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The love that dares not neigh its name
Cox News Service ^ | July 13, 2004 | Jay Bookman

Posted on 07/13/2004 6:50:48 AM PDT by Area Freeper

"What's next?" Braves pitcher John Smoltz said, when asked his opinion about gay marriage. "Marrying an animal?"

It's fascinating how often that happens. Time and time again, when opponents of gay marriage and gay unions are asked to explain their position, their real underlying concern turns out to be a rather odd fear of bestiality.

That same obsession seems to have afflicted Timothy Dailey, a stern opponent of gay marriage and a senior fellow at the Family Research Council, a national conservative group. In an FRC brochure titled "The Slippery Slope of Same-Sex Marriage," Dailey brings up an obscure case that came to light five years ago about a deluded soul in Missouri named Mark. It seems that Mark fell in love with his pony, named Pixel, and in 1993 actually "married" her in a private ceremony.

"She's gorgeous. She's sweet. She's loving," Mark was quoted as saying in unbridled affection. "I'm very proud of her ... . Deep down, way down, I'd love to have children with her."

For Dailey, this was a call to arms. Like Smoltz, he worries that if gay marriage or gay unions are allowed, there would also be nothing in the law to stop couples such as Mark and Pixel from also getting hitched.

"Once marriage is no longer confined to a man and a woman," Dailey warned, "it is impossible to exclude virtually any relationship between two or more partners of either sex -- even nonhuman 'partners.' "

Imagine, if you will, the possible implications of such a thing. For example, it could mean that animals who enter this country illegally might be able to marry U.S. citizens and then demand the right to vote, for goodness' sake.

To avert such calamities, Dailey and others are pushing for an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would define marriage as a union between a man and a woman, thus removing any possibility that individual states could decide for themselves to sanction bestiality or gay unions. The proposed amendment is scheduled to be debated and voted on this week in the U.S. Senate, and it's expected to be a bitter and divisive fight.

So I have a proposal: If the real, underlying issue in this debate is the fear that human beings will someday be allowed to marry animals -- if Smoltz, Dailey and others are honestly and truly worried by that prospect -- then let's address that issue head on. Let's pass a Federal Animals, Relationships and Marriage amendment to the U.S. Constitution that outlaws all interspecies marriages, period.

The FARM act would have two other important advantages over the proposed Federal Marriage Amendment. First, this is a deeply divided nation, and the last thing we need is something to get us even angrier at one another.

What we need instead is something that will unite us, a cause that all of us can rally behind. And surely all Americans -- with the notable exception of one very lonely guy out in Missouri -- can get behind the FARM act and thus protect human-to-human marriage from this dire threat.

By championing the FARM act, President Bush could finally make good on his promise to be a uniter, not a divider. And John Kerry could use the amendment to demonstrate yet again that there are some issues too important to compromise on. As far as I know, he is now and has always been opposed to human-animal sex, even during the '60s.

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KEYWORDS: bestiality; homosexualagenda; samesexmarriage; sexualorientation; slipperyslope
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1 posted on 07/13/2004 6:50:48 AM PDT by Area Freeper
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To: Area Freeper

"I'm very proud of her ... . Deep down, way down, I'd love to have children with her."


and that's how John Kerry was born.


2 posted on 07/13/2004 6:53:24 AM PDT by exile (Exile - Helen Thomas tried to lure me into her Gingerbread House.)
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To: Area Freeper

There's just something inherently funny about a homosexual marriage article by Cox News Service.


3 posted on 07/13/2004 7:04:37 AM PDT by MamaTexan (TAG!!! Your it!)
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To: Area Freeper

I recived an email from my big brother last night. He is on the mailing list for moooooveon and he forwarded it to everyone on his email list. The email stated that "we need to stop this amendment" My brother (whom I always thought was more intellegent than this) added his 2 cents, stating that he cannot "for the life of me" understand why this is such an issue when the war in Iraq, and the economy are more important.... my reply...
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I love you, but I'm sorry, I do not agree with you here. Marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN, the whole thing comes down to anatomy, and the definition of marriage as it states in the dictionary, and what marriage has been for all of civilization. A dog is a dog, a boat is a boat, and a book is a book. Should we change the definition of any of these because a small minority wants something that isn't real? Before you go off on me here, do you remember my friend *? As gay as a 3 dollar bill, one of my best friends, and I loved him and I was heartbroken when he died. I would give him the same argument. I dont buy the crap with this being compared to black rights or the right for women to vote. Gays CHOOSE to be gay, and I have known quite a few gays and lesbians who all say this. Blacks do not CHOOSE their skin color, nor do women CHOOSE the fact they dont have a penis.

