes, said there was nothing wrong with coats and trousers and that from time to time he would wear a western-style raincoat. A national costume would be of particular interest to hardline cleric Ahmad Khatami, who expressed his fears on sartorial freedoms to the Hambastegi newspaper.

"Some women appear in the streets half a millimetre from breaking the Islamic dress code. It is a very dangerous trend," he said. - Reuters


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KEYWORDS: fashion; iran; khamenei
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1 posted on 07/10/2004 12:38:36 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44
Maybe by focusing on fashion, the mad mullahs are losing interest in delivering a nuke on Israel...

Nah.

5.56mm

2 posted on 07/10/2004 12:42:30 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: freedom44

Costume?
3 posted on 07/10/2004 12:42:57 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44

I want to help with this problem.

They need to stay in their culture whilst bridging the gap into the 21st century. We are talking about a 1300 year bridge.

Complex problems need simple answers. Continue to wear the turban, but top it with a Cubs hat, turned backwards.

You are welcome.


4 posted on 07/10/2004 12:44:32 PM PDT by AlbertWang
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To: freedom44
"Some women appear in the streets half a millimetre from breaking the Islamic dress code. It is a very dangerous trend,"

Get a life!

5 posted on 07/10/2004 12:44:41 PM PDT by NetValue (They're not Americans, they're democrats. They hate the US Constitution.)
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To: freedom44

6 posted on 07/10/2004 12:46:37 PM PDT by snopercod (What we have lost will not be returned to us.)
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To: AlbertWang

That's what he means, normal Iranians don't wear the Turban only religious clerics wear it, whereas in Arabic countries the Turban is part of their national costume.

He's saying Iranians should implement their own costume and not copy other countries, especially the west.

Interesting, that his own costume was taken from the Arabs.


7 posted on 07/10/2004 12:46:40 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44

I am right in the middle of "Reading Lolita in Tehran" about the failure of the Iranian Islamic Republic. So far a great book!


8 posted on 07/10/2004 12:48:48 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: snopercod

9 posted on 07/10/2004 12:49:04 PM PDT by snopercod (What we have lost will not be returned to us.)
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To: snopercod

Attracted to this because of my tagline. But what is it? :)


10 posted on 07/10/2004 12:49:43 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: NetValue; freedom44; M Kehoe; AlbertWang
Sheik Omar abdel-Rahman, a.k.a. "The Blind Sheik":

NOW THOSE HAREM BEASTS ARE SHOWING A FLASH OF ANKLE? WHORES! THEY ARE ALL WHORES!

11 posted on 07/10/2004 12:52:02 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (Where you are, well, there you is! That's all there is to it. Isn't there?)
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To: NetValue

In "Reading Lolita in Tehran" they talk about a book by Khomenyni (sp) ... wherein he talks about having sex with animals to resist the urge. He even went so far as to proclaim that if a man had sex with a chicken, that he could (later) not eat the chicken. I am not making this up ... nor do I know if the story is correct. The book is a best seller and otherwise appears totally serious.


12 posted on 07/10/2004 12:53:31 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: freedom44
Iranians should design a national costume of which they can be proud

Don't those shoes with the curled toes already qualify?

13 posted on 07/10/2004 12:54:42 PM PDT by asgardshill
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To: BunnySlippers

Holloween costume?


14 posted on 07/10/2004 12:57:37 PM PDT by snopercod (What we have lost will not be returned to us.)
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To: freedom44

Wow, Iranians don't want their girls dressing like Britney Spears and Madonna?

Imagine that!


15 posted on 07/10/2004 1:01:05 PM PDT by Guillermo (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad.)
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To: asgardshill

It's funny because some decades ago there was a concerted effort in the Middle East to get rid of the fez for all that it represented.


16 posted on 07/10/2004 1:01:24 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: freedom44

Having their own version of "wardrobe malfunction" it seems.


17 posted on 07/10/2004 1:03:02 PM PDT by EggsAckley (You can't be pro small business and pro trial lawyer at the same time!)
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To: asgardshill

Iranians should design a national costume of which they can be proud
Don't those shoes with the curled toes already qualify?


I hear wooden boxes are the comming thing for mullahs next year.


18 posted on 07/10/2004 1:03:54 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Well, the baggy pants HAD to go. Too many sharp edges on camels.


19 posted on 07/10/2004 1:04:10 PM PDT by asgardshill
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To: NetValue
"Some women appear in the streets half a millimetre from breaking the Islamic dress code. It is a very dangerous trend,"

Not too far removed from the "I Love Lucy" sleep in separate beds mentality of the 50's.

20 posted on 07/10/2004 1:05:10 PM PDT by zarf
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To: tet68
(I) hear wooden boxes are the comming thing for mullahs next year.

