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***Libya Expected To Announce in September Report That Iraqi WMD DID Exist And Were Develped THERE**
Fox News | Stardate: 0407.11

Posted on 07/11/2004 8:31:23 AM PDT by The Wizard

One of the host of the John Batchlor ABC radio show just announced that there appears to be a report coming from Libya in Septmenmber that Saddam's WMD did exist and were being developed there, and that's why they weren't found in Iraq....


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KEYWORDS: batchelor; iraq; iraqandlibya; iraqlibya; johnbatchelor; johnloftus; libya; libyaandiraq; libyairaq; loftus; pokerhand; wmd
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1 posted on 07/11/2004 8:31:24 AM PDT by The Wizard
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I missed the guys name, but this was an explosive interview


2 posted on 07/11/2004 8:32:19 AM PDT by The Wizard (Democrats: enemies of America)
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To: The Wizard

Libya?


3 posted on 07/11/2004 8:33:49 AM PDT by Iwentsouth
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To: The Wizard
IMHO John Bachelor is a Art Bell type of guy. Take his comments with a grain of salt.
4 posted on 07/11/2004 8:34:17 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: The Wizard; My2Cents

A Fox News show some months ago:

Eric Shawn: "John Loftus told us about it months ago right here on Inside Scoop. John, that's why we call it, 'Inside Scoop' - you beat the New York Times again. Congratulations!"

John Loftus: "Thank you very much."

Eric: "How do you do it?"

John: "Well, ummm, this little country lawyer used to have a Q clearance for nuclear weapons secrets and I was told about this amazing wiretap where British Intelligence overheard a call from North Korea to Libya saying, 'My god, if the Americans ever go into Iraq, they're going to find out about our nuclear program. And who's going to pay all the Iraqi nuclear scientists in Libya if Saddam falls?''"

Eric: "You're saying before the war there were Iraqi nuclear scientists working on a potential bomb in Libya before we launched this [war in Iraq]?

John: "Yeah. This was a treaty signed by a man called Ali Sobree (sp?). He was the foreign minister of Iraq. And he went to Khadafy and they worked out a whole protocol. Khadafy would donate a hollowed out mountain in Libya; Iraq would provide the nuclear scientists, and North Korea would provide the uranium. And they would literally make a factory for nuclear weapons. And once that factory was complete, we had lost the war on terrorism. People don't realize that even a small nuclear weapon can kill 300,000 people. That's one hundred 9-11's. So that's why we put [garbled] bin Laden on the back burner -- we were really focusing on getting the Ali Sobree protocol - we had to smash that ring."

Eric: "Now when you talk about Saddam and the war on terror - we've had conversations - your indication is that President Bush understood this after 9-11 and he was mostly concerned about a nuclear bomb from Libya or Iraq or Iran."

John: "Eric, that's EXACTLY it. Within a month after 9-11, British wiretaps showed that we had a MAJOR risk. Nuclear weapons in terrorist's hands would be devastating. And that's why the president said, 'OK, we're gonna shift the emphasis from Afghanistan and Osama bin Laden. We're gonna go into Iraq - that's where the evidence is - we have to capture Ali Sobree."

Eric: "Yeah, but critics say, 'Oh the war is about oil' - ' The war is about democracy'. You say there's someting else going on. ..."

John: "This is absolutely necessary, Eric. Had we not smashed the program, within the next 3 or 4 months - on the schedule they were on - Libya would have finished the nuclear factory - we couldn't touch it. We were designing nuclear bunker-busters to try and get into the mountain [but] even that wouldn't work. Once the Islamic bomb was finished - America - the rest of the western nations were finished. We couldn't stand city after city evaporating by nuclear weapons."

Eric: "In other words, going into Iraq, in your view, having Khadafy now basically give up and surrender everything to us, getting the connection to North Korea and Iran - was a major strategy in the war on terror?"

John: "It was THE major strategy. Khadafy has now confirmed he is going to hand the Ali Sobree protocols over to the United States. Sobree, himself, is now in US custody and he is already scheduled as one of the first three witnesses in the trial of Saddam Hussein.

Sadam's biggest crime? While he was starving his own people to death, his money and his scientists were hiding in Libya to make a factory for nuclear weapons to attack any major power in the world." ..."


5 posted on 07/11/2004 8:34:37 AM PDT by Peach
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Some reports suggest that North Korea supplied the uranium, Libya supplied a hollowed out mountain which was bunker buster resistant, and Iraq supplied the scientists and nuclear program.