I am grateful that both senators from my state are voting for this amendment, one of who is Zell Miller, a democrat, so this proves that this in not a "vast right wing conspiracy" theory. I am happy that they are voting with the majority of this country, which all polls show more than 50% of this country dont want gay marriage.

Please, *, I love you, but dont ever sent me anything else from moveon.org. I think it is a communist, fascist site, and I am disappointed that you believe the garbage that they spew. They still have the Bush/Hiter ad running? Did our parents not teach us respect for the office of the president? I learned that lesson, I am surprised that you didn't. No, I have not turned into a "nazi-warmonger" as I am sure I am called on sites like moveon and the democratic underground. I have always considered myself an independent voter, never ever have I voted straight down a party line, but who I felt best was able to do the task at hand.

I will never vote for Kerry. I feel, as Zell Miller does, so disappointed with the democratic party, that there is no way I will leave my security, or the security of my children to someone as indecisive as John Kerry. He is a man who when he comes home from Vietnam throws his medals (or were they someone else's?) over a fence, testifies to atrocities committed, and is now running on the fact that he was a war hero. He isn't even legally able to hold office according to the constitution. Joe Leiberman was the best choice for the party. Do you support Hillary Clinton when she said recently that the tax breaks were nice, but we are going to "take it away from you for the common good"? Yes, we live in America, not communist Russia, and taxing the "rich" to support people too lazy to get out and work is absolutely ridiculous, and I cannot believe that you would agree with this!

If the republicans are dividing this great nation of ours, why is a democrat speaking at the republican convention? I see that as unity, not division. Oh yes, the democrats have Ron Reagan speaking, but just on the stem cell issue, he has never been a republican, so it cant be stated that he is the "republican" at the democratic convention.

I am truly surprised that you are a member of moveon, and I must say, I am disappointed by this. I thought you were more intelligent then that.

I love you
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I havent heard back from him yet, truth hurts I guess....


4 posted on 07/13/2004 7:05:11 AM PDT by backinthefold (9/11 changed me, and I will never forget)
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To: backinthefold
Very good response! I was getting forwarded emails from moveon.org by a former boss. I wrote an email to her, more brief than yours, but basically saying the same things about Kerry. She hasn't sent any propaganda to me since.
5 posted on 07/13/2004 7:10:45 AM PDT by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W."Billy" Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: backinthefold
Do you support Hillary Clinton when she said recently that the tax breaks were nice, but we are going to "take it away from you for the common good"?

That is not what Hillary said. What Hillary said is far worse. Here is what Hillary actually said...

"We are going to take things from you for the common good."

Reducing her comment to we are going to take "tax breaks" away from you is a nothing ball statement that is said by virtually every democrat politician in America.

6 posted on 07/13/2004 7:11:15 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Area Freeper
It seems that Mark fell in love with his pony, named Pixel, and in 1993 actually "married" her in a private ceremony. "She's gorgeous. She's sweet. She's loving," Mark was quoted as saying in unbridled affection.

No pun intended, of course.

7 posted on 07/13/2004 7:14:22 AM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: Area Freeper
Like Smoltz, he worries that if gay marriage or gay unions are allowed, there would also be nothing in the law to stop couples such as Mark and Pixel from also getting hitched.

Let me guess. With very little fear of being wrong, I'd say there's a good chance that Jay Bookman and John Smoltz don't bat for the same team..

8 posted on 07/13/2004 7:16:12 AM PDT by LTCJ (Gridlock '05 - the Lesser of Three Evils.)
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To: Area Freeper
...their real underlying concern turns out to be a rather odd fear of bestiality.

I stopped right there. It is not "fear", it's disgust, and it's certainly not "odd", except, perhaps, in the mind of this cretin.

FMCDH(BITS)

9 posted on 07/13/2004 7:17:33 AM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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To: Area Freeper

How am I harmed by gay marriage?

1. Societal approval to an unnatural, disease-laden and disease-exchanging behavior.

2. Unfair status affecting my taxes for those who receive benefits that they are not sufficiently procreative enough to warrant.

