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Creation and the Human Mind
CEM Online ^ | Dr. Carl Edward Baugh & various

Posted on 07/13/2004 8:03:44 PM PDT by Cedar

I. PHYSICAL DIMENSIONS OF THE HUMAN MIND...

"...The conscious brain wherein reside reason, judgment, and memory...plus all other parts of brain, occupy the space of a quart container and weigh a total of about three pounds. Though the three pounds represent a mere 2 percent of the body weight.., the quartful of brain is so metabolically active that it uses 20 percent of the oxygen we take in through our lungs...Of the total of about 50,000 to 100,000 genes in Homo sapiens, some 30,000 code for one or another aspect of the brain.''5

"...The brain is different and immeasurably more complicated than anything else in the known universe." 6

The physical brain is comprised of over 100 billion cells, each with over 50,000 neuron connections to other brain cells.7 This structure receives over 100 million separate signals from the total human body every second, and if we learned something new each of these seconds, it would take 3 million years to exhaust the capacity of the brain. 8

II. CAPABILITIES OF THE HUMAN MIND...

The brain allows the finger to feel vibrations of 8/1000 of an inch... Allows the eye to see 10 million different colors...9 Directs:

(1) Central Nervous System

(2) Peripheral Nervous System

(3) Autonomic Nervous System

The brain supports its own optimal blood flow with the designed mechanism called the "Circle of Willis" at its base. 10

Phenomenal brain function is illustrated in the idiot savant syndrome (damage to the left hemisphere during fetal development results in greater development in the right hemisphere). With these individuals who are mentally retarded, incredible mental feats have been observed:

Jedediah Buxton lived in the 1700's and, as an adult, had a mental age of 10. When asked haw many 1/8ths of an inch existed in an area 23,145,789 yards by 5,642,732 yards by 54,965 yards, he gave the correct 28-digit number, then volunteered to give it backward.

"K" as an adult has a mental age of 11 and a working vecabulary of 58 words. Yet, he can give you the name and population of every US city over 5,000 in population, every county seat in the nation, distances of every town from Chicago to New York, and a list of over 2,000 hotels (with names, locations, and number of rooms).

Leslie Lemke is blind and mentally retarded. Yet, he can play any musical rendition after one hearing, and can play it flawlessly the rest of his life. This includes classical works especially. He once played every note of a 45-minute orchestral rendition after a single exposure.

III. THE MIND'S INFLUENCE ON THE REST OF THE HUMAN BODY...

"We do know that thoughts determine moods, and moods reflect changes in both hormonal activity and immune function."11 "The body heals itself." 12 "The brain controls the immune system the same way it controls behavioral activities.''13 "Scientists discover the links between the brain and your health." 14

IV. THE MIND'S RESPONSE TO THE CREATOR...

"The uniquely human 'consciousness' - variously defined as language, introspection, self-awareness, and abstract thinking eludes scientific measurement.[emphasis added]." 15 "People can actually reason, anticipate consequences and devise plans - all without knowing they are doing so.'' 16 We respond because we want to respond!

1 Psalm 139:14

2 Job 38:36

3 Hebrews 8:10

4 Sherwm B. Nuland, The Wisdom of the Body (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1997) p. 327

5 Ibid., p. 328

6 Richard M. Restak, The Brain: The Last Frontier, 1979, p. 390

7 The Brain, Our Universe Within, PBS Video

8 Wonders of God's Creation, Moody Video Series

9 Paul A. Bartz, Letting God Create Your Day (Minneapolis: Bible Science Association, