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Posted on 07/12/2004 10:26:34 AM PDT by abnegation

And so it begins.....


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: anarchy; anarchyinamerica; civilization; dirtyrottenhomos; fma; homosexualagenda; homosexualbehavior; lawlessness; marriageamendment; nambla; protectchildren; protectfamily; romans1; senate; sexualperversion; wayneallard
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1 posted on 07/12/2004 10:26:35 AM PDT by abnegation
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To: abnegation

We should start a pool betting on whether or not Left and Further Left show up for this.


2 posted on 07/12/2004 10:27:07 AM PDT by abnegation (If I must choose between righteousness and peace, I choose righteousness TR)
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To: abnegation

I'm waiting for a 'rat to say that defending marriage does not rise to the level of a constitutional issue because "It's all about sex".


3 posted on 07/12/2004 10:29:05 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Semper Paratus

Sen. Wayne Allard (R) Colorado.....Talking now about fillibusters....I just dare the Rats to do it.


4 posted on 07/12/2004 10:29:46 AM PDT by abnegation (If I must choose between righteousness and peace, I choose righteousness TR)
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To: abnegation

Glad to see we are discussing the TRULY important issues of the day, and not bothering to discuss those small and petty issues like terror, health care, the economy, and so forth.

What a festering pile of CRAP this amendment is!


5 posted on 07/12/2004 10:31:17 AM PDT by johnfrink
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To: abnegation

I believe I heard somewhere that they would make a point of being there to vote. It not for their TV appearances, they might not be recognized.


6 posted on 07/12/2004 10:32:16 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: abnegation; StriperSniper; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...

Thanks for starting this thread

};)




7 posted on 07/12/2004 10:35:18 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: johnfrink
What a festering pile of CRAP this amendment is!.....if it truely is crap, then it will fade away, like the Flag Burning Crappy amendment - but this is different, and it takes a certain intuition to tell the difference between "crap" and Shinola , and you don't have that intuition
9 posted on 07/12/2004 10:35:54 AM PDT by rface (Ashland, Missouri - monthly donor - bad speller)
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To: johnfrink

Let me see, at least the last time I looked the economy was booming (thanks to W), WOT is actually being waged not left to the French and the UN (thanks to W) and health care has been saved out of the jaws of the Hildebeast...(sigh, of course it depends on WHERE you are from I suppose.)


10 posted on 07/12/2004 10:36:25 AM PDT by abnegation (If I must choose between righteousness and peace, I choose righteousness TR)
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To: OXENinFLA

You just know the Dems don't want to go on record with this vote *L*


11 posted on 07/12/2004 10:36:43 AM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor ... You can be one too!!)
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To: OXENinFLA

No one else did so I jumped right in. I've been waiting for this (I don't view it as a waste of time btw).


12 posted on 07/12/2004 10:37:37 AM PDT by abnegation (If I must choose between righteousness and peace, I choose righteousness TR)
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To: Bahbah
I believe I heard somewhere that they would make a point of being there to vote. It not for their TV appearances, they might not be recognized.

Carl Camerson said they will be in DC on Wed for the vote

14 posted on 07/12/2004 10:38:38 AM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor ... You can be one too!!)
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To: johnfrink
You hop into a thread title Defense of Marriage Amendment and throw stones because it's not a discussion of other issues?

Having a trouble focusing????

15 posted on 07/12/2004 10:39:28 AM PDT by fml ( You can twist perception, reality won't budge. -RUSH)
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To: Mo1

How will they pull off "voting both ways"?


16 posted on 07/12/2004 10:39:38 AM PDT by abnegation (If I must choose between righteousness and peace, I choose righteousness TR)
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To: johnfrink

Actually, the CRAP part is that so many have let society degenerate to the point that we even need to consider such an amendment. NAMBLA members love people with your attitude; it puts them that much closer to being able to rape young boys with impunity...


17 posted on 07/12/2004 10:41:03 AM PDT by trebb (Ain't God good . . .)
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To: johnfrink

The family IS the foundation of our civilization. I can think of nothing more important to bring to the national debate. And yes, resolved - it deserves to be protected in our Constitution and laws. In the meantime, go back whither thou comest, DU troll!


18 posted on 07/12/2004 10:42:11 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: abnegation

108th CONGRESS

2d Session

S. J. RES. 40

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relating to marriage.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

July 7, 2004

Mr. ALLARD (for himself, Mr. BROWNBACK, Mr. COCHRAN, Mr. ENZI, Mr. FITZGERALD, Mr. FRIST, Mr. HATCH, Mrs. HUTCHISON, Mr. INHOFE, Mr. KYL, Mr. LOTT, Mr. MCCONNELL, Mr. MILLER, Mr. SANTORUM, Mr. SESSIONS, Mr. SHELBY, Mr. TALENT, Mr. CRAPO, and Mr. CRAIG) introduced the following joint resolution; which was read the first time

July 8, 2004

Read the second time and placed on the calendar

JOINT RESOLUTION

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relating to marriage.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States:

`Article--

`SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

`This Article may be cited as the `Federal Marriage Amendment'.

