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Conservatives crucial to Bush's re-election restive about Iraq war
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | July 11, 2004 | SCOTT LINDLAW

Posted on 07/11/2004 12:03:02 PM PDT by FairOpinion

Conservatives, the backbone of Bush's political base, are increasingly uneasy about the Iraq conflict and the steady drumbeat of violence in postwar Iraq, Halper and some of his fellow Republicans say. The conservatives' anxiety was fueled by the Abu Ghraib prisoner-abuse scandal and has not abated with the transfer of political power to the interim Iraqi government.

Some Republicans fear angry conservatives will stay home in November, undercutting Bush's re-election bid.

"I don't think there's any question that there is growing restiveness in the Republican base about this war," said Halper, the co-author of a new book, "America Alone: The Neoconservatives and the Global Order."

Another administration official involved in Bush's re-election effort has voiced concern that angry conservatives will sit out the election.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


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Recommend reading the entire article.

Highly recommend that conservatives wake up and smell reality.

If they are not voting for Bush, we will get Kerry and God save us all!

Remember, the 500 votes that put Bush over the top. Just think if those 500 people had stayed home on election day.

Each vote DOES count.

1 posted on 07/11/2004 12:03:03 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Missouri; 4.1O dana super trac pak; texasflower

Here are some conservatives, with names -- read the article -- ready to cut off their nose to spite their face.


2 posted on 07/11/2004 12:04:15 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: FairOpinion

I'm pretty pissed off about Bush myself. Medicare drug benefits, congress spending like drunken liberal democrats. Dubya is no fiscal conservative. If he gets a second term he better get more Reaganesque and cut spending. No more "compassionate conservatism."


3 posted on 07/11/2004 12:07:06 PM PDT by icebats22
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To: FairOpinion

If it wasn't for the frightening reality that Kerry could be elected POTUS, I would just enjoy watching Hillary squirm.

Somehow, if it looks like Kerry will beat W as we get close to November, he will have to promise the witch something just to keep her from sabotaging his candidacy. Maybe Secretary of State?


4 posted on 07/11/2004 12:10:57 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: icebats22

As I said, you have to look at reality.

Do you really want Kerry as president?

Haven't conservatives learned anything after they succeeded in electing Clinton for 8 years, to "show Bush I". Well, you surely showed it to him.

Suggest reading Alan Keyes's statement, whose conservatives credentials can't be called into question.

Alan Keyes comes out in support of President Bush, denounces Democrats, "our survival is at stake!"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1071872/posts


COLMES: We continue with Alan Keyes. Ambassador Keyes, as a fiscal conservative, as a true conservative yourself, do you have some problems with the spending of this administration?

KEYES: Oh, I sure do--and I wouldn't want to give the impression that I don't have other problems with this administration on some areas where I think that the president has fallen short of the kinds of things that I really think are needed in some areas.

But I also wouldn't want to give the impression that I think that anything can be more decisive for the American people right now than the question of our national survival in the face of the most insidious threat this nation has ever faced.

In the face of that, I think a lot of us are going to be putting our other issues behind those issues that have to do with the survival of this nation in wartime.

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PS. My tagline is absolutely true.


5 posted on 07/11/2004 12:12:53 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: FairOpinion

I counted three names of conservatives who might or might not vote for Bush.

Three. And one of them has a book to peddle.

The purpose behind this story is to dispirit weak-kneed conservatives by pretending that three people selected by the reporter constitute a trend, while burying the truth ("A Pew Research Center poll last month found that 97 percent of conservative Republicans favored Bush over Kerry") in the middle of the story.

Who do you think the reporter will vote for in November?

Don't go wobbly just because the AP says you should.


6 posted on 07/11/2004 12:15:05 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: icebats22

We had a terrorist attack, we are fighting a major war against terrorism, beefing up our Homeland Security, won two major wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, we are building up defense, which was virtually destroyed under Clinton, we went through a recession, Bush actually gave us tax cuts.

Under the circumstances, what more do you want?

You can't ignore all the above.

As I said, looke at REALITY.


7 posted on 07/11/2004 12:15:48 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: FairOpinion

"Some Republicans fear angry conservatives will stay home in November, undercutting Bush's re-election bid."

