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Author: Al-Qaida Has Nuclear Weapons, Likely Inside U.S.
NewsMax ^ | 7/14/04 | Stewart Stogel

Posted on 07/13/2004 7:11:31 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: Nachum
Let them know that we will nuke all the Arab capitals, and melt Mecca in return.

Given todays political landscape, that wouldn't happen, you see, that is not politically correct.

161 posted on 07/14/2004 9:13:09 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf ( failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Given todays political landscape, that wouldn't happen, you see, that is not politically correct.

Not to mention dumb and immoral.


162 posted on 07/14/2004 9:28:21 PM PDT by Valin (Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.)
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To: Valin
So how many million men women children do you figure we'd have to kill?

Turn that around. How many more American men, women and children would die if we did not respond with overwhelming force to such an attack? It's up to the "moderate" Muslims to rein in their wacos. We must protect our own first.

Actually I don't think we'd need to kill all that many. Give them advance notice and they can flee the target areas, but the targets must be places of extreme signifigence to the terrorists.

163 posted on 07/15/2004 9:43:26 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: El Gato

Actually I don't think we'd need to kill all that many. Give them advance notice and they can flee the target areas, but the targets must be places of extreme signifigence to the terrorists.

And happens after?


164 posted on 07/15/2004 9:08:19 PM PDT by Valin (Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.)
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To: TomGuy

"Ridge claimed that U.S. intelligence believes terrorists already have smuggled into the U.S. actual atomic devices."

Well...so said an anonymous source who claimed Ridge said it. Not real robust documentation, if you get my drift.


And by the way, what is a "former FBI consultant?" Not exactly highest level of credibility at work here.
Sorry but I smell a book-selling scam.


165 posted on 07/15/2004 9:21:09 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Valin
And happens after?

Depends on whether the "moderate" ones take the hint and take care of the others or not. Their call.

What's your method for getting them to stop killing Americans and other innocent people?

166 posted on 07/15/2004 9:21:51 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: El Gato

You might look at what the President is doing. You don't think we went into Iraq by accident do you?

"Depends on whether the "moderate" ones take the hint and take care of the others or not."

Believe it or not there are huge things afoot in the Arabic/Islamic world dealing with just this subject. Unfortunately they really don't make the papers.

All lobbing nukes around will do is let the OBLs of the world say "see we told you so, they really are fighting Islam, they really want to kill you!" And then we really get the religous war some want.

There's a quote I ran across a while back
"It is easy to fly into a passion--anybody can do that--but to be angry with the right person and at the right time and with the right object and in the right way--that is not easy, and it is not everyone who can do it."
-- Aristotle


167 posted on 07/15/2004 9:37:00 PM PDT by Valin (Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.)
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To: El Gato

A small example of what I was talking about
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1172384/posts

Shiite Leadership Clash in Iran, Iraq

July 15, 2004
The Associated Press
Hamza Hendawi

BAGHDAD, Iraq -- For centuries, enmity between Arabs and Persians has shaped much of the Middle East - from the Arab conquests of the 7th century to the Iraq-Iran war of the 1980s.

Now, with Shiites empowered in postwar Iraq, the gloves are off again. But this time, the antagonists are the Shiite ayatollahs of Iraq, a mainly Arab country, and Iran, formerly Persia.

At stake is the leadership of the world's estimated 170 million Shiites - and the outcome will have profound consequences not only for the two nations but the entire Islamic faith.

At the heart of the conflict is a rivalry between the holy cities of Najaf in Iraq and Qom in neighboring Iran.

A victory by Najaf's "quietist" school of thought, which places a cleric's spiritual calling ahead of involvement in politics, could deal a serious blow to the claim of legitimacy by Iran's ruling clergy. It could also provide a counter-ideology to the militant political Islam adopted by some Sunni Muslim groups in the region and which are behind the terrorism of recent years.

Iraq's Shiites have emerged from decades of oppression by a Sunni Arab minority when Saddam Hussein's regime fell 15 months ago. As the majority, they are now poised to dominate the country politically after a general election due in January.

Najaf's senior clerics refuse to be publicly drawn into the Najaf-Qom rivalry, but they don't conceal the nationalist undertones involved.