`SECTION 2. MARRIAGE AMENDMENT.

`Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman. Neither this Constitution, nor the constitution of any State, shall be construed to require that marriage or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon any union other than the union of a man and a woman.'.

Calendar No. 620


19 posted on 07/12/2004 10:42:17 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: abnegation

The Dem strategy is obvious. They are going to oppose iyt, but solely on the basis of the argument that it is wrong to monkey with the Constitution...and totally igore the underlying issue..


20 posted on 07/12/2004 10:42:58 AM PDT by ken5050 (We've looked for WMD in Iraq for LESS time than Hillary looked for the Rose Law firm billing records)
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To: johnfrink
"Glad to see we are discussing the TRULY important issues of the day, and not bothering to discuss those small and petty issues like terror, health care, the economy, and so forth."

If you feel that way, why did you bother to post to the thread?

"What a festering pile of CRAP this amendment is!"

I disagree. I believe we need to start strengthening marriage since it is the foundation on which society is built.

Ah, but since you think this is a topic not worth spending time on, I'm sure you won't be responding to this post. You have more important things to do.

21 posted on 07/12/2004 10:42:59 AM PDT by MEGoody (Kerry - isn't that a girl's name? (Conan O'Brian))
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To: trebb

Culturaly I feel like I'm on Omaha Beach and the Panzers are coming down the cliffs.


22 posted on 07/12/2004 10:43:08 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: OXENinFLA

Yes, and sponsored by BOTH of my Senators (Craig and Crapo, ID). For once, I don't have to call them to complain either! LOL


23 posted on 07/12/2004 10:43:41 AM PDT by abnegation (If I must choose between righteousness and peace, I choose righteousness TR)
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To: OXENinFLA

"`Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman. Neither this Constitution, nor the constitution of any State, shall be construed to require that marriage or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon any union other than the union of a man and a woman."

Thanks for putting up the language, Oxen. This matters. This is not c@#9.


24 posted on 07/12/2004 10:45:05 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: johnfrink

When the very foundation of our societal structure is degraded, I can think of no more important piece of legislation to get in place ASAP.
When our founding fathers used the phrase, "we hold these truths to be self-evident", never in their wildest dreams were they imagining the depths of depravity that we would be debating as "rights" less than 250 years later.


25 posted on 07/12/2004 10:46:11 AM PDT by Knute
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To: OXENinFLA

The amendment doesn't have a SINGLE Senate Democratic co-sponsor. Not even Joe Lieberman or Zell Miller. What is it about the Democrats that they talk about American values but can't bring themselves to support the most important of them all? Which is an American as apple pie. Anyway, however the Senate votes, this will tell us a great deal on what Congress thinks about our most important social institution and its future and the sad part is these people need a LOT of convincing to do the right thing.


26 posted on 07/12/2004 10:48:05 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Knute

Santorum is doing an excellent job of explaining why this is important, etc.


27 posted on 07/12/2004 10:48:12 AM PDT by abnegation (If I must choose between righteousness and peace, I choose righteousness TR)
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To: ken5050

A totally phony argument which a lot of gutless Republicans will buy into also. If this issue where brought to the vote of the American people, it would pass by a landslide. Here, its our elected representatives who for once, are out of touch with public opinion.


28 posted on 07/12/2004 10:50:03 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Santorem is doing a good job defending this amendment. "Children need mothers and fathers and society should be all about that." Hard to believe we have come to the point where this has to be fought for.


29 posted on 07/12/2004 10:50:09 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: johnfrink
Glad to see we are discussing the TRULY important issues of the day, and not bothering to discuss those small and petty issues like terror, health care, the economy, and so forth.

What a festering pile of CRAP this amendment is!

Last time I looked, the vast majority of the country didn't agree with you regarding gay "marriage". Now, why not run along and join you buds at DU.

30 posted on 07/12/2004 10:50:35 AM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT!)
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To: goldstategop

ZELL is on it now.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:SJ00040:@@@P


31 posted on 07/12/2004 10:52:12 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Bahbah

Its simple common sense. What has happened to our country that the proposition Sen. Santorum put forth has become so controversial?


32 posted on 07/12/2004 10:52:38 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Knute

Whatever they say, they are not really talking about rights. They are talking about the privilege of employers paying for benefits. I am no fan of government ordered benefits. If an employer has the means and the inclination to offer benefits to gay couples then that's great. In fact, the big companies (which are supposed to be the cornerstone of the vrwc) offer partner benefits. It's the small business that gets hosed.

