Posted on 07/13/2004 7:43:36 AM PDT by crv16
Speaking of recycling, where does one get rid of those small green propane tanks(used for camping/small grills)??
"I'd rather smell lindens and roses than decomposing trash."
You would not smell decomposing trash if you were to live on top of a closed landfill, your delusions notwithstanding.
"What about all the recycling done during WWII? Was that unpatriotic and liberal? Guess so according to your book."
Do you even know what you're talking about?
The rececyling during ww2 was to conserve and reclaim resources needed for the war effort. It had nothing to do with saving 'gaia'. It was patriotic because the materials were needed and recycling filled the void and helped the war effort.
Recycling in WW2 is 180 degrees away from what it is today. Back then it was strategic and necessary. Today it mainly wasteful and the only benefit is 'feeling good about yourself'. Wasting government money to help people feel good about themselves isn't patriotic, and is pretty much typical for a liberal program.
I'm not trying to save "gaia" (I don't even know what that is)and I'm not trying to feel good about myself either and again I'm not a liberal so get that out of your head.
Not all recycling programs are wastefull. You and I will disagree about this forver so let both quit or we will be going back and forth for the next 3 months.
"Not all recycling programs are wastefull. You and I will disagree about this forver so let both quit or we will be going back and forth for the next 3 months."
Aww, does that mean you don't want to try and draw an extremely tenuous parallel between the recycling programs of today and the war effort recycling of WW2???
Come on, you can do it! You just have to throw out all logic and facts to accomplish it, but I know it can be done!!!
I know the BIG differnce between the recycling programs during WWII and today. You want to know the parrallel between the programs of WWII and today and why recycling makes our country stronger economicaly in todays global workplace?
I live in between Ormet Aluminum, Weirton Steel and Wheeling Pitt Steel. It is good thing some people do recycle because I know what the price of a ton of aluminum or steel would be starting out with ore vs recycled steel or aluminum. Do you know how much more our country would be disadavantaged in todays global business environment if we started from ore?
I look at us loosing jobs(hence our way of life) in this country to other countries similarily to a war with another country. We are in a war in a sense. Also if it were not for recycled steel Weirton and Wheeling Pitt would have been closed down long ago. A new arc furnace built recently by Wheeling Pitt so they could use 100% recycled materials has literally saved them from bankrcupty. I don't work for the mill but work for a company that does about 50% of its annual revenues from the mill.
You talk with any steel worker today and they will tell you the imoportance of recylced products. Without it we would have no mills left in this country. Yes developing countries are starting out with ore mostly but their workers are only making 1.00 per day.
Also Recyling works for me. My garbage collector charges by the number of cans I have. My collection bill is half of what it whould be if i did not recycle. Plus my church makes out from all the aluminum collected from 90+ parrishoners. It's not a great amount but better than nothing for a small rural church.
To my eyes this reads as a polite way of saying the topic is no longer interesting, since all parties involved appear to be happy with which side of this particular fence they are on. Apparently your eyes read it as an invitation to make some snotty remarks.
I'm around kids all day. I can spot snotty remarks a mile off.
/snotty remarks
You mean like socialism?
Quote: "Look, I listen to Rush every day, and I know you environmentalist wacko's would rather see all our tree's burned down in a forest fire, than to allow to forest industry do a little trimming of the dead wood."
..um I actually just sold off 12 acres of trees to the Amish which will pay for the restoration of my gas burning/polluting 64 1/2 Mustang which has a 302 with a dual carbed tunnel ram to boot.
So please don't call me a enviro wacko. My wife's hobby and my other hobbies are anti environement as well. We own a Tacoma SUV which pulls my enclosed Featherlite car trailer and my wifes Featherlite horse trailer (got a good deal because we bought both at the same time :) )
"To my eyes this reads as a polite way of saying the topic is no longer interesting, since all parties involved appear to be happy with which side of this particular fence they are on. Apparently your eyes read it as an invitation to make some snotty remarks.
I'm around kids all day. I can spot snotty remarks a mile off."
Apparently you took my post as an open invitation to make yourself appear superiour by being 'above the fray'. I can spot people who get their kicks by trying to act like they're above everyone else a mile away.
As for his original post to me, it wasn't a way of saying the topic was no longer interesting. It was a way of saying that his original point comparing modern day recycling to war effort recycling was ridiculous and he really didn't have anything to back it up.
If the topic was really no longer interesting to him, he wouldn't have followed up later with a 300 word response, would he??? I guess that fact delfates your whole premise.
Sorry I spoiled your chance at palying mother superior for a day. Feel free to try the act on someone else who will put up with it.
