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Challenge to Moore-bashers (Moore reaches his target audience) BARF ALERT
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | July 11, 2004 | Letter to the editor

Posted on 07/11/2004 6:54:15 PM PDT by Chi-townChief

I am only 15 years old, but I saw ''Fahrenheit 9/11.'' I came out of the movie and thought about it. Wow, this man (President Bush) is leading our country -- how depressing! I do believe that everyone should be required to see this movie.

Another thing: Michael Moore said that if anyone did not like this movie it did not matter, because it was all fact. So I challenge you people that hated this movie, what was not true?

Sarah Mayer, Oak Forest


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"I do believe that everyone should be required to see this movie."

Let's hope this girl never finds herself in a position of authority.

1 posted on 07/11/2004 6:54:15 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

A fifteen year old little kitty cat was able to see a Rated R motion picture?


2 posted on 07/11/2004 6:55:40 PM PDT by Vision Thing (Kerry-Edwards: For men and women who vote under the influence of their own estrogen)
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To: Chi-townChief

At least she can't vote in the 2004 election. It seems Fata** Moore's movie appeals to younger teens. They are gullible to propaganda.


3 posted on 07/11/2004 6:57:08 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Chi-townChief

Can I be the first to bash him? With a heavy baseball bat? Please?


4 posted on 07/11/2004 6:57:21 PM PDT by Ironfocus (You can read this, thank a teacher, it's in English, thank a soldier.)
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To: Chi-townChief

We can't actually expect her to go onto the internet and look for sites that bash Michael Moore for his lies, can we? After all, she's only 15. She's old enough to have an opinion, but too young for us to call her on it. BARF.


5 posted on 07/11/2004 6:58:58 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Chi-townChief

Wow, an endorsement from a 15-year-old. We all know how wise and unimpressionable they are. [/sarcasm]


6 posted on 07/11/2004 6:59:05 PM PDT by saquin
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To: Chi-townChief
because it was all fact.

The thoughts of the thoughtless can send shivers....

7 posted on 07/11/2004 6:59:44 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Chi-townChief
what was not true?

How 'bout the initial premise that Algore really won the election. Really smart girls shouldn't be taking candy from fat strangers.

8 posted on 07/11/2004 7:01:36 PM PDT by tbpiper (Michael Moore…..the Erich von Däniken of political documentary)
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To: Chi-townChief
I do believe that everyone should be required to see this movie.

Yep a true Democrat who has a love for the color red.

9 posted on 07/11/2004 7:01:47 PM PDT by EGPWS
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It reminds me of those anti-war rallies with 6-year-olds holding signs like "War is harmful to children and other living things..." and everyone says "Ah, that's so right. Out of the mouths of babes...."

Yeah, that's what we need...geopolitical wisdom from someone who still needs an adult to wipe his a** properly.


10 posted on 07/11/2004 7:02:18 PM PDT by saquin
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To: AbsoluteJustice; Barnacle; BeAllYouCanBe; BillyBoy; Bismarck; cfrels; cherry_bomb88; chicagolady; ..

CHICAGOLAND PING

Sorry to say this girl is a south suburbanite.


11 posted on 07/11/2004 7:02:40 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: tbpiper

Look, I suspect this isn't the first time the young lady has gone for the stranger with the candy. It probably won't be the last.


12 posted on 07/11/2004 7:03:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Chi-townChief

When I was just two years younger than this little mensa, I saw the "Chariots of the Gods" movie, narrated by Rod Serling.

I was absolutely convinced that ancient astronauts had built the pyramids, had taught the Incas to fly spaceships and would return, according to an old Aztec calender, on December 23, 2003.


13 posted on 07/11/2004 7:04:25 PM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: saquin
Wow, an endorsement from a 15-year-old.

In a pinch they will take who they can get.

They are up against a lot of pincher's.

14 posted on 07/11/2004 7:04:28 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Chi-townChief
These kids have Hollywood, mainstream news, and their teachers leading them down the liberal abyss. This is not exactly shocking.
15 posted on 07/11/2004 7:04:30 PM PDT by Dysart
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To: Chi-townChief
So I challenge you people that hated this movie, what was not true?

Your wish is our command, little darlin':

Fifty-nine Deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11

16 posted on 07/11/2004 7:05:03 PM PDT by Snuffington
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To: Chi-townChief
Dear Touchingly Naive Nymphette:

It would be far easier to tell you what WAS true about "Fahrenheit."

You know the part at the end where it says "The End"? Yeah. That was true. All the rest is the stuff you put on roses to make them bloom longer.

