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Osama's Revenge
Warren Zevon ^ | 7/10/04 | Warren Zevon

Posted on 07/11/2004 2:16:41 AM PDT by beyond the sea

According to the new book "Osama's Revenge", by Paul Williams, who was interviewed by Linda Vester yesterday, Bin Laden purchased 80 suitcase nuclear bombs from the so-called Russian Mafia. Furthermore, he says many of these bombs have already been smuggled into the USA and are dispersed around the country. Given their love for syncronization, there won't be any warning, but rather dozens going off at the same time all over the country.

A rather frightening thought. People in Israel and the UK are also major targets, obviously. Williams goes on to say that he has confirmed all of this with various nations' intelligence agencies including USA, UK, Pakistan, Russia, etc., but that our government, and the media, will not tell the truth as they are afraid of what it might do to our economy, stock market, etc. There is also fear of civil disobience as Arab-descent persons may become victims of mob violence and persecution.

Williams feels we will come under nuclear attack, most likely this year, but definitely by next year.

Of course, he is trying to sell his book so his motives are questionable. Also, if Bin Laden had all these bombs, why hasn't he used any of them yet. One nuke, regardless how small, would surely result in more fear and press than hundreds of beheadings and car bombs. But I wondered what you all thought about these claims.

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The UN along with the Soviet military tried to inventory these "suitcase bombs" and only found half of them.

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From the Publisher of the book:

Former consultant for the FBI on organized crime and international terrorism and a seasoned investigative reporter, Paul Williams reveals the potential for nuclear terrorism on U.S. soil in this shocking exposé. Based on the findings of U.S., Israeli, Pakistani, and U.K. intelligence, Williams describes how the theft of tactical nuclear weapons from Russian arsenals have in all likelihood made their way to al-Qaeda cells throughout the United States in preparation for the next terrorist attack.

Williams presents evidence showing that, in the chaos following the demise of the Soviet Union, the Chechen mafia got their hands on portable Russian nuclear weapons. Between 1996 and 2001, they negotiated the sale of twenty nuclear “suitcase bombs” to representatives of Osama bin Laden. According to Williams, reliable sources indicate that these bombs may already be in the possession of al-Qaeda cells in New York, Washington, Miami, Chicago, Las Vegas, Houston, and Los Angeles. In addition, bin Laden has recruited former Soviet scientists and technicians to maintain these weapons and recharge their nuclear cores so that they may be deployed immediately on his command. In 2001, he issued a statement boasting of a “Hiroshima” against America.

Also included in the book are bin Laden's "Letter to America" and his "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places," as well as the World Islamic Statement declaring "Jihad against Jews and Crusaders." These crucial documents highlight the rationale behind and the depth of bin Laden's hatred for the United States. Moreover, Williams documents that Osama has the international network of embedded terrorists to carry out his threats.

Although the media have reported on some of these threatening developments and government insiders have acknowledged the threat of nuclear attack, no one until now has put all the pieces together in a coherent, no-nonsense way. Williams makes a persuasive case that Bin Laden and his deputies have the motive and the means and are waiting for the right opportunity to launch an apocalyptic attack against the “Great Satan” of America.

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Paul Williams, Ph.D. (Clarks Green, PA), is a journalist and author of The Vatican Exposed: Money, Murder, and the Mafia among other books. Formerly, he served as a consultant for the FBI, editor and publisher of the Metro, and an adjunct professor of Humanities at the University of Scranton.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaedastrategy; attack; binladen; bombs; bookreview; hiroshima; intelligence; mafia; obl; osama; osamasrevenge; paulwilliams; russia; smuggled; suitcasenukes; syncronization; terror; warning
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Who thinks any of this may be a reality? Just wondering.

God bless the world and the better nature in all of us.

1 posted on 07/11/2004 2:16:42 AM PDT by beyond the sea
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To: beyond the sea

see this post. I believe they are related.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1168653/posts?q=1&&page=1#1


2 posted on 07/11/2004 2:19:34 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: beyond the sea

I tend to disbelieve this kind of thing, given the physics of "suitcase nukes" and the level of sophistication of the jihadis. Politically they can be quite sophisticated, but when it comes to science they know nothing but explosives and poison. Furthermore, the idea that these jihadis have these weapons and are waiting to use them doesn't square with their past behavior. The fact of him using it to sell a book also doesn't sit right with me... if this stuff is true, simply writing a book about it doesn't seem to me to be an appropriate response.