AND LET KERRY/EDWARDS TAKE OVER? NOT A CHANCE!! HOPEFULLY THE GOP CONSERVATIVE BASE WHO PUNISHED BUSH THE FIRST FOR HIS "READ MY LIPS" RETREAT, LEARNED THEIR LESSON. THEIR LITTLE PROTEST VOTE FOR ROSS PEROT GAVE US 8 YEARS OF BILL AND HILLARY.


8 posted on 07/11/2004 12:16:08 PM PDT by no dems (Bush and Cheney; not Flip-flop and Mop-top)
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To: FairOpinion

---Yet, Halper said his critical review on the administration's performance on Iraq last week was met with expressions of support in the conservatives' weekly meeting, which is closed to journalists.---

If the meeting is closed to journalists how did the Chronicle write this report? Just another liberal wet dream?


9 posted on 07/11/2004 12:17:45 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: icebats22

You better think hard about being pissed off at GW and vote for GW Bush. Staying home or voting for Kerry will mean you won't have to worry about fiscal spending or anything else for that matter. Within a few years, you won't be here on this earth to ponder anything. Vote for Kerry/Edwards and the Muslim terrorist beheadings will begin shortly right here in the good old USA! You know who else is going to lose these heads if Kerry and his Democrats win: Jews, Christians, Gays, Lesbians, Women, Blacks, etc. Most of these fools are voting for Kerry. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Wise up, this election is about one thing. The survivsl of the USA!!!


10 posted on 07/11/2004 12:18:36 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: ScottFromSpokane

I am not going wobbly -- but I have seen quite a few FReepers express that they would actually rather have Kerry, "just to show Bush, that he can't take the conservative base" for granted. I would hope that those "so-called conservatives" will face reality, that if they don't get out and vote for Bush, they may be electing Kerry and what that will mean for us.

Well, if the election is close, those fine "principled conservatives" may be the ones handing the election to Kerry.

Conservatives need to consider the serious consequences of their actions.

Bush won by 500 votes the last time. The election is expected to be very close, a few votes either way may be what decides this election.


11 posted on 07/11/2004 12:19:29 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: FairOpinion

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1169284/posts
Same article with different title.

Good info on the "conservatives" in replies .


12 posted on 07/11/2004 12:19:55 PM PDT by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: FairOpinion

"Some Republicans fear angry conservatives will stay home in November, undercutting Bush's re-election bid."


if there are some conservative that stupid, you deserve Kerry and boy wonder.


13 posted on 07/11/2004 12:20:46 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: FairOpinion
It's a tough war. A bloody war. Americans have been spoiled by our easy rolls in Gulf War I and Afghanistan. Where is America's desire to stay in the game? It's there but the cowardice of "living easy" liberals is is taking hold on too many brave hearts.
14 posted on 07/11/2004 12:25:30 PM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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To: FairOpinion

Conservatives Will NOT stay home. This is a pipedream and they know it.

I realize every conservative can rattle of a litany of what Bush hasn't done to please them. If the people registering the complaints wish to be taken seriously then they must also list the President's accomplishments. Otherwise, the complaints do not register.



15 posted on 07/11/2004 12:25:32 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: dennisw

16 posted on 07/11/2004 12:26:55 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: Pikamax

I think it's the Dems who are more likely to stay home. Look at the choice they've been given...a couple of touchy-feely guys more concerned about their hair than creating programs to truly help the country or our national security.


17 posted on 07/11/2004 12:27:26 PM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: FairOpinion
"I don't think there's any question that there is growing restiveness in the Republican base about this war," said Halper, the co-author of a new book, "America Alone: The Neoconservatives and the Global Order."

Mmmm hmmm.

18 posted on 07/11/2004 12:28:19 PM PDT by Petronski (Dual Johns? Twice the Crap)
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To: mrsmith

Thanks for the link.

It's interesting reading.

As I said, unfortunatly, many conservatives still haven't faced reality, but fortunately some have.

I hope ALL conservatives will face reality and make sure to turn out to vote for Bush and take all their friends to the polls to do the same.


19 posted on 07/11/2004 12:28:27 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: FairOpinion

Kerry-Edwards now. Touchy feely INC.