NOTE TO FLASHBUNNY & DOE EYES:
You know why I endorse recycling so much ? Us rural country people are getting sick and tired of taking your city slickers garbage and spoiling our land. When you take care of your own garbage whether by eating it or planting it in YOUR OWN backyard I won't howl so much.
You see we have to take your garabage becausae we are few in number and weak and the politicians would rather loose our few measly votes than loose the larger voting block.
DUMP YOUR OWN GARBAGE IN YOUR BACKYARD OR SHUT YOUR PIEHOLES!!
Quote: "If the topic was really no longer interesting to him, he wouldn't have followed up later with a 300 word response, would he??? I guess that fact delfates your whole premise.""
Flashbunny:
I would not have made any more comments except you did make that final snotty remark to me. If you would have let it go I would have let it go.
"I know the BIG differnce between the recycling programs during WWII and today. You want to know the parrallel between the programs of WWII and today and why recycling makes our country stronger economicaly in todays global workplace? "
They have nothing to do with each other. Any attempt to link them is absurd. And money-producing recycling has almost as little to do with money-draining recycling as "Citizen Kane" has to do with "fraudnhype 9/11".
Recycling in ww2 had nothing to do with keeping industry financially viable. It had everything to do with making sure the people fighting the war had the materials they needed to win it. Materials could be procured for less, or materials that were in short supply because of geography (the loss of rubber sources in the pacific theater) could be stretched because of recycling efforts and rationing.
And most people did all they could to help, because they could see benefits from it. That's not true in the 'cult of recycling' today, because most of the benefits claimed aren't there.
You seem to be missing the point as to what the article is about. Except for a brief mention about plastic bottles filling up recycling bins, it's not about recycling cans. Those things were recycled before the mid 80's recycling hysteria. I used to recycle cans when I used them. It wasn't done by government decree, it was done by market demand. And it worked. Know why? Because there is an actual demand for those products. Not one created by government mandate, but by the market saying "hey, if we could get X amount of recycled goods and reclaim them, we'd save $Y - let's do it!".
That's why your church makes money from turning in cans. Because businesses want them. And generally they want and need as much as consumers can turn in.
The difference is with things like plastic and paper, there is no real demand. So we have recycling instituted by the decree of government, not the decree of the market. The end result is that since there is no vital demand, attempting to recycle these items is at most a waste of time, and at worst, counterproductive. Often these things get scrapped and put in landfills, only with the recycling programs, we have to pay more money for all the extra effort before people decide there's no use for them.
There are three phases of recycling that we're talking about here: The ww2 phase, done for the war effort. The post war to mid 80's phase, when reycling was done because it made economic sense. And the recycling hysteria phase, where "we" started recycling not because it made economic sense, but because we were hectored into it by the government, the hollywood halfwits, and environtmental do-gooders who don't know a damn thing about nature or economics.
"Flashbunny:
I would not have made any more comments except you did make that final snotty remark to me. If you would have let it go I would have let it go."
And you hadn't made the following snotty remark to someone else trying to equate modern day recycling with war effort recycling, I wouldn't have replied to you at all:
"What about all the recycling done during WWII? Was that unpatriotic and liberal? Guess so according to your book."
THAT was a snotty remark trying to back up your point. And it was started by YOU. But it was incredibly silly and made no sense. THAT is why you got called on it. Apparently you feel you should be able to make challanges using whatever remarks you want, without basis in fact, and never be challenged on it. But if someone does question you on it, they're being snotty.
I hate to dredge it up again, but heck, that's exactly what the liberals do. Throw around whatever they want, but the second someone else calls them on it, it becomes "how dare you question me in that tone!!" It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
So do you still stand by your claim? Is ted danson telling us to recycle our plastic soda can holders so we don't kill the oceans like the government telling us to turn in old rubber so we could defeat the nazi's???
I like doing my own recycling. I use brown paper grocery bags as trash bags, costumes for my kids, wrapping paper, etc.
People use to use glass coke bottles for all sorts of uses around the house.
I think it makes more sense to recycle that way.
Actually I think our parents probably were some of the best recyclers. I'm sure the people alive during WWII were.
I also think that today we just use toooo much plastic. It's hard to get rid of the plastic or reuse it for much. I wish that items were wrapped in paper products because then it can easily decompose (even in your own home with a composting bin).
OUCH!
Ya got me there, no mistake. I'll be sitting in the corner if anyone should ask.
FReegards!
When you stop to get gas at a gas station, throw those tanks in the trash, just before you drive away. At least that is how I do it.
Did they recycle glass and plastic in WWII? Metals are still worth recycling, just like they were in WWII.
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