6 posted on 07/11/2004 8:36:31 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

thank you Peach.....


7 posted on 07/11/2004 8:36:59 AM PDT by The Wizard (Democrats: enemies of America)
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To: The Wizard

This smells, why wait for September?


8 posted on 07/11/2004 8:36:59 AM PDT by gilliam
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To: gilliam

I missed why the date, but it sounded like a report is being prepared and that's when It will be ready


9 posted on 07/11/2004 8:37:53 AM PDT by The Wizard (Democrats: enemies of America)
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To: The Wizard

You know, I never thought I would ever be happy to hear Qaddaffi open his mouth, but in this case...


10 posted on 07/11/2004 8:38:50 AM PDT by Stag
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To: The Wizard

Another freeper, who may make himself known on this thread :-) actually supplied me this information about a week ago and knows far more about it than I do.

I've asked this freeper to consider a thread, gathering all the information, on the North Korea/Libya/Iraq matter. This may be that thread.


11 posted on 07/11/2004 8:38:57 AM PDT by Peach
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To: The Wizard

A New York Times article headlined "Koreans links to Libya's nuclear program".

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1140538/posts


12 posted on 07/11/2004 8:40:43 AM PDT by Peach
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To: The Wizard

Just heard this on Fox.


13 posted on 07/11/2004 8:40:55 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: Peach

links=linked


14 posted on 07/11/2004 8:41:04 AM PDT by Peach
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To: MEG33

This is blockbuster news and explains why Blair, GWB and Cheney have held fast and hard....


15 posted on 07/11/2004 8:43:40 AM PDT by The Wizard (Democrats: enemies of America)
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To: The Wizard

BTTT


16 posted on 07/11/2004 8:43:55 AM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: The Wizard; Peach

Outstanding!


17 posted on 07/11/2004 8:47:48 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Just another Bush-bot biddy drinking that Republican KoolAid.)
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To: The Wizard

Libya trying to turn over a new leaf is starting to make more sense now.


18 posted on 07/11/2004 8:48:40 AM PDT by Mixer
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To: KB4W

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19 posted on 07/11/2004 8:48:46 AM PDT by arbee4bush ( I expressed myself forcefully and felt better after I did it-VP Cheney)
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To: The Wizard

bttt


20 posted on 07/11/2004 8:48:54 AM PDT by SnarlinCubBear (I am tag-line challenged....somebody HELP me!)
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To: Iwentsouth

Develped?


21 posted on 07/11/2004 8:49:17 AM PDT by jonsie
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To: Peach

Did he mention German and French engineers? Tunnel builders, etc?


22 posted on 07/11/2004 8:50:39 AM PDT by bvw
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To: MEG33

Really?
For some reason, I read about this on Free Republic, but I don't know when or what the source was. It also had something to do with a tunnel in Egypt(?) or somewhere. Am I remembering right and is this the same story?


23 posted on 07/11/2004 8:51:27 AM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: The Wizard

Debka reported this ages ago, and that it was also a joint op with Egypt.


24 posted on 07/11/2004 8:52:05 AM PDT by adam_az (Call your State Republican Party office and VOLUNTEER!!!!)
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To: The Wizard

Well this is what I don't get.
If we have heard this before, and Congress obviously has to know about this, then why is everyone lying about it?


25 posted on 07/11/2004 8:52:52 AM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: Peach
Sobree, himself, is now in US custody and he is already scheduled as one of the first three witnesses in the trial of Saddam Hussein.

How does Loftus know this?

26 posted on 07/11/2004 8:53:42 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Peach

Was it John Loftus who spoke of this?...I remember it was talked about some time ago ..No official words on this , though.


27 posted on 07/11/2004 8:54:29 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: bvw

I didn't hear the FNC report and know very little aside from the links I've provided.


28 posted on 07/11/2004 8:54:32 AM PDT by Peach
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To: adam_az

Now we're getting somewhere.
Would this be connected to Egypt's cabinet offering their resignation on Friday?
Why is M5 backing away from this now (as read on Drudgvda)


29 posted on 07/11/2004 8:55:04 AM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: Peach

As with all WMD finds, the Mainstream Media will ignore this.


30 posted on 07/11/2004 8:55:32 AM PDT by Fenris6
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To: Stag
Every honest, thinking person knows there have been/are WMD's in/from Iraq.

This whole denial thing by the left is just a stupid game of political, election trickery.

That aside, the WMD's were not our reason for going after Sadam...they were an addendum.

We went in there because, as Bush stated: "IF YOU AID/ABET OUR ENEMY, YOU BECOME OUR ENEMY."

This whole lying mess is classical Democrat spin.

31 posted on 07/11/2004 8:56:54 AM PDT by bannie (Liberal Me<img src="dia: The Most Dangerous Enemies to America and Freedom)
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To: The Wizard

That would be bombshell


32 posted on 07/11/2004 8:57:47 AM PDT by nuconvert ( "Let Freedom Reign !" ) ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: mabelkitty

A few things about Congress and their latest report that Iraq didn't have WMD:

We know Iraq had WMD; they used them dozens of times.

Powell played phone intercepts to the UN that Iraq was moving stuff out the back door when the UN showed up at the front door. He also played intercepts of instructions to Iraqi soldiers to delete all references in documents to nerve gas.

I find it impossible to believe that every single intelligence agency on the face of the planet was wrong about Iraq and WMD.

As to your question - why does Congress lie? Congress has lied in the past and will lie in the future. The CIA does get stuff wrong for the same reasons Congress gets stuff wrong.

No one wants to be the one to go out on a limb and make a decision or deduction that can come back to bite them later so when conventional wisdom says Iraq had WMD, they agree. When conventional wisdom says Iraq didn't have WMD (because we haven't found them yet), they all agree.


33 posted on 07/11/2004 8:58:30 AM PDT by Peach
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To: FreeReign; MEG33

I don't know how Loftus knows this and I don't remember the timeframe beyond the fact that it was earlier this year.


34 posted on 07/11/2004 8:59:20 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

WOW BTTT


35 posted on 07/11/2004 9:02:17 AM PDT by Libertina
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To: Peach
FROM 1999

THE FUTURE OF LIBYA'S WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION PROGRAM

By Joshua Sinai

http://www.cdiss.org/col99apr27.htm

Although the recent surrender of two Libyan intelligence agents for trial in the Netherlands might bring the decade- long search for justice in the Lockerbie case to an end, questions remain about whether the Libyan government has stopped sponsoring terrorism and ceased work on Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD).

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In fact, given Colonel Qadhafi's apparent willingness to abide by international law with respect to the Lockerbie case, this may be the most propitious moment for the international community to investigate the full proportions and intent of Libya's chemical and biological weapons program, including reported chemical and biological weapons research and development links between Tripoli and Baghdad.

With so much international attention directed to the large-scale unconventional weapons programs of Iraq and Iran, relatively little attention has been devoted to Libya, which has been described as "the patient proliferator." Yet, while remaining out of the proliferation spotlight since the controversy over the Rabta chemical weapons facility in 1990, Libya has quietly continued to construct what could potentially be a vast chemical and biological arsenal, including a reported joint chemical and biological weapons development program with Iraq. Indeed, until the United Nations Special Commission's (UNSCOM) recent departure, Saddam Hussein may have used Libya as a safe haven to avoid surveillance and inspection of Iraq's own WMD program.

International scrutiny of Libya's chemical and biological weapons program is critical because, according to numerous press reports, Tripoli is on the verge of succeeding in developing the capability to weaponize these agents, and to make the ballistic missiles to deliver them. Libya has built two of the largest CW production complexes in the developing world, at Rabta and Tarhunah, which possess a stockpile of an estimated 100 tons of chemical agents. The Tarhunah facility, which was erected in the 1990s, is located 50 miles southeast of Tripoli. It consists of a labyrinth of tunnels carved into the side of a hollowed-out mountain, and extends for more than six square miles. As with the Rabta plant, Libya has claimed at different times that Tarhunah is a petrochemical complex or that the facility's tunnels are part of the Great Man-Made River Project (GMMRP) to funnel water from Libya's southern aquifers to its coastal cities. Former CIA director John Deutch has called Tarhunah the world's largest underground chemical weapons plant. Other published reports claim that the GMMRP's underground pipes, which connect with Tarhunah, could be used as an extension of the Tarhunah facility by storing and clandestinely moving chemical agents and other military equipment or forces. Many of the underground pipes at Tarhunah are more than 12 feet in diameter. Once operational, the Tarhunah chemical weapons facility is expected to produce the ingredients for an estimated 2,500 tons of poison agents each year.