Wouldn't it be healthier for people to do what they think is right and not rely on others to pay for those decisions?


33 posted on 07/12/2004 10:52:43 AM PDT by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: abnegation

Unfortunately, debate is as far as it will go as it will never pass.


34 posted on 07/12/2004 10:54:03 AM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: teletech

Up to 70% of the American people in various states from Republican, conservative Alaska to Democratic, liberal Hawaii have backed protecting traditional marriage. A partisan issue it ain't.


35 posted on 07/12/2004 10:54:05 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

I didn't say it was valid..I merely explained how the Dems will positin and spin it..


36 posted on 07/12/2004 10:55:14 AM PDT by ken5050 (We've looked for WMD in Iraq for LESS time than Hillary looked for the Rose Law firm billing records)
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To: South40

We will see. The debate can still be enlightening to the country in telling us what the Democrats mean by American values.


37 posted on 07/12/2004 10:55:17 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: teletech

It's obvious when a DUer infests FR; you can smell them.


38 posted on 07/12/2004 10:56:56 AM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: goldstategop
You think it's going to get a 2/3 vote?

Not likely.

39 posted on 07/12/2004 10:57:45 AM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: MEGoody
I believe we need to start strengthening marriage since it is the foundation on which society is built.

Right, so let's focus on the reason that so many actual marriages fail, rather than trying to stop people who want to be married from getting married. Britney Spears can get married and then annulled in 55 hours, and can then get engaged to her boyfriend, who happens to be the fiance to the woman with whom he has one child and another on the way, and there's no problem with that. But two guys who have been together for 15 years want to get married, and woah! We need an amendment to our Constitution! This is a cheap political stunt, and it makes the GOP look petty.

40 posted on 07/12/2004 11:00:00 AM PDT by johnfrink
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To: Mo1; maica
You just know the Dems don't want to go on record with this vote

Going on record is very powerful. It is one thing that the 2 Johns cannot deny today.

I remember during the hearings on illegal campaign contributions / nuclear secrets / Chinese connections that person after person sent a note from their lawyers saying that they would invoke their fifth amendment rights not to testify. The stupid Republicans must have valued a long lunch over the powerful video and pictures of all those people taking the fifth. They should have made every one of them come to the Senate and personally state their refusal to testify. I think that more than 50 fled the country in addition to the dozens who pleaded the fifth. Most people in the country do not even know about those entire, close to treasonous, events. Pictures get through to people.

41 posted on 07/12/2004 11:00:05 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: South40

Nearly a decade after 86 Senators voted for the Defense Of Marriage Act, it can't pass? I'll be happy if it gets a majority as it ought. If it doesn't it says more about our politicians than it does about where the American people stand.


42 posted on 07/12/2004 11:00:40 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: teletech

The vast majority of the country thought it was right that blacks and whites be segregated in the 1950s.

So by your logic, we should have maintained Jim Crow laws.


43 posted on 07/12/2004 11:01:26 AM PDT by johnfrink
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To: johnfrink

For someone who views this as "crap" and a "waste of time" you sure are weighing in on it. Perhaps your time would be better served to go to a thread at DU where they are discussing "WOT, the economy and health care".


44 posted on 07/12/2004 11:01:39 AM PDT by abnegation (If I must choose between righteousness and peace, I choose righteousness TR)
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To: goldstategop

Already preparing to make both of WV's RAT Senator's pay for their certain votes against this eminently sensible and necessary Amendment.


45 posted on 07/12/2004 11:02:35 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: abnegation
Santorum is RIPPING people right now---not people who believe that gay marriage should be legal, but rather legislators who say that legalizing gay marriage is wrong, but who sit on their hands and refuse to do anything about it.

Bravo.

Feinstein is next. Sigh.

46 posted on 07/12/2004 11:03:13 AM PDT by mcg1969
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To: johnfrink

The real problem is precisely the one you allude. It isn't about what gay people do. Its the fact that from the Left, marriage and the family have been weakened to the point where it makes more sense to live together than to be married. Gays and lesbians have rights too but the right to redefine the meaning of marriage for the rest of society isn't among them.


47 posted on 07/12/2004 11:03:18 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: OXENinFLA
Thanks for the ping
...listening to the debate
48 posted on 07/12/2004 11:03:21 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: South40

So, if it can't pass then forget doing it?

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt


49 posted on 07/12/2004 11:03:41 AM PDT by abnegation (If I must choose between righteousness and peace, I choose righteousness TR)
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To: johnfrink; Poohbah; dighton; mhking

Conn, sonar, possible troll contact, bearing 170...


50 posted on 07/12/2004 11:03:49 AM PDT by hchutch ("Go ahead. Leave early and beat the traffic. The Milwaukee Brewers dare you." - MLB.com 5/11/04)
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