3 posted on 07/11/2004 2:24:09 AM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: Jet Jaguar
That report does sound extremely serious by the way even Daschle responded to it.

However, I believe the information on the suitcase nukes being in this country has been around for some time. This is extremely serious. I just don't believe the government wants to tell the American people. And, when you really think about it, what could any one of us do about it if we knew the truth? I would not like to live in the center of a big U.S. city these days.

On a higher level, what can the world and American leaders do to try to diffuse this hatred for America? This must be stopped.

4 posted on 07/11/2004 2:30:25 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: beyond the sea

Liberals would love that scenario, they would rebuild the country as a socialist utopia.


5 posted on 07/11/2004 2:32:12 AM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com)
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To: thoughtomator
if this stuff is true, simply writing a book about it doesn't seem to me to be an appropriate response.

What response would you prefer that Mr. Williams have? Would you like for him to buy time for a CNN television special?

6 posted on 07/11/2004 2:32:53 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: beyond the sea

I'd like him to take all his info to the Dept. of Homeland Security and/or the Dept. of Defense, then keep his big mouth shut about it so the enemy doesn't get clued in as to how much we know or don't know about their plans. If millions of lives were on the line as he alleges, "loose lips sink ships" should take priority over book royalties.


7 posted on 07/11/2004 2:35:16 AM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: GeronL
Liberals would love that scenario, they would rebuild the country as a socialist utopia.

They're doing that now, but it's far from a utopia..... more like a socialist sewer where most of the citizens are somnambulant.

8 posted on 07/11/2004 2:35:50 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: beyond the sea

I hate to be a pain in the ass. But, this hatred for America can be dealt with in one way only. Victory over the islamo- facists.


9 posted on 07/11/2004 2:37:17 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: thoughtomator
I'd like him to take all his info to the Dept. of Homeland Security and/or the Dept. of Defense,

Do you really think the government doesn't know this already, if it is in fact true?

10 posted on 07/11/2004 2:37:36 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: beyond the sea
The system we have today is economic slavery and it is supported by both parties. They take from your pocket and give it to companies as subsidies who give it back to the politicians as contributions (laundering). In return regulations amd sometimes outright monopoly status is given to the company. Try starting a peanut farm without a license. Try selling milk at prices lower than the government thinks should be allowed. Try selling eggs without joining the Egg Board.

So food prices go up because government said so and they launch welfare programs to feed the poor.

Now everyone is beholden to big fat government.

11 posted on 07/11/2004 2:40:09 AM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com)
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To: Jet Jaguar
I hate to be a pain in the ass.

But, this hatred for America can be dealt with in one way only. Victory over the islamo- facists.

Makes sense to me! But how do we explain the apparent growing dislike for America in other parts of the world. It's not as if these terrorists are acting in a vacuum. As the days go by in fact, we are learning more and more about French involvement in activities that have killed our soldiers and hurt the effort in Iraq.

12 posted on 07/11/2004 2:41:17 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: beyond the sea
I believe Osama's dead.

I have a hard time believing that if al-Qaeda had suitcase nukes that they wouldn't of used them already.

Especially on Israel.

So this gives me hope that they in fact do not have them in their possession (at least so far).
13 posted on 07/11/2004 2:45:46 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: beyond the sea

If it is in fact true, then it is arguably treason to reveal war intelligence to the enemy. As the author doesn't benefit anyone but himself by writing the book, I conclude that this is ultimately no different from any other claim that the end is near.


14 posted on 07/11/2004 2:48:30 AM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: beyond the sea
"But how do we explain the apparent growing dislike for America in other parts of the world."

Shame.

We've given too much.

Now they hate us because they feel inferior.
15 posted on 07/11/2004 2:49:13 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: DB

That is the best argument


16 posted on 07/11/2004 2:49:26 AM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com)
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To: beyond the sea

Chirac's Gov't hates the White House and it's actions in Iraq. They lost a ton of money. Also, remember this, the French have a problem of immigrants and illegal aliens as well. However, these cats are from Algeria, Egypt, and other Moslem countries.