"It is the Shiites of Iraq who spread the faith in Iran," boasts Mohammed Hussein al-Hakim, son of Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Said Hakim, one of Najaf's four top clerics. "Shiites appeared in Iraq centuries before there were any Shiites in Iran."

Similar sentiments are indirectly reflected by ordinary Iraqis, eyeing with suspicion Shiite political parties known to be closely linked to Iran or created there by politicians who found refuge there during Saddam's 23-year rule.

"For hundreds of years, the Iranians prevented Arabs from assuming the Shiite marjaiyah (top clerics)," laments Qays al-Khaz'ali, an aide of young cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose militant movement has gained much of its popularity because of his repeated boasts of Arab descent and scathing criticism of Iranian-backed politicians and groups.

Iraq is the 7th century birthplace of Shiism, a faith born of a dispute over who succeeds the Prophet Muhammad after his death. It's home to the sect's most revered sites in Najaf and Karbala south of Baghdad and Samarra to the north of the Iraqi capital.

Shiites, however, did not become a majority in Iraq until the 19th century through massive conversions of Arab tribesmen frustrated by the injustices of the Sunni Ottoman rulers.

In Iran, Shiism became the official religion early in the 16th century but Shiites only became a majority in the 1800s. Ideological differences between the two communities always existed, but they were driven farther apart in the 20th century.

During 35 years of Saddam's Baath party rule, Iraq's Shiite majority was brutally oppressed and tens of thousands of Shiites, including clerics, were killed, jailed or deported.

Najaf's senior clerics were targeted. Those who dared to speak out against Saddam were killed. Keeping quiet meant survival, but also diminished influence and empty coffers.

In the meantime, Qom gained pre-eminence and Iran emerged as the world's bastion of Shiism after the 1979 Islamic revolution. It suited Saddam to see Najaf fade into insignificance, but the fall of his regime signaled the city's rebirth and the start of its journey to replace Qom as the world's foremost seat of Shiite learning.

Najaf's seminaries are filled with students again and the city's top clerics are renewing links with followers and loyal clerics across the world. Najaf's independence and energy is a far cry from Qom under the rule of the clergy.

"Qom seminaries have become very politicized," Iranian analyst Mohammad Hosseini said in Tehran. "Qom is the center of Iranian Shiite theology. Najaf is the center of global Shiism."

Reducing Qom to playing second fiddle to Najaf is not a purely religious matter.

Qom cleric and writer Mohammad Javad Akbarein says that unlike those in Najaf, Iran's senior clerics rely on government funds and patronage.

"The Qom seminary wants to remain as a pioneer platform for Shiite Islamic thinking and definitely doesn't want Najaf to take its place," he said.

Ironically the Najaf renewal is led by an elderly, Iranian-born cleric who settled in Iraq more than 50 years ago and is now considered the world's top Shiite authority.

Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Husseini al-Sistani, following in the footsteps of his mentor, the late Abu al-Qasim al-Khoei, belongs to the "quietist" school of thought, whose followers see it as the purist form of Shiism.

In contrast, the principal of "wilayet al-Faqeeh," or "the right of the most learned to rule," serves as the central ideological plank that supports the monopoly on power held by Iran's clergy since the Islamic revolution.

Al-Sistani, however, has influenced Iraq's U.S.-sponsored political process, demanding that a general election be held at the earliest date possible and that a permanent constitution must be written by elected, not selected, delegates. His supporters say such demands don't amount to meddling in politics, arguing that his intervention was much needed at a critical time for Iraq.
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Associated Press reporter Naser Karimi contributed to this report from Tehran, Iran.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAQ_SHIITE_LEADERSHIP?SITE=DCTMS&SECTION=HOME


168 posted on 07/15/2004 9:53:41 PM PDT by Valin (Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.)
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To: Joe Bonforte

5 - "They gain nothing by delay, and nukes don't have an indefinite shelf life."

True. And something many Americans forget - our nukes have a 20 year shelf life, and the last weapon we built (the very last one) was in 1990.

How many do we have left?