[snip]

In the area of developing a nuclear weapons capability or long-range ballistic missiles the Libyans have not been as successful as in chemical and biological weapons, because of the international arms embargo and the lack of adequate financial or indigenous technical resources or expertise. Libya's ballistic missiles reportedly consist of the North Korean Scud-C Short-Range Ballistic Missile (SRBM) variant with a 550 km/341 mile range and 500 kg/1,105 lb payload; Scud-B SRBMs with a 300 km range and 985 kg/2,176 lb payload; the Russian-made SS-21 Scarab SRBM with a 70 km/43 mile range and 480 kg/1,060 lb payload, and a program to develop the Al Fatah (Iltisslat) Medium-Range Ballistic Missile (MRBM) with a 950 km/589 mile range and 500 kg/1,105 lb payload.

[snip]

Dr. Joshua Sinai is an international security analyst based in Washington, D.C., specializing in Middle Eastern and African political-security matters, proliferation, and terrorism issues. He previously was a Senior Analyst in the National Security Studies and Strategies Group, SAIC, McLean, Virginia. He holds a Ph.D. in Comparative Politics from Columbia University. His previous assessments of Libya's WMD program have appeared in the Washington Post and Jane's Intelligence Review.

36 posted on 07/11/2004 9:03:02 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("A republic, if we can revive it")
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Very interesting! The shame is this will not get any play in the main stream media. It could flush the John's.
37 posted on 07/11/2004 9:03:54 AM PDT by bitty
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To: BenLurkin

Wow! This could be interesting.


38 posted on 07/11/2004 9:04:30 AM PDT by Iwentsouth
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To: mabelkitty
...a tunnel in Egypt(?) or somewhere.

You may be remembering a story a few months back about a tunnel from Egypt into Gaza for smuggling weapons to Yassar Arafat's thugs.

39 posted on 07/11/2004 9:04:37 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: The Wizard

I'm sure we will be hearing many things about Iraq, WMD and Terrorist in the coming months


40 posted on 07/11/2004 9:05:00 AM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor ... You can be one too!!)
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To: Peach

This may not come out until after the election. I have been following it for some time and it is mostly credible! It hinges on Brit intel as does the Niger yellowcake. Bush receives Brit intel but cannot, by an agreement from the FDR era, share it with congress. (That was why the WH said that they shouldn't have included the "16 words" in the SOTU speech--not that the intle was wrong.)

Loftus said that if Bush/Rove bring it out just before the election it could backfire.


41 posted on 07/11/2004 9:05:21 AM PDT by Poincare
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To: The Wizard

I hope and pray this is true. I have NEVER doubted there were WMDs.


42 posted on 07/11/2004 9:05:49 AM PDT by Old Grumpy
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To: BenLurkin

Wow! That is some article from 1999!!!

Do you have a link I can use for a file I'm starting on this matter?


43 posted on 07/11/2004 9:07:12 AM PDT by Peach
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To: bannie
If all this is the real thing why aren't we hearing it on talk radio. Not even Savage has mentioned this.
44 posted on 07/11/2004 9:08:24 AM PDT by rodguy911 ( President Regan---all the rest.)
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To: Poincare

Do you think it should come out before the election?

What is this FDR era agreement? Color me curious and fascinated by this story.


45 posted on 07/11/2004 9:08:28 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

http://www.cdiss.org/col99apr27.htm


46 posted on 07/11/2004 9:08:32 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("A republic, if we can revive it")
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To: The Wizard

Putin's announcement a couple weeks ago got little play because it supported the Administration.

This Libyan report were probably receive similar mention, then drop to page 99.


47 posted on 07/11/2004 9:09:15 AM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: rodguy911

I think very few people know about this story...even most Freepers have not heard about it before.

The issue of WMD is one I've paid close attention to and without another freeper alerting me to this matter last week, I'd have known none of this.


48 posted on 07/11/2004 9:10:03 AM PDT by Peach
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To: BenLurkin

Thank you so much!

I'm starting a Libya/Iraq WMD file right now.


49 posted on 07/11/2004 9:10:22 AM PDT by Peach
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To: BenLurkin

Talk about outsourcing...


50 posted on 07/11/2004 9:10:22 AM PDT by Maigrey ( If you disagree with {Kerry} on most any issue, you may just have caught him on the wrong day. -GWB)
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