3. Slippery slope that threatens further tax burdens when polygamy and other unnatural unions enter the picture.


10 posted on 07/13/2004 7:21:28 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: Area Freeper
"pushing for an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would define marriage as a union between a man and a woman". Maybe they should change it to male and female humans or something like that.
11 posted on 07/13/2004 7:22:54 AM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated. Thank you, President Bush.)
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To: backinthefold
I was thinking about the comparison of gay rights to civil rights for blacks, and here is what I came up with:

The question of whether gays choose to be gay or not is beside the point. A person doesn't CHOOSE to be a schizophrenic, but that doesn't make it any less a disorder. Likewise, even if someone doesn't CHOOSE homosexual tendencies, it doesn't mean it is therefore healthy and normal.

No, the reason the black civil rights analogy doesn't wash is because blacks were standing up and demanding rights to which they were already entitled but were being denied. We didn't have to rewrite "All men are created equal." We simply had to demand that Americans extend those rights to ALL MEN. There was no new right or new idenity created. As Martin Luther King, Jr. said:

"In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men would be guaranteed the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

"It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check which has come back marked 'insufficient funds.' But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check -- a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.

From "I have a dream", August 28, 1963

American blacks came for what was already rightfully theirs. Clearly, homosexuals are demanding a new right, a new social contract, a new promissory note, one not in the Constitution, but foisted on America by the courts. That is why the analogy breaks down. Not because of what choice one has in their homosexual tendencies. But because no one ever promised homosexuals the right to be married. It's really that simple. At least, to this hetero white male.

Let me leave you with my own joke about gay marriage, which has a lot of truth in it:

I support equal marriage rights for ALL people, including homosexual people. I believe that no matter if you are a straight man or a homosexual man, you have the right to marry a woman. And if you are straight or homosexual woman, you have the right to marry a man. Someone explain to me how that's not equality under the law?

12 posted on 07/13/2004 7:23:22 AM PDT by Huck (I love the USA!)
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To: backinthefold
Gays CHOOSE to be gay, and I have known quite a few gays and lesbians who all say this.

That's really odd. I know lots of gays and lesbians and I'm pretty sure all of them would disagree with this. I can't imagine a single one saying they chose to be gay.

13 posted on 07/13/2004 7:26:52 AM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: backinthefold
He isn't even legally able to hold office according to the constitution.

Could you explain this? That's the first of heard of that.

14 posted on 07/13/2004 7:29:11 AM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: Phantom Lord

Perhaps she should start by taking Bill's "thing" from him for the common good!


15 posted on 07/13/2004 7:33:32 AM PDT by not2worry
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To: Area Freeper
when opponents of gay marriage and gay unions are asked to explain their position, their real underlying concern turns out to be a rather odd fear of bestiality.

No. It's the liberal system of wierdos declaring themselves as a minority/victims so they can get special privileges enacted into law by un-elected judges.

16 posted on 07/13/2004 7:35:32 AM PDT by capt. norm (Rap is to music what the Etch-A-Sketch is to art.)
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To: tdadams
Pixel, you see, is a female pony, which means that technically speaking, she and Mark in Missouri have actually enjoyed a stable, heterosexual relationship.
17 posted on 07/13/2004 7:35:59 AM PDT by Area Freeper
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To: Area Freeper

Really, reasoning from the same context as the pro-gay marriage folks, their is no reason not to allow bestiality. That was Justice Scalia's entire point.


18 posted on 07/13/2004 7:36:01 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: tdadams

You have just defined emotional and mental bondage. It requires some effort and therapy but healing is possible.


19 posted on 07/13/2004 7:40:59 AM PDT by Frapster (Not with the wisdom of man's words but through the demonstration of power.)
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To: Savage Beast
Man and Woman is specific. No other male and female species is referred to as "man" and "woman". This author is being a smart a**.
20 posted on 07/13/2004 7:44:40 AM PDT by PreviouslyA-Lurker (al-Qa'ida terrorists are cowards who hide behind masks and decapitate helpless victims.)
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To: Area Freeper

Huh, is this where the Missouri mule came from?


21 posted on 07/13/2004 7:45:53 AM PDT by PreviouslyA-Lurker (al-Qa'ida terrorists are cowards who hide behind masks and decapitate helpless victims.)
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To: backinthefold
Blacks do not CHOOSE their skin color

Hold the presses; we've found someone who has been living on Mars for the past twenty-five years or so, and has never heard of Michael Jackson.

22 posted on 07/13/2004 7:56:58 AM PDT by steve-b (Panties & Leashes Would Look Good On Spammers)
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To: tdadams

please see this...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1168167/posts

and this...

http://www.patriotpetitions.us/Kerry/


23 posted on 07/13/2004 7:58:48 AM PDT by backinthefold (9/11 changed me, and I will never forget)
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To: tdadams

They are victims of their sexuality from birth, right?


24 posted on 07/13/2004 8:03:30 AM PDT by PreviouslyA-Lurker (al-Qa'ida terrorists are cowards who hide behind masks and decapitate helpless victims.)
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To: Area Freeper
Yesterday Michael Medved sent a gay activist to insanity when he said that being gay was a TRAGEDY!!! The guy was beside himself with anger!! Go Michael.

If any of you have not listened to Michael Medved, you should do yourselves a favor and tune in.....he's the BEST!

25 posted on 07/13/2004 8:04:22 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: LTCJ

I think Jay Bookman could be a "catcher".


26 posted on 07/13/2004 8:06:15 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: not2worry

As a public servant, doesn't he have the "right" to grope or rape whomever he chooses? [sarcasm off]


27 posted on 07/13/2004 8:09:35 AM PDT by PreviouslyA-Lurker (al-Qa'ida terrorists are cowards who hide behind masks and decapitate helpless victims.)
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To: Frapster

Thanks for that opinion.


28 posted on 07/13/2004 8:11:27 AM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: backinthefold

I can't believe you think moveon.org is a communist/fascist site, and yet Freerepublic is somehow balanced. I am scared at where political discourse in this country is going.....people ONLY want media that espouses their own beliefs, media that doesn't challenge their beliefs. A clear majority of the news on FreeRepublic, a misnomer if I ever heard one, support only its views.

As for gays who claim to make a choice.......you clearly don't understand sexuality, and are eager to lap up only those answers that support the way you view things. Many so-called gay and lesbian people are really bisexual.....bisexuality is common in a majority of people...few people are either totally straight or totally gay, most people have, at one time or another, had feelings for the same sex. In this sense, I suppose it would be easy for someone to say they CHOOSE to be gay or straight, because they really do have a choice. There are MANY gay people though who are NOT attracted to the opposite sex at all, and for these people, there is no choice. You can't choose who you are attracted to.....I'm suprised that someone who seems as intelligent as you could actually believe this.

Jason


29 posted on 07/13/2004 8:12:12 AM PDT by Jayhuck (Free Republic isn't FREE, and Gay people don't choose who they are attracted to!!!)
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To: Ann Archy

I agree. He's been very clear, convincing, and consistent in his argument against gay marriage. Any time a caller challenges him on the issue, he just drags out the same old proven arguments and lets us listen to them try to dodge, change the argument, name-call, etc. Anything to avoid answering the question. Beyond that, his show in general is the best out there, I think. I can't imagine Limbaugh, (though I like his show), having "disagreement day" where he only allows callers who disagree with him to call in and challenge him.


30 posted on 07/13/2004 8:14:06 AM PDT by BMiles2112
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To: Jayhuck
. . . few people are either totally straight or totally gay, most people have, at one time or another, had feelings for the same sex.

Most glad I don't live in your neighborhood.

31 posted on 07/13/2004 8:14:18 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: backinthefold
Interesting point, and valid, I think. It's too bad nobody adheres to the Constitution much anymore, especially on a matter like this. It'll be dismissed out of hand with a chuckle from Democrats.

I don't think the founding fathers would have taken such a thing so lightly. I think when they wrote it, they meant it.

32 posted on 07/13/2004 8:15:19 AM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: Jayhuck

10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3......


33 posted on 07/13/2004 8:16:47 AM PDT by BMiles2112
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To: Jayhuck
Having trouble thinking straight are we?

P.S. One shouldn't end a sentence with a preposition.

34 posted on 07/13/2004 8:18:37 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (vote Democrat, it beats working for a living)
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To: Jayhuck

How old are you Jay?


35 posted on 07/13/2004 8:18:55 AM PDT by bvw
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To: dubyaismypresident

End what with?


36 posted on 07/13/2004 8:19:36 AM PDT by bvw
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To: backinthefold

An addendum to my earlier message on the direction of political discourse in this country: I said earlier that people in this country seem to only desire media that says what they wants to hear, that supports their own beliefs and doesn't challenge them. The people I'm referring to are both liberal and conservative. There is no desire to really hear and understand both sides of an issue, there's just a desire to have someone else, a news media or web site, justify their position. This is sad. What's even sadder is that both liberals and conservatives will read this and say they've already heard the other side and they don't want any part of it, and this sort of degradation of political discussion will continue....continue into the 3rd-grade playground kind of name calling direction its been headed for several years. I, for one, don't want to watch a great nation such as ours decline in this manner.


