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A Dime's Worth Of Difference? (Liberal Republicans Say "NON!" To Tax Cuts)
OpinionJournal.com ^ | 7/11/04 | Pete Du Pont

Posted on 07/11/2004 9:26:00 PM PDT by goldstategop

An important and serious argument is going on in Washington about whether taxes on Americans' incomes should stay where they are or dramatically rise, and whether government spending should continue its accelerating growth. We know what Democrats think. They despise tax cuts and believe government spending should be higher. Washington Republicans, on the other hand, are unsure of themselves. They used to be for lower taxes and smaller government; now they seem to want bigger spending even if it means higher taxes, abandoning Reagan conservatism for '60s liberalism. In other words, this is a battle for the heart of the Republican Party; the outcome matters, and it seems to be in doubt. With the help of three liberal Republicans (Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine and Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island), and one who should know better (John McCain of Arizona), the Senate, with 51 votes, adopted a rule that if passed in the House will end all the Bush tax cuts and ensure that no new ones are enacted.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: axixofevil; dupont; gop; liberalism; rinos; taxcuts; taxreform
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To: RockinRight
Eliminate some departments, phase out the income tax and phase in a NRST or something similar.

Bush and Co have increased spending on PBS and NPR and the National Endowment for the Arts. You really think there is a chance in the world this party would abolish a department without transfering it all into another?? and it would cost taxpayers billions of extra dollars, of course.

41 posted on 07/11/2004 10:00:21 PM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com)
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To: South40

So Ronnie was the only one to decrease it, and that was only by 4%. I really wish we could tell Bush what he really needs to do to be true to us.


42 posted on 07/11/2004 10:01:10 PM PDT by RockinRight
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To: goldstategop; GeronL

We need to get CO Gov. Bill Owens nominated in 2008! He's truly Reaganesque and even passed a constitutional Amendment (called TABOR) that limits spending growth to inflation + pop. growth. He just cut $1B+ in taxes and the state's doin' great! We'll keep Dubya (Reagan on foreign Policy, Rockefeller on domestic issues) another 4 years and then get another true conservative in there. GO OWENS GO!!!


43 posted on 07/11/2004 10:02:21 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: South40

Wait 'til term 2. Karl Rove doesn't want to take any chances after how close 2000 was. We're buying insurance for November iwth these spending programs, I guess.


44 posted on 07/11/2004 10:03:47 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: RockinRight
Here's another that's most telling...


45 posted on 07/11/2004 10:04:15 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: Capitalism2003

Why does no one understand that 9/11 happened? Do we have to have another attack for people to GET IT? President Bush is spending because of the war. We are at war. We didn't cause the war, the terrorists did. Does anyone in the Congress remember that? I would give every penny I have to give to the President to fight this war. What the hell is wrong with some people in this country?


46 posted on 07/11/2004 10:05:14 PM PDT by Lovergirl (Bush/Cheney 4 more years)
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To: goldstategop

They will ignore us no matter what. For President I support Bush because I don't think we have any choice. Thats the point.


47 posted on 07/11/2004 10:06:07 PM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com)
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To: Lovergirl

I guess we do cause half the country still doesn't.


48 posted on 07/11/2004 10:06:58 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: GeronL
Not this party, today, right now. However, I don't see the Libertarian or Constitution party winning anything. The only way to make it work is for Conservatives to take back the GOP. Or--alternately, one of the "third" parties could displace it. There have never been more than 2 parties dominant in the US. There are good guys out there.

So, for 2008. Forget Giuliani, forget Condi Rice. We need another Reagan, but someone who makes the Gipper almost look liberal. Anyone know who that could be? Someone with Reagan's appeal, optimism, and conservatism, but can do more to shrink gov't (I think Reagan did what he could do at the time).

49 posted on 07/11/2004 10:07:25 PM PDT by RockinRight
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To: goldstategop
Not one bit surprised by Collins and Snow. The politicians in Maine just don't get it. They believe that you should tax citizens and business until we are all unemployed.
50 posted on 07/11/2004 10:07:43 PM PDT by armymarinemom (Ultimate Flip Flop->I support the Troops but not their mission)
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To: Remember_Salamis

I do like Bill Owens. Has he actually shown interest in being Prez? If so, kets start on it now--count me in!


51 posted on 07/11/2004 10:08:29 PM PDT by RockinRight
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To: GeronL

vative have a voice: We're the muscle, the grassroots. Problem is, they give us lip service and move to the center when election time comes around. The Dems do the same thing, pandering to Socialists during the primaries and then try to move to the center later on.


52 posted on 07/11/2004 10:08:32 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: Lovergirl

I am talking abuot non-war spending. The increase is HUGE


53 posted on 07/11/2004 10:08:39 PM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com)
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To: DLfromthedesert
It won't pass in the House.

And CFR will be overturned by the courts...

54 posted on 07/11/2004 10:08:44 PM PDT by null and void (Why is OUR oil under THEIR sand???)
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To: Consort

I wouldn't necessarily take Libertarians over the Constitution Party. The goal is to elect one or two candidates, not reduce Republican seats.


55 posted on 07/11/2004 10:08:58 PM PDT by Tax Government
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To: Lovergirl

Actually, Lovergirl, GWB's a big spender on social issues. But as the chart in post #45 illustrates, defense spending is lower than that of 1993.

Money's being spent just in the wrong areas.


56 posted on 07/11/2004 10:09:26 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: Remember_Salamis

Owens sound alright


57 posted on 07/11/2004 10:09:37 PM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com)
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To: South40

In Dubya's defense, he has done extremely well on defense in light of Clinton's massacre of it.


58 posted on 07/11/2004 10:09:48 PM PDT by RockinRight
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To: GeronL

See post 45.


59 posted on 07/11/2004 10:09:57 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: South40

"I shall exert every faculty I possess in aiding to prevent the Constitution from being nullified, destroyed, or impaired; and even though I should see it fail, I will still, with a voice feeble, perhaps, but earnest as ever issued from human lips, and with extinguish, call on the people to come to its rescue." – Daniel Webster

"It is sobering to reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence." – Charles A. Beard

"Given man's nature, freedom will always be in jeopardy, and the only question that need concern each of us is if and how well we took our stand in its defense during the short period of time when we were potentially a part of the struggle." – Benjamin Rogge

In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man and brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot. – Mark Twain

"I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed in their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is 'needed' before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents' interests, I shall reply that I was informed their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can."

--Barry Goldwater, the LAST Libertarian Republican


60 posted on 07/11/2004 10:10:21 PM PDT by Capitalism2003 (America is too great for small dreams. - Ronald Reagan, speech to Congress. January 1, 1984.)
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