The Old Europe is becoming increasingly anti-Isreal. I believe this is related to the increasing abundance of hard core Muslims taking over France and Germany.

The problem is not as wide spread as reported. The Muslims are populating Germany and France. But, not all of Europe.

Agence France Presse has been on site to film attacks on coalition troop movements. I do believe they are encouraging attacks on our troops.


17 posted on 07/11/2004 2:54:03 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: thoughtomator
As the author doesn't benefit anyone but himself by writing the book, I conclude that this is ultimately no different from any other claim that the end is near. --

You may very well be right, but this information goes way back, as an example from CNS Reports:

Former Russian Security Council Secretary Aleksandr Lebed has stirred controversy in both Russia and the United States with his allegations that the Russian government is currently unable to account for some eighty small atomic demolition munitions (ADMs) which were manufactured in the USSR during the Cold War. Lebed originally made the allegations in a closed meeting with a US congressional delegation in May 1997. His charges generated public controversy three months later when he repeated them in an interview with the CBS newsmagazine 60 Minutes, which was broadcast on 7 September 1997.

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All I know is that I saw this fellow being interviewed on FoxNews on Friday around noon by a male (who's name escapes me), and Mr. Williams was quite alarmed and very serious. And I consider myself a rather excellent judge of whether someone is being honest. But, who knows. Time will tell, and there isn't much of it, IMO.

18 posted on 07/11/2004 2:56:06 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: DB
I believe Osama's dead. __

I tend to agree with you. But he wasn't (isn't) alone in his hatred for all things American.

20 posted on 07/11/2004 2:57:31 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: beyond the sea

A number of high level nuclear experts who know something about suitcase nuclear technology have indicated that any such devices are no longer operational. These devices require constant maintenance (the radiation from the payload disintegrates the control circuitry). Also, these devices are very noisy radioactive sources that can be readily detected by nuclear sensors.

Last point, Al Quada is mostly a bunch of savages with little technical knowledge. They are also opportunistic. If they had a chance at this level of attack, it would have been done long back, while they still had the chance.

The whole story line makes for a good book, but I won't be reading it.


21 posted on 07/11/2004 3:00:02 AM PDT by putupjob
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To: beyond the sea

A list was read by the Vice President the other day of countries that Al Qaeda has hit. It was a very LONG list.

Considering their considerably lower population, on a pro rata basis, their suffering has been great because of terrorist attacks as well.

One doesn't try to appease or "lessen the hate" with an enemy that literally hates anyone who is different from them.

Al Qaeda hates indiscriminately and although we may be the biggest target, that is merely because it feeds their ego that they can try to bring down the biggest, strongest country in the world.


22 posted on 07/11/2004 3:00:04 AM PDT by Peach
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To: beyond the sea

That's true, but that's not the subject of this article.


23 posted on 07/11/2004 3:00:20 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: DB
You are exactly RIGHT! Right on the button.

In the book "Demian" by Hermann Hesse there was an interpretation of the Bible story of Cain and Abel put forth by one of the characters. The arguement was made in the book that Cain was "marked" not because he was evil or bad, but because he was superior and thusly feared by the weaker folks who were jealous of his power.

This is what is happening to America now, in my opinion. We are disdained because of our strength. You are so right.

But, what can be done to stop this. How can we stop from being "marked" (or destroyed) as Cain was? We better hurry up and figure this out!

24 posted on 07/11/2004 3:04:18 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
I do believe they are encouraging attacks on our troops.--

Right. Despicable.

25 posted on 07/11/2004 3:05:50 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: putupjob
Did you not read this?

In addition, bin Laden has recruited former Soviet scientists and technicians to maintain these weapons and recharge their nuclear cores so that they may be deployed immediately on his command.

26 posted on 07/11/2004 3:07:42 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: DB
Osama may surely be dead, but orders can certainly be given by others.

Hey, I prefer to think that this is all garbage, but something smells.

27 posted on 07/11/2004 3:12:19 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: beyond the sea

From a Warren Zevon bulletin board?


28 posted on 07/11/2004 3:22:18 AM PDT by xp38
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To: beyond the sea
what can the world and American leaders do to try to diffuse this hatred for America? This must be stopped.

It's simple. All we have to do is hand over all our arms to the jihadists, get on our knees and bear our throats for them to cut.