20 posted on 07/11/2004 12:29:42 PM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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To: FairOpinion
The conservatives' anxiety was fueled by the Abu Ghraib prisoner-abuse scandal

The prison fiasco didn't bother me much, although it was a big embarrassment, watching our guys act like drunken high school kids...My problem with Iraq is that I honestly did not feel they were a direct threat to the United States. We could have keep that country under wraps with airpower for decades, killing or destroying anything that even appeared to be militarily *offense* in nature.

More than likely we could have even taken out Saddam and his kids, without putting one single soldier on the ground. I have no doubt about this.

I am actually more disturbed about the epic fraud and chaos being created by the invasion of our country by the millions enter illegally, routinely, at will, as this administration stands winking and nodding.

I happen to be a man of principle, one who believes that this attack on our borders and sovereignty is every bit as dangerous as any terrorist. This is *compounded* by the fact that trucks with unknown loads are entering this country as we speak from Mexico. Trucks that are routinely packed with hundreds of illegals, could easily be packed with something else. Mexico is a country where the law enforcment can be bribed with prostitues, and small amounts of cash.

Unlike some others, I take my vote *very* seriously, and only those that share my principals will get my vote.

21 posted on 07/11/2004 12:30:47 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

"I take my vote *very* seriously, and only those that share my principals will get my vote."

In other words you are voting for Kerry.

Does Kerry share your principles?


22 posted on 07/11/2004 12:33:12 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

So...what will Mr. Kerry do to secure our borders? Probably open them up even more, give away benefits like Governor Davis did. Standing by principles is honorable but often of course it's also self-defeating.


23 posted on 07/11/2004 12:34:38 PM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: dennisw
Concur, but it's not even a real war -- sort of an "afterwar".....

We could stop a lot of this crap by rolling over Fallujah. Shoulda done it in May. We'd almost certainly have bagged Zarqawi, and decapitated his org.

The casualty rate is perhaps 2% of what we were experiencing in Viet Nam, but the journopolemicists are playing it up, milking every casualty report. You'd think we were being driven out of the country in disorder, like the Chosin Reservoir action.

They also keep chanting, "draft, draft, draft!" They can't wait to get the draft going so they can cover draft "protests" mounted by Marxist agitprop pukes.

24 posted on 07/11/2004 12:35:05 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Honi soit qui mal y pense.)
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To: FairOpinion

First of all, I'll believe what the SF Chronicle thinks about conservatives when I believe what Al Jazeera thinks about the War on Terror. They have no credibility here.

Secondly, I don't know a single conservative who believes all the BS the liberals are painting about the War in Iraq. The war is an undeniable success. We are making all the Middle East's garbage come to Iraq so we can snuff them out one at a time. That beats the prospect of having them come here and snuff out American civilians without warning.

I certainly hate the loss of life but if someone had told me in March 2003 that the U.S. could overthrow Saddam and institute a new (hopefully U.S.-friendly) government in Iraq with a loss of 1,000 U.S. troops, I would have said that was a bargain. Had Saddam truly had the WMDs we suspected, he could have wiped out that many in one day.

The benefits are huge. We've improved Israel's security. We've opened up a new source of oil so we can barter the Saudis from a position of strength. My hope is that we will get a military base somewhere in Iraq that will give us quick-strike capability to respond to anything done by Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iran, Yemen, etc. And we're diffusing the bomb that is Islamic Jihadists.

I have major disagreements with some of what the Bush administration has done domestically. I also believe they have not been forceful enough in making their case on any number of issues where they needed to be more vocal. But I see no reason why conservatives in any serious number would abandon Bush over Iraq.

This is just a liberal wet dream as far as I'm concerned. It's not going to happen.


25 posted on 07/11/2004 12:35:16 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (Ronald Reagan - Greatest President of the 20th Century.)
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To: FairOpinion

Are they suggesting that conservatives don't believe the Iraqi people were worthy of our intervention.


26 posted on 07/11/2004 12:37:25 PM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER.......AND SINCE IT'S IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER)
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To: FairOpinion

If the conservatives have any brains they'll RUN to vote for GWB abd the GOP and give GWB the senate he needs to BE CONSERVATIVE


27 posted on 07/11/2004 12:38:03 PM PDT by The Wizard (Democrats: enemies of America)
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To: The Wizard

"If the conservatives have any brains they'll RUN to vote for GWB and the GOP and give GWB the senate he needs to BE CONSERVATIVE"

==

You are absolutely right. Thanks for posting it in large, bold letters. We need to elect more Republicans to Congress, so Bush can get his conservative agenda passed.