American Standard makes a sturdy, cheap model of coffin that we could easily export to the Middle East. The only problem is getting them to leave the seat down when they finish using it.

21 posted on 07/10/2004 1:06:07 PM PDT by asgardshill
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To: The Scourge of Yazid

Iron Sheik?
22 posted on 07/10/2004 1:06:50 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44

And, for our very survival, it is with these people we must negotiate?


23 posted on 07/10/2004 1:07:32 PM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: The Scourge of Yazid

Women let a bit of their hair show - and he himself admits to wearing a WESTERN STYLE RAINCOAT! It's all just hell in a handbasket over there in Iran!


24 posted on 07/10/2004 1:08:24 PM PDT by Moonmad27 (Vote for GWB in November - we MUST win.)
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To: freedom44
"Iran's supreme leader proposes national costume"

Hey dude... how about a nice Pig Skin Turban???

25 posted on 07/10/2004 1:08:52 PM PDT by Dacus943
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To: freedom44

26 posted on 07/10/2004 1:09:03 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Liberalism is the end result of too many people peeing in the gene pool.)
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To: freedom44
Khamenei, normally attired in black turban and long clerical robes, said there was nothing wrong with coats and trousers and that from time to time he would wear a western-style raincoat.

Sometimes when it rains I would wear a black turban. But I don't.

27 posted on 07/10/2004 1:09:43 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: BunnySlippers; faludeh_shirazi; freedom44; Mo1; nuconvert; F14 Pilot
Ugh!

I couldn't get past the first few pages of that one.

I think that the term "overrated bestseller" was coined with books like "Lolita in Tehran" in mind.

If you want to read a really great autobiography or memoir of an Iranian, or in this case, an Iranian-American, woman, pick up Funny in Farsi.

Not only is this a wonderfully moving and amusing book, but it is also very brief in terms of page count.

In fact, it should probably take you less than a day to complete, if you can devote a few hours of your day to just sitting down and enjoying a good book.

28 posted on 07/10/2004 1:09:51 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (Where you are, well, there you is! That's all there is to it. Isn't there?)
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To: AlbertWang

29 posted on 07/10/2004 1:13:44 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (..dirty little secret: John Edwards blow dries his hair)
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To: reagan_fanatic

I don't get the nazi reference.


30 posted on 07/10/2004 1:14:20 PM PDT by Rebelbase (If Peace is Patriotic why are they ashamed to fly the Flag?)
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To: The Scourge of Yazid; BunnySlippers

The best read is Afshin Molavi's Persian Pilgrames, if you get the chance - pick it up!


31 posted on 07/10/2004 1:15:18 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44
...who flout Iran's strict Islamic dress codes by wearing figure-hugging coats and allowing hair to spill out from under their head scarves.

First it starts with coats and loose scarves and then it leads inevitably to topless swim suits...

But Khamenei, who has the last word on all state matters, said there was no need for panic. [The top mullah tells Iranian young people they need a national costume and he thinks they don't need to panic?]

"The young people in this country are pure believers and joyful and are very interested in Islam," he was quoted as telling young people in the western city of Hamadan. [If Khamenei laid off hash it might substantially reduce the national drug problem and he'd stop having those hallucinations].

The Sharq daily said he returned to the idea of a national costume which he floated years ago.[No doubt it did float.]

32 posted on 07/10/2004 1:15:34 PM PDT by xJones
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To: The Scourge of Yazid

Forget the Cubs hat, I have a better idea.

These guys are rich, right? (If not, how did they screw up the Irainian economy?)

What they need as a national costume is some Major Leage Bling. Sadaam already had gold plated six shooters. We need to have a 3 gold chain minimum, gold teef mandatory, Rolex Required, and a bogus Super Bowl Ring on every finger.


33 posted on 07/10/2004 1:18:14 PM PDT by AlbertWang
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To: xJones; All; PhilDragoo

Hash? What Hash?
34 posted on 07/10/2004 1:18:38 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44
I've taken down the title, and I'll definitely look into it.

Maybe I'll suggest it to someone as a Christmas present this year.

35 posted on 07/10/2004 1:19:29 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (Where you are, well, there you is! That's all there is to it. Isn't there?)
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To: ErnBatavia

Moa!

Chairmain Ayatolla Khomani!


36 posted on 07/10/2004 1:20:44 PM PDT by AlbertWang
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To: The Scourge of Yazid

Well, I guess it shows that it is a matter of taste. I hated "Funny in Farsi". It was horrible.


37 posted on 07/10/2004 1:21:27 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: freedom44
I don't think they're related.

Rahman was all the way over in Egypt, orchestrating organized violence directed at Copts, Muslim bystanders, and Western tourists, when the "Iron Sheik" was suiting up to square off against Sgt. Slaughter.