17 posted on 07/11/2004 7:07:16 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Chi-townChief

The 21st Century's "The Triumph of the Will." I notice Ebert was suggesting everyone see it.

I guess, Ebert similarly would recommend "The Triumph of the Will" to all Germans in the 1930? It is one thing to study propoganda in film or history classes after the fact. It is another to suggest everyone see them during the time they can cause trouble.

But I am sure that did not concern Ebert. Afterall both "documentaries" either intensionally or unintentionally have the same goal, more dead Jews.


18 posted on 07/11/2004 7:07:57 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Chi-townChief
Michael Moore said that if anyone did not like this movie it did not matter, because it was all fact. So I challenge you people that hated this movie, what was not true?

Was there anything in "Triumph of Will" that was not true either?

19 posted on 07/11/2004 7:08:19 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Chi-townChief
I am only 15 years old, but I saw ''Fahrenheit 9/11.'' I came out of the movie and thought about it. No you didn't. Your emotions were manipulated exactly as intended, unfettered by any attempt on your part to consider the fact that most of the movie is fiction. I do believe that everyone should be required to see this movie. Ah, forced indoctrination. That's what nazis and communists do, little girl.
20 posted on 07/11/2004 7:08:32 PM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval http://www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/index.html)
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I am only 15 years old, but I saw ''Fahrenheit 9/11.'' I came out of the movie and thought about it.

No you didn't. Your emotions were manipulated exactly as intended, unfettered by any attempt on your part to consider the fact that most of the movie is fiction.

I do believe that everyone should be required to see this movie.

Ah, forced indoctrination. That's what nazis and communists do, little girl.
21 posted on 07/11/2004 7:09:26 PM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval http://www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/index.html)
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To: Chi-townChief

Dear Sarah

I'm with you. Micheal Moore really is a genius. A marketing genius. He knew if he made a made a movie for dull ignorant people that think little thoughts and blame the world for their problems, he would make a lot of money. While he claims to be a protector of the the powerless against big evil capitalists, this movie has pulled in millions of dollars from the dim- witted ignorant fools -hum I mean powerless people.

He thanks you for the support and your money.

Regards.


22 posted on 07/11/2004 7:11:27 PM PDT by Fzob (Why does this tag line keep showing up?)
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To: Chi-townChief

aghhh yes..... fifteen and so smart , of course I guess 15 is about the mental IQ level of most liberals so why am I acting suprised?


23 posted on 07/11/2004 7:16:27 PM PDT by arly
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To: Chi-townChief

Between William O'Rourke's idiotic defense of Moore, and Roger Ebert's evasive response to a reader querying about his unquestioning lapping up of Moore's lies (Ebert simply sneered at the reader, asking if he questioned Bush about the WMDs), this is actually one of the more intelligent commentaries in today's Sun-Times.


24 posted on 07/11/2004 7:27:51 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Ni Jesus, Ni Marx..OUI REAGAN!)
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To: Chi-townChief
I do believe that everyone should be required to see this movie.

Little totalitarian, isn't she?

Mr. Moore has freedom of speech (although he can face consequences for the treason of aiding and comforting the enemy in a time of war, he can face consequences for receiving money from the terrorist organization Hezbollah, and he can face consequences if someone would chose to sue him for libel).

Just as Axis Mikey has the freedom of speech, I have the freedom to shut him out (I don't have to listen to his speech). This little dictator doesn't believe in that freedom.

25 posted on 07/11/2004 7:29:20 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Chi-townChief
Liberals love Michael Moore's film precisely because it is NOT a documentary. It is a "cause" film presenting a point of view instead of sticking to fact. In short, it is propaganda.

Earlier this year, Mel Gibson released his blockbuster film, "The Passion." That was a real documentary, a meticulously researched and factual account of the crucifixion of the Christ.

When liberals boast about how successful Fahrenheit 9/1l has been, they are wrong both in claiming that it's a documentary and that it's anywhere near as successful as The Passion.

26 posted on 07/11/2004 7:40:33 PM PDT by T'wit (Bush: Leave no child behind. Kerry: Leave no child awake. Edwards: Let no child be born naturally.)
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To: Chi-townChief

Could me that Sarah is 45 and in the psycho ward at Oak Forest Hospital. All that newspapers ask with letters to the editor is that you give them an address and a phone # to be reached to confirm it's "you." The media really fawns over the "it's a kid" emotional pull.