29 posted on 07/11/2004 3:22:28 AM PDT by fella
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To: beyond the sea

I guess we all pack up and go to Mars. There's no way to make the rest of the world love us. They have a terminal case of envy and haven't figured out that if America were destroyed, the world economy would go belly up. This might not have time to dawn on them, though, as bin Laden and his flunkies have assuredly been hiding suitcase nukes all over western Europe, too. They mean to take over the world. America is just the first bite of the apple.


30 posted on 07/11/2004 3:36:55 AM PDT by hershey
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To: DB
"Now they hate us because they feel inferior."

And they FEEL inferior because they ARE inferior.

31 posted on 07/11/2004 3:39:06 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: beyond the sea
In addition, bin Laden has recruited former Soviet scientists and technicians to maintain these weapons and recharge their nuclear cores so that they may be deployed immediately on his command.

While it is possible, it is unlikely that they go to Sears&Roebuck and buy new initiators and explosive lenses. The greater number of some of these devices smuggled, the greater the probability of them being detected. For example, some years ago, a junked piece of radiotherapy equipment found its way to a scrap dealer in Mexico. Rolling around the back of a truck, with the scrap iron were pellets of cobat60. The iron was melted and cast into decorative table legs of the type used in outdoor restaurants. A shipment of these tables was on an 18-wheeler that had to make a delivery to TMA Eberline, and when it pulled up it set off every detector in the place. None of the material ever found its way to the public...and this is just one example that an insignificant worker-ant like me is aware of.

In addition, enough material to form a critical mass in not just radioactively "hot", it is thermally hot, and sufficiently so that the charges deteriorate from the heat, and from neutron and gamma bombardment, in particular the explosives and binders used.

But a "dud" would make a serious dirty bomb, plutonium being one of the worst carcinogens known.

What would such an attack accomplish except to remind us that we have twice as many nuclear warheads and the people who were killed on 9-11, and provide us a perfect license to use them?

The other consequence, knowing the American temper when finally, finally provoked would be the festive decoration provided by Muslims dangling from every lamp post.

Well, it that's what it takes.....

32 posted on 07/11/2004 3:55:04 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Kerry, who refuses to go to work, "Knows how to put America back to work"!)
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To: DB

Don't underestimate their patience.They spent years planning 9/11.


33 posted on 07/11/2004 4:02:37 AM PDT by SirLurkedalot (God bless our Veterans!!! And God bless America!!!)
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To: beyond the sea

Is there anyone here who doesn't believe Osama would have used these bombs-if he had them- LONG AGO ??

The Chechens made similar empty claims,and,every so often a journalist says " Whoa ! 10-20-30-40 (pick your number) missing SUITCASE NUKES !!"

MOST LIKELY SCENARIO: The nukes did and do exist.(We have some of our own,by the way.)They are in Russia,and are closely guarded by the successor agencies to GRU,KGB,etc.

It's one thing to leave some grossly outdated nukes and non-functional rockets lightly guarded;quite another to take chances with state-of-the-art gear !


34 posted on 07/11/2004 4:06:59 AM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: GeronL
"Liberals would love that scenario, they would rebuild the country as a socialist utopia."

Wrong. The liberals are not the ones with the guns.

AV

35 posted on 07/11/2004 4:12:23 AM PDT by Atomic Vomit (Have a look: http://www.volcanicfishermen.com)
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To: beyond the sea

Without maintenance, these bombs are still a problem, but they will more go "sputter, flame" than boom. They'll thoroughly contaminate a small area (depending upon how they are placed), but they're more valuable for the nuclear materials than their structure as a bomb.


36 posted on 07/11/2004 4:13:06 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: beyond the sea

I once bought a vrey profitable toll bridge from the Russian Mafia.


37 posted on 07/11/2004 4:13:35 AM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: beyond the sea; All
FYI, and FWIW:

Tiny Nukes-- the backpack threat

38 posted on 07/11/2004 4:17:58 AM PDT by backhoe (A Nuke for every Kook... what a Clinton "legacy...")
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To: thoughtomator
Politically they can be quite sophisticated, but when it comes to science they know nothing but explosives and poison.

And this conclusion is based on..............?