Though, if you could find a picture of "The Sheik" I'd be really impressed.

Especially if he's in the same shot with "Abdullah the Butcher."

38 posted on 07/10/2004 1:24:21 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (Where you are, well, there you is! That's all there is to it. Isn't there?)
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To: freedom44

Yep. Make everyone believe in the same version of the same religion. Make everyone dress alike. Soon everyone will think alike.


39 posted on 07/10/2004 1:24:37 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Moonmad27; StriperSniper; BunnySlippers; xJones; AlbertWang
Saudi version of Richard Bey:

(Throws his hands into the air. Looks up at the ceiling. Trudges down steps. Looks over at nasty muttawa, who is sent by the Ministry for the promotion of Virture and prevention of Vice to censor his very risque show. Slumps down on last step of studio. And yells...)

WHERE DO THEY FIND THESE PEOPLE???

40 posted on 07/10/2004 1:26:47 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (Where you are, well, there you is! That's all there is to it. Isn't there?)
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To: Rebelbase

Costumes, uniforms, everyone alike, it is what NAZISM is about..not just white supremecy but taking away one's individualism, freedom, ability to be unique. And it is about being prejudice against blacks, jews and anyone who is not white, of course no one is really all white, whatever that is??


41 posted on 07/10/2004 1:30:32 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: The Scourge of Yazid

They look long and hard to find leaders with such ridiculous principles...it isn't easy but someone always shows up more stringent than the last one.


42 posted on 07/10/2004 1:31:41 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Kackikat; Homer_J_Simpson; freedom44
Homer Simpson:

You mean, worse than Ayatollah Montazeri IV? More sinister than the evil Ayatollah Rahbedan? Or, the dreaded Ayatollah Rasul? NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

43 posted on 07/10/2004 1:38:22 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (Where you are, well, there you is! That's all there is to it. Isn't there?)
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To: freedom44

Your clown pic is funny.....but a national costume? It's getting scarier.
Something in an attractive mud-brown color that covers women entirely, with the exception of their eyes, nose and mouth? Deja vu? Haven't they done that already?
I feel Khamenei's hand on the country of Iran's 'cell door' and he's slowly pushing it closed.


44 posted on 07/10/2004 1:39:15 PM PDT by nuconvert ( "Let Freedom Reign !" ) ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: The Scourge of Yazid

Montazeri? Maybe I misunderstand.


45 posted on 07/10/2004 1:43:04 PM PDT by nuconvert ( "Let Freedom Reign !" ) ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: nuconvert; freedom44; GVgirl; cyborg; NYC GOP Chick; LoudRepublicangirl; DoctorZIn
Believe it or not, there's actually a store located around the beginning of Sunset Park-about a ten or fifteen minute bus ride from my apartment-that sells "fashionable" chadors.

It's kind of funny-and simultaneously depressing-when you glance at the store's front window and begin to browse through what some people consider to be clothing that is de rigeur.

46 posted on 07/10/2004 1:48:19 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (Where you are, well, there you is! That's all there is to it. Isn't there?)
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To: nuconvert
It was a joke.

I realize that he isn't one of the most obnoxious of the mullahs.

I was merely trying to convey a point by making a humorous aside, i.e. "there are so many radical mullahs that exert pressure on the freedom-loving people of that country, and they are all virtually indistinguisable-with a few exceptions-from one another."

47 posted on 07/10/2004 1:51:36 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (Where you are, well, there you is! That's all there is to it. Isn't there?)
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To: NetValue

plaid or paisley burka's. Yeah, What a fashion statement.

How about tartans, what about corderoy for winter and seersucker for summer...what an innovator.


48 posted on 07/10/2004 3:05:48 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED ( Public Serivce announcement for Kerry supporters::GO CHENEY YOURSELF)
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To: Rebelbase
I don't get the nazi reference.

The mullahs and the nazis share many of the same inclinations towards the Jews and now the mullahs are looking for a new costume...hence the nazi uniform reference.
49 posted on 07/10/2004 3:11:48 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Liberalism is the end result of too many people peeing in the gene pool.)
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To: The Scourge of Yazid
Hummmmm, it would be interesting to know what Khamenei would approve of. The national costume would have to cover the body from the top of the neck to the bottom of the feet, and be loosely fitting so as not to reveal any shape. Also the hair has to be covered.

Off hand I can think of two examples that are internationally used: circus elephants' robes with matching caps, or long-sleeved surgical uniforms with paper caps to completely cover the hair. Somehow I doubt the Iranian women would like either idea.

Bozo has to face facts; anything that loosely covers as much as he wants covered could be designed the most economically by the HEFTY or GLAD plastic bag people. And the good news would be be that black is already their favorite color.

50 posted on 07/10/2004 3:42:30 PM PDT by xJones
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