27 posted on 07/11/2004 7:43:20 PM PDT by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: tbpiper
As the election gets closer, the left is increasing the drum beat that a "large majority" opposed George W. Bush in the 2000 election.

George W. Bush: 50,460,110
Albert Gore Jr.: 51,003,926
Total votes: 105,417.258
Difference between Gore and Bush: 543,816 votes (0.5158% difference)

The "popular vote" was a draw (half of one percent difference).

28 posted on 07/11/2004 7:46:41 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: T'wit
They've also been quick to exclude concert films and IMAX films from the documentaries F911's box office take is compared with.

Why? Because a concert film/band documentary comes with a ready audience of fans? Because few IMAX films are shown in "regular" theaters (I know of at least one multiplex in town with an IMAX screen)?

29 posted on 07/11/2004 7:52:03 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Chi-townChief
Another thing: Michael Moore said that if anyone did not like this movie it did not matter, because it was all fact.

Never rely on one source when researching information for a debate (especially one as biased as Axis Mikey).

30 posted on 07/11/2004 8:00:56 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Chi-townChief
Dear Sarah:

Your letter has lifted my spirits immeasurably. It appears as though the efforts of the NEA to turn this country's children into complete and utter reasonless morons has succeeded in your case.

I'll never have to worry about competing with you, and those like you, for any job requiring analytical skills beyond knowing when to pull up the basket of fries.

I'll have extra ketchup with mine, please. ;-)

31 posted on 07/11/2004 8:10:17 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Ann Coulter: Occam's Razor Incarnate)
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To: Chi-townChief
She's still got three years to grow up. Once 18, she'll either be a bottom feeding left wing failure with a deadly disease , addiction, or a dozen kids without fathers (if she continues on her current path), or an honorable Republican and intelligent adult, wise enough to know communist propaganda when she sees it.
Lets hope her parents ground her for a month for going to see a skanky "hate her country" film such as Moores. That is, if she has parents (I'll bet she's the kid of an unwed mother, otherwise, she'd know better by now).
32 posted on 07/11/2004 8:11:27 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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I am only 15 years old

She does have the typical psychological maturity as the rest of liberal base. None have mentally matured past their young teen years.

33 posted on 07/11/2004 8:14:37 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Chi-townChief

"So anyways Michael Moore went, 'Bush is off the hizzle' and then so I went 'Cool.' And then Jennifer went 'Cheney sucks. Who jacked his @ss?' So I went 'Whatever. Let's go get baked biatch. So Jenn went 'Let's roll. But we ain't buyin from Rudy. He be slingin swagg.'"


34 posted on 07/11/2004 8:14:56 PM PDT by WideGlide
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To: Chi-townChief

Let's hope this girl wises up with age.


35 posted on 07/11/2004 9:00:12 PM PDT by RockinRight
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To: Chi-townChief
Sorry to say this girl is a south suburbanite.

And she's in my frickin' town!!! Forgive me Lord for the sinful thoughts I have right now about this helpless mind!!

36 posted on 07/11/2004 9:03:06 PM PDT by RedWing9 (No tag here... Just want to stay vague...)
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To: WideGlide

LMAO!


37 posted on 07/11/2004 9:08:27 PM PDT by RedWing9 (No tag here... Just want to stay vague...)
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To: Chi-townChief

This little girl probably things reality tv is factual also.


38 posted on 07/11/2004 9:11:32 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Chi-townChief

39 posted on 07/11/2004 9:24:25 PM PDT by Boazo (LOSE THE TAG LINE)
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To: FreedomCalls
As I recall, Triumph of Will was mostly a visual presentation, directed mainly at presenting heroic images of Hitler and similarly heroic view of "superior" Aryan Germans and massed troops at a huge rally (Nuremburg, I think). It's dialogue was devoted mainly to Hitler's and other top Nazi's rants, a lot of "Heil Hitlers," plus the Horst Wessel song. I found it notable for the dramatic nature of its photography. Seen long after the demise of Hitler and the Nazis, it is easier to look ar it from a purely cinematic point of view, and even as art, albeit in a perverted form. I do think Riefensthal (sp?) was an artist. I doubt if that will ever be said of Moore and his crapola.
40 posted on 07/11/2004 9:30:25 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Leftists don't acknowledge that Reagan won the cold war because they rooted for the other side.)
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To: Snuffington
Your wish is our command, little darlin'

Rest assured she won't be reading it.

41 posted on 07/11/2004 9:31:43 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Leftists don't acknowledge that Reagan won the cold war because they rooted for the other side.)
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To: arly; Chi-townChief
I guess 15 is about the mental IQ level of most liberals so LIKE why am I acting suprised?