Doing anything else is cutting off our nose to spite our face.


28 posted on 07/11/2004 12:40:03 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: FairOpinion
You weren't around here for the runup to the 2000 election. During late 1999 and right up until election day, the opposition to GWBush`s candidacy on FR was intense. Leading the way outside the GOP were the "Buchannites" and the "libertarians". Not far behind them, but from within the GOP, were the "Keyesters". If you want to talk about hardcore rightwing fanatics, you only have to look at these three extremist candidacies to understand what we Bush supporters were up against. The Keyesters got most of my attention and the flame wars were some of the most famous in the annuals of FR.

Looking at Alan Keyes remarks this time around, its quite obvious that he supports the reelection of the Bush-Cheney ticket. In fact, I believe Pat Buchanan will be voting for PresBush. The "Libertarians" are a differenbt stroy, but only consitute less then 1/2% of all voters. The conservatives are with the President. Stop trying to blow this rightwing opposition to Bush`s reelection in 2004, all out of proportion.

"[W]hile there are the occasional dissenters speaking out from the rightwings anti-Bush contingent, I don't see the same level of serious opposition we Bush supporters encountered back in 1999 and 2000. I haven't experienced the same level of widespread vitriol coming from the rightwings vocal group of malcontents, misfits and militants. OTOH, there does seem to be more inflitrators this time around coming in from the Democrats wacko leftwing.

The fight remains with the Democrats who advance the liberal agenda and their endless attempts to employ pure propaganda to discredit the President, denounce the economic recovery and undermine the war effort. With their crazed rhetoric, the liberal establishment is making every effort to appeal to the paranoids and sickos in our society. Rational folk will reject this effort at every opportunity. Hang on though, its gonna be a bumpy ride on a rough road to victory."

29 posted on 07/11/2004 12:40:06 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: Reagan Man; The Wizard

"The fight remains with the Democrats who advance the liberal agenda and their endless attempts to employ pure propaganda to discredit the President, denounce the economic recovery and undermine the war effort. "

===

Exactly right. Conservatives need to realize that the real enemy is the Democrats.

And as The Wizard said in an earlier post, conservatives need to turn out to vote for Bush AND Republican candidates for Congress, so Bush can promote his conservative agenda, which is now being stymied in the Senate, because the Republicans don't have a sufficient majority.


30 posted on 07/11/2004 12:42:43 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: FairOpinion
Give me what I want or I swear I'll use it...
... and then you'll be sorry!

31 posted on 07/11/2004 12:43:06 PM PDT by Tamzee (Flush the Johns before they flood the White House!)
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To: FairOpinion
If they are not voting for Bush, we will get Kerry and God save us all!

It's either Kerry in 04 or Hillary in 08. Which is the worse of two evils? IMHO Hillary's criminal ways surpass Kerry's by a mile and while Kerry is an elite socialist, Hillary is a rabid Marxist.

32 posted on 07/11/2004 12:43:38 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: FairOpinion

http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/kerry200407111445.asp


33 posted on 07/11/2004 12:43:56 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: BonnieJ; Joe Hadenuf

I wonder if the anti-Bush conservatives prefer this immigration policy to Bush's:

Kerry vows to lift immigration ban on AIDS patients if elected [Lurch wants more AIDS votes]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1169006/posts


34 posted on 07/11/2004 12:44:06 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: ScottFromSpokane

Thanks for the link to the NR article.

However:

"They also note later in the story that "A Pew Research Center poll last month found that 97 percent of conservative Republicans favored Bush over Kerry."

That means that 3% don't. In a close election, that may be a deciding factor putting Kerry into the White House -- God forbid!


35 posted on 07/11/2004 12:45:31 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: FairOpinion
...but I have seen quite a few FReepers express that they would actually rather have Kerry, "just to show Bush, that he can't take the conservative base" for granted.

Those are your Kerry Conservatives. The Clinton Conservatives had the same misguided "reasoning".....they wanted to "teach Bush 41 a lesson"...so they voted for Perot or they didn't vote at all...and the Liberals won. If Bush loses, Conservatives lose....big time.