37 posted on 07/13/2004 8:22:12 AM PDT by Jayhuck (Political Discourse)
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To: Area Freeper
Horse face and the silky pony

38 posted on 07/13/2004 8:22:30 AM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: BMiles2112

Actually, the only time Medved takes a call that agrees with him, is when he has on a guest from the left. He makes mincemeat out of every caller. He's much tougher than Rush.


39 posted on 07/13/2004 8:22:38 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: xzins

There's an additional, even more direct, harm as well. Last week, a county in Oregon stopped issuing ANY marriage licenses, including to heterosexual couples, because they were prevented from issuing them to homosexual couples. This could ultimately destroy the legal institution of marriage, which in turn has the potential of destroying our society!


40 posted on 07/13/2004 8:26:39 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Area Freeper

I noticed that no one has been able to get the pony's opinion in all of this...


41 posted on 07/13/2004 8:29:17 AM PDT by PreviouslyA-Lurker (al-Qa'ida terrorists are cowards who hide behind masks and decapitate helpless victims.)
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To: Jayhuck
Let me repeat what Huck said in post #12 above.
A person doesn't CHOOSE to be a schizophrenic, but that doesn't make it any less a disorder. Likewise, even if someone doesn't CHOOSE homosexual tendencies, it doesn't mean it is therefore healthy and normal.

42 posted on 07/13/2004 8:29:21 AM PDT by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: bvw

Why do you ask about my age?


43 posted on 07/13/2004 8:29:23 AM PDT by Jayhuck (age)
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To: Jayhuck
few people are either totally straight or totally gay, most people have, at one time or another, had feelings for the same sex.

You're simply reflecting the experience of your provincial set of friends. In fact, most people never are attracted to those of their own gender.

44 posted on 07/13/2004 8:29:56 AM PDT by Taliesan (fiction police)
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To: Area Freeper

I read a psychiatrist's account of a man who fell in love with a polar bear in a circus.. He would try to get close to it and was almost killed by the bear ...the psychiatrist worked with him till he finally got over his obsession with the bear, but he was never happy after that....(true story)


45 posted on 07/13/2004 8:30:03 AM PDT by woofie ( Ya gotta know who ya is and who ya aint ...cause if ya dont know who ya aint ,ya aint who ya is.)
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To: mollynme

Bad analogy! If you're going to go the route of modern psychology, the establishment does not view homosexuality as a disorder.......so I guess I don't understand where you are going with this argument.


46 posted on 07/13/2004 8:30:28 AM PDT by Jayhuck (age)
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To: Ann Archy
Michael Medved can put down a caller without either the bombast of Rush Limbaugh or the vitriol of Michael Savage. Unlike the other two, or Dr. Laura for that matter, I think his style would translate well to television.
47 posted on 07/13/2004 8:30:31 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Jayhuck

--.you clearly don't understand sexuality, and are eager to lap up only those answers that support the way you view things--

Please understand this, I have friends who are gay, and had a very close relative who is gay. this relative has told me, that he chooses who to be with, which was a woman (he has passed away) We all make choices everyday. I am all for a civil union, but as I stated in the email, the definition of marrage is between a man and a woman. Why must we change the definition of something because a small portion of people want it? One of my best gay friends, love to say, when he was drunk, he loved boobies, but when sober his choice was men.

I am not homophobic, please dont think that.

This has nothing to do with religion, but with what the word "marriage" is, a man and a woman. I chose the man I married 18 years ago, this was our choice.

This is what I mean by choice.


48 posted on 07/13/2004 8:31:06 AM PDT by backinthefold (9/11 changed me, and I will never forget)
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To: Taliesan

Actually, I think you are just reflecting the experience of your own set of friends. All studies that I have seen doen on sexuality point to the fact that most people have, at one time or another, been attracted to members of the same sex.


49 posted on 07/13/2004 8:31:27 AM PDT by Jayhuck (age)
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To: Jayhuck
the establishment does not view homosexuality as a disorder.

I don't get your point.

50 posted on 07/13/2004 8:31:39 AM PDT by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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