39 posted on 07/11/2004 4:47:54 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: beyond the sea

"Makes sense to me! But how do we explain the apparent growing dislike for America in other parts of the world. It's not as if these terrorists are acting in a vacuum. As the days go by in fact, we are learning more and more about French involvement in activities that have killed our soldiers and hurt the effort in Iraq"

You have to remember that for the french, it WAS about the oil (and also making money by selling them banned weapons)


40 posted on 07/11/2004 4:48:26 AM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq (,)
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To: backhoe; Mia T; martin_fierro; jjbrouwer
I have appreciated your posts for years and years (all of you-younz). You are the best. If you feel like it, include me in on anything you learn of AANYONE in the government who will give Jayna Davis or David Schippers the time of day.

You know ........ and I know that this government has lied about so damn many things (for our own protection, doncha know) at least since JFK through Flight 800, OKC, Flight 587 (the food cart went out of control and rolled backwards destroying the tail) and mostly everything else.

I still hold out the hope that there still is a decent CongressCritter who may eventually tell the truth about something or other. Maybe I'm nuts, or just a sappy, active romantic! Stay in touch. We are nearly twins (or quintuplets).

41 posted on 07/11/2004 4:48:47 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: SendShaqtoIraq
You have to remember that for the french, it WAS about the oil (and also making money by selling them banned weapons)--

Right on. Chirrr-awkward is one large piece of SH*T! I'd like to take that sorry *ss out behind my great American barn and feed him a nice pile of chicken sh*t - one teaspoon at a time. Because that is what he is CHICKEN SH*T!

42 posted on 07/11/2004 4:52:32 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: js1138
I once bought a vrey profitable toll bridge from the Russian Mafia.

Where did you put it - between Bill and Hillary's beds in the White House. No wonder there was no traffic.

43 posted on 07/11/2004 4:54:57 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: lepton

Bingo.


44 posted on 07/11/2004 4:55:34 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: putupjob
the radiation from the payload disintegrates the control circuitry

Only very very very slowly, if at all. The amount of shielding needed to keep electronics safe from, for example, alpha particles given off by plutonium, is very small - perhaps nothing more than the normal package on an IC is needed. Your skin stops alpha particles.

Simple nukes that do not use tritium to enhance yields have a long shelf life. The reccomended service interval might be (guessing) 6-18 months or so, but they should be "good" for many years, maybe 20 or more, depending mainly on how batteries are stored, or if they can be installed just before arming them, etc.

45 posted on 07/11/2004 4:58:01 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: Gorzaloon
The other consequence, knowing the American temper when finally, finally provoked would be the festive decoration provided by Muslims dangling from every lamp post. Well, it that's what it takes.....---------

A very interesting vision! I must go get a few more lamp posts.

46 posted on 07/11/2004 4:59:25 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: beyond the sea
"........But, what can be done to stop this. How can we stop from being "marked" (or destroyed) as Cain was?......."

Hmmmmmmmm...............Allow unfettered immigration from countries and peoples that hate our guts and do not pressure them to assimilate to the Western lifestyle but instead retain their 3rd World values and also promote their hateful worldview by advocating Multiculturalism and revisionist History that lays the entire panaoply of the world's ills at the doorstep of the White, European Race.

In the end, THEY will be become America, and America will not be attacked since it is then more like THEM than US.

Problem solved.

47 posted on 07/11/2004 5:00:36 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: hershey
They have a terminal case of envy

Post # 24. I totally agree.

But this "envy" and whatever may cause us alot of death before it's all over. I say we smoke them first!

48 posted on 07/11/2004 5:02:48 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: DB

I too believe Osama is dead & has been for some time. I have read that suitcase nukes, if there is such a thing, have an expiration date, kind of like milk. You can't just put one in the closet like luggage for several years & then expect it to work.


49 posted on 07/11/2004 5:03:07 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: putupjob
Last point, Al Quada is mostly a bunch of savages with little technical knowledge.

Underestimating your enemy is the beginning of your end.

If you believe that Al Quaida consists primarily of those individuals hiding in Afghanistan and Pakistan caves then you really are naive.

I suggest you visit your local mosques or those in Seattle, Detroit, Chicago etc and you'll see your neighborhood Al Quaida representatives that are not only well educated but also well off financially.

50 posted on 07/11/2004 5:05:16 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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