36 posted on 07/11/2004 12:46:09 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Reagan Man

"[W]hile there are the occasional dissenters speaking out from the rightwings anti-Bush contingent, I don't see the same level of serious opposition we Bush supporters encountered back in 1999 and 2000. I haven't experienced the same level of widespread vitriol coming from the rightwings vocal group of malcontents, misfits and militants."

This is encouraging, at least.


37 posted on 07/11/2004 12:47:22 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: FairOpinion
The only good thing about a Kerry win is that I could sit quietly in my hate-crimes reeducation-camp prison cell and, by a Zen exercise, extend my senses to listen to Hillary writhing silently on the sidelines for eight long years while she and her hellbound consort grow aged and decrepit in the green room of bigtime politics.

No U.N. general secretaryship for Slick, to erase the stain of impeachment.

No U.N. treaty surrendering the sovereignty and turning over the armed forces of the United States, in order to make Hillary the last President of the United States, and Slick the first President of the World (aka The Antichrist, I'm told).

No his-and-hers presidential gravesite.

No presidency for Chel.

No more solid grip on DemonRat Party funds, and no more solid grip on the tongues of Web Hubbell and Susan MacDougal.

Something to think about.

38 posted on 07/11/2004 12:47:32 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Honi soit qui mal y pense.)
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To: dennisw

I think many conservatives, I among them, find it hard to abide the loss of several of our fine and brave servicemen every day, especially in this post-Saddam, post-coalition-rule era. And the apparent lack of appreciation (or understanding)by many Iraqis for ongoing US blood and money sacrifices is especially galling to many of the president's supporters when our forces are further hamstrung from taking the fight to the terrorists while remaining among their primary targets.All of the foregoing notwithstanding, a choice other than Bush is unthinkable.


39 posted on 07/11/2004 12:48:13 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Leftists don't acknowledge that Reagan won the cold war because they rooted for the other side.)
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To: Tamsey

Thanks for posting this! I've been looking for this cartoon. I hope it's OK, if I use it too, when appropriate. :)

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.

40 posted on 07/11/2004 12:49:24 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: FairOpinion

Kerry's "Immigration Policy" is basically throwing in the towel.


41 posted on 07/11/2004 12:50:08 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Leftists don't acknowledge that Reagan won the cold war because they rooted for the other side.)
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To: FairOpinion
Remember, the 500 votes that put Bush over the top. Just think if those 500 people had stayed home on election day.

If Gore were president now, people would have seen through him and his nonresponse to 9/11, and we'd be gearing up for a clean sweep by conservative Republican candidates, instead of lingering outside the banquet-hall doors of the Yacht Club wing of the Party.

Inside, Mary Matalin is dancing cheek-to-cheek with the Log Cabins, illegal immigrants are serving drinks and canape's with Democratic voter-registration cards in their back pockets, and corporate moneyrunners are congratulating one another on how many Americans they've fired in the last four years.

I'm supposed to get excited about what I see?

Where ARE the conservatives? Not at the party, that's for sure.

42 posted on 07/11/2004 12:52:47 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Honi soit qui mal y pense.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

I experienced no emotion whatsoever to Abu Grabib. I wasn't outraged nor was I embarrassed. I realize that was the minority opinion at the time but a few people do not determine the value of our country. Instead I felt satisfied that the matter was well under way to being corrected before visuals were supplied by the press.

"We could have keep that country under wraps with airpower for decades, killing or destroying anything that even appeared to be militarily *offense* in nature."

We could have maintained the status quo. We can maintain the status quo on the entrance of illegals, as well. You maintain Iraq did not present the threat that illegals do, so in one area we are justified to be inactive while on the other damned that little action has been taken.

I believe action is and was necessary on both fronts.

Iraq is part of a larger strategy. If this country is to be safe we need to reform the Middle East. This cannot be accomplished by maintaining the status quo. Iraq was a strategic target given their violation of UN sanctions. We now have Afganistan and Iraq on the road to historic reform with Iran blocked in the middle. This provides encouragement for reform especially when under the weight of the youth revolution. Iran and Syria well understand the events Bush has set to motion. It's a shame not everyone in this country is as aware.

In the end, if this strategy works this country will be safer for these actions.

On the illegal front I am concerned. More so about the weakening of the American culture than for the weapons or drugs that can be spirited in. If this country is to remain strong it needs to be reliant on the values that gave it its strength. Only, I have to say, the threat from within by the liberals is perhaps of more concern than illegals. It isn't illegals that have established institutions designed to weaken our law and values.

In order of direct threat I would place it as the following-

1) Terrorism
2) Liberalism
3) Illegals

Though China is a rising concern as well.

I take my vote seriously. hat is why G.W. can count on it come November.



43 posted on 07/11/2004 12:53:30 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: FairOpinion
"I am bitterly disappointed in his actions with this war. It is a total travesty," said Tom Hutchinson, 69, a self-described conservative from Sturgeon, Mo., who posted yard signs and staffed campaign phone banks for the Republican in 2000.

Hutchinson is an outright liar. A freeper neighbor of Tom Hutchinson said he certainly did NOT post any Bush yard signs in 2000.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1169284/posts?page=57#57

44 posted on 07/11/2004 12:54:34 PM PDT by Tamzee (Flush the Johns before they flood the White House!)
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To: icebats22

Aaanhhh... what's the alternative einstein? You pissed off so much you want a pro-French socialist instead?


45 posted on 07/11/2004 12:56:44 PM PDT by johnny7 (“This is no motley of Japs!” -Col. 'Red Mike' Edson. Guadalcanal 1942)
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To: FairOpinion
I have, at times, been very angry with President Bush but not in connection with the War Against Islamic Extremist. If you compare the outcomes of the wars that we fought in concert with the United Nations versus the outcome in this war so far then both the administration and the Pentagon deserve the highest accolades.

General Franks deserves a ticker tape parade down Madison Avenue.

Both Afghanistan and Iraq were of strategic importance in this war without regards to whether or not they had WMDs or whether or not their populations received the collateral benefit of a better government. No apology is needed for taking targets of strategic importance.

The fact that both were taken with fewer casualties than was suffered on 9-11, is just icing on the cake.

On the flip side…any service that Kerry might have rendered to the country in Vietnam was more than erased by the disservice that he rendered on his return home from that war. Remember… one aw-$hit erases a dozen atta-boys.

46 posted on 07/11/2004 12:58:29 PM PDT by al_possum39
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To: lentulusgracchus

If Gore had been elected President we would have launched a few worthless missiles at Afganistan, waved our fist in the air, and said you better not do that again! Then crawled under the table and asked the UN to help us develop a peace treaty with Usama.

The damage done in the four years before this country could revolt at the polls would have been extensive.


47 posted on 07/11/2004 12:58:56 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: lentulusgracchus
If Gore were president now, people would have seen through him and his nonresponse to 9/11, and we'd be gearing up for a clean sweep by conservative Republican candidates

Perhaps we might have a little more support of the American public.... but Al Qaeda et all would have seen his nonresponse to 9/11, also, and would have visited more such delights upon us.

Americans jumping from skyscrapers may swing support to conservatives, but I tend to dislike that type of strategy...

48 posted on 07/11/2004 1:00:27 PM PDT by Tamzee (Flush the Johns before they flood the White House!)
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To: FairOpinion
>>>Conservatives need to realize that the real enemy is the Democrats.

Get this through your thick skull, conservatives are the backbone of the GOP. Conservatives know who the enemy is. Stop trying to pick a fight with conservative Republicans. One more time, there is a small constituency of rightwingers who oppose PresBush`s reelection in 2004. They're a much smaller opposition faction compared to the one that existed during th 2000 campaign and will not be decisive in the outcome of this election.

In 2000, all major third party candidates on the rightwing received 1.1% of all the votes. That's roughly just over a million total votes cast out of some 106 million total votes cast by all Americans. Buchanan isn't running. Keyes isn't making waves. The Libertarian Party will get less then the 384K votes they recieved in 2000! Get the picture yet bucko? LOL STOP causing trouble.

Maybe in the 2008 election there might be massive defections by conservatives. This isn't the case this time.

I really believe you're still caught up in the California recall election. That's a different situation all together and has little if no bearing on support for the Bush-Cheney ticket in the general election campaign phase we're in right now..

49 posted on 07/11/2004 1:00:50 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: Missouri; 4.1O dana super trac pak; texasflower

Over here!

Check out posts 32 & 42.

The first laments that Gore was not elected, the second thinks Kerry election is a good idea now.


50 posted on 07/11/2004 1:01:41 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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