Please, if you're gonna speak abouth the twit, speak her language ;^)

42 posted on 07/12/2004 4:48:57 AM PDT by TheRightGuy (ERROR CODE 018974523: Random Tagline Compiler Failure)
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To: Skooz
I was absolutely convinced that ancient astronauts had built the pyramids, had taught the Incas to fly spaceships and would return, according to an old Aztec calender, on December 23, 2003.

Remember the Nostradamus movie with Orson Wells? Remeber that huge Earthquake that wiped out LA and San Fran in 1987? Wait a minute, that didn't happen! Stupid Nostradamus!

Hey, if the Incas had spaceships, how'd Pizzaro take them so easily? Maybe they got the death ray button and the "deploy cupholder" button confused in the heat of battle.

43 posted on 07/12/2004 6:37:08 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Get in the fight today: Freepmail me to get on your state's KerryTrack Ping list!)
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To: Chi-townChief; All
Michael Moore, war profiteer
44 posted on 07/12/2004 6:57:13 AM PDT by olde north church (Logic made me a conservative, circumstance made me a zealot.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
That Nostradamus movie played on HBO a lot in the early 1980s.

It ends with a frightening prophecy of a new world war and the apocolypse. Some guy with a blue turban.

Nostradamus / Orson Wells KNEW!

45 posted on 07/12/2004 7:12:36 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Chi-townChief
Here's a fact for her chew on:

Michael Moore advocates buying votes with beer and food(from his "Do Something" suggestions)

46 posted on 07/12/2004 7:14:37 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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Moore reaches his target audience: The brainwashed liberal drones who already felt that way to begin with. Wow!!


47 posted on 07/12/2004 7:21:18 AM PDT by Legion04
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To: FreedomCalls
Was there anything in "Triumph of Will" that was not true either?

You know, I haven't seen, TOTW, but I'd bet you're right, in that the rally was truthfully recorded without distortion, even though it was a festival of murderous lies. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that (if you only count lies, deceptions and distortions by the filmmaker, not the subjects of the film,) F9/11 has many, many, many more lies thatn TOTW. Take for instance, that the first shot of F9/11 is a lie: It shows a Gore rally on election day and portrays it as Gore's celebration of his "victory" late that night. Take, for instance, the vacation calculation where Moore counts weekends as vacation time. Take the portion where he shows a Congressman who has no children as an example of pols who won't sacrifice their kids for Bush's evil war. Much of Moore's lying is the equivalent of Reifenstahl showing Hitler speaking at Nuremburg and claiming that he was actually doing it in Moscow, having already defeated the evil communists.

If those sorts of shenanigans were completely absent from TOTW, it wouldn't surprise me much. Reifenstahl's task was to make Hitler look like a dynamic speaker with a lot of followers, not a very difficult task since he was that already at the time. In other words, she was supposed to make an evil make look more powerful and slightly less evil than he was. Moore's task is to make a good man look like a Hitler. That takes a lot more lying.

48 posted on 07/12/2004 8:12:14 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Get in the fight today: Freepmail me to get on your state's KerryTrack Ping list!)
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To: Chi-townChief
You can compare Moore's propaganda with the propaganda
spewed out by Goebbels, Hitler's propaganda minister, except
that Moore is making money at it.
49 posted on 07/12/2004 8:25:14 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: concerned about politics
She's still got three years to grow up. Once 18, she'll either be a bottom feeding left wing failure with a deadly disease , addiction, or a dozen kids without fathers (if she continues on her current path), or an honorable Republican and intelligent adult, wise enough to know communist propaganda when she sees it.

Judging by myself and many of my peers, she won't wise up by 18. Now, age 30, almost certainly if there is any hope at all.

What do I mean by no hope? I have spoken to many teens since 9/11 and almost all of them are 100% hawkish. Most of those who aren't are, for all intents and purposes, 21st century red diaper babies (kids of professors and neo-hippies) and all are ignorant of basic American history and values. The last one I talked too didn't know that the battle of Okinawa was in WWII. A kid who was twelve when the towers fell who thinks Michael Moore is the bees knees may just be too deluded to reach, but then again, when I was 15 I had all the bad features of a big-time lib and a person who doesn't pay attention to politics. Thank God I've wised up on both counts.

50 posted on 07/12/2004 8:30:17 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Get in the fight today: Freepmail me to get on your state's KerryTrack Ping list!)
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