169 posted on 07/16/2004 1:22:39 PM PDT by XBob (Free-traitors steal our jobs for their profit.)
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To: XBob
Alright everyone, whilst I feel this whole book is a cheap and unabashed bunch o' crap! And the potential for nuclear terrorism is nil. I will give you a reason why the "ghost" nukes have not been used. First off many of your assertions are just plain hogwash. No offence folks but these back pack nukes where written about in 1995-96 in scientific American. They have been missing for sometime now. And as for satellites tracking their movement. Even Tom Clancy readers know better than that one.
Come on people since when are all of you privy about the half lives of backpack nuclear material. Even PH D's in nuclear science with ssi tsbi clearence cannot give you all the info. These weapons are developed by multiple scientists. Look at nuclear sub's. Now come everyone,even the people who operate them don't know all of the details.
And as for why they have not yet been used. Easily answered. The Muslim fanatics used 9/11 to piss off the US and to "help" Bush have justification for the Iraq invasion. Now I believe Bush was misguided and not the pre Hitler everyone thinks he is! But the invasion of Iraq gives the fanatics fuel to demonstrate that the US is a great satan. And even brings some moderates to their banner. Hence when they use these "supposed"nukes, well they were justified or so most Muslims would see it. 9/11 was pure Islam! No secret mason skull bones conspiracy. And a nuclear 9/11, well I won't scoff at its proponents just yet. You see in 2000 I told my college physics professor "a major terrorist attack would occur in the next 5 years". He scoffed at me and said I just did not understand the capabilities of the US intelligence community.
Well as he said on 9/11, with a pale face and a grim look, "looks like you were right... What do you think will happen next."
Well my response on that day was the same as it is today "I am not sure but I will not discount anything!"
Again the book is crap (have read it!) Its sensationalism. But the premise is a real threat.
170 posted on 07/22/2004 1:08:20 PM PDT by rontheliberalconservative ("Journalism is the slight of hand mixed with a slight mind." rontheliberalconservative)
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To: wagglebee
MAD worked for many years [Mutual Assured Destruction]; however, in this case, it is not a government or country or state that is attacking us... We simply can not 'level' and 'burn' entire countries. This is truly a tough situation-when one's goal is the complete destruction of 'America' - not a change in policy or negotiation... and they are not a government, country or state - we must seek other alternative thinking. Somehow, we must go to win their hearts and minds - somehow we must - maybe - sorry to say as I'll be labeled a traitor of some sort - Change Our View Of the World and Our Role In It. One things we can all agree on - regardless of nationality or religion... the entire world is in a terrible mess - and We Can address these things and literally Change The World For The Better - only the rich will not get rich as quick...and many will lose power...and of course 'they' wouldn't like that...
Even at the cost of continued mayhem....
I Really Don't Know An Answer other than to try and put the fate of the world in the hands of people who genuinely both love and fear God and care more about Good and the world and mankind - than themselves...
Vote, Learn, Write - get involved. Get the whole story and read God's Word - it's all in there.
Peace
171 posted on 07/27/2005 5:59:26 PM PDT by yeswedeliver (we must go to win their hearts and minds)
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To: rontheliberalconservative

""'You see in 2000 I told my college physics professor "a major terrorist attack would occur in the next 5 years". He scoffed at me and said I just did not understand the capabilities of the US intelligence community.""


Well, given WTC in 1993 and Oklahoma City in 1995, you actually think that statement makes you some sort of prophet???? Gee Mr. Wizard, tell us more...


172 posted on 07/27/2005 6:03:20 PM PDT by atlanta67
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To: yeswedeliver
The concept of MAD only works when you are dealing with another nation that places a value on the lives of it's people. As deplorable as the Soviets were, there was never a doubt that the Soviet leadership desired the survival of the Russian people; the same holds true for the Chicoms.

Unfortunately, the jihadists and (more worrisome to me) the North Koreans do not place any value on human life. The jihadists don't care who dies and the North Korean despots don't care if their countrymen die.

In retrospect, and I NEVER thought I would say this, the geo-political world was much simpler when it was America and our allies against the Soviet Bloc. There was at least an open line of communication, we no longer have that with our enemies.

173 posted on 07/27/2005 6:07:10 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Petronski
I don't think it was that Paul Williams.

And I didn't care for his DR. Miggolitto Loveless Jr. portrayal. Only the original will do.

174 posted on 07/27/2005 6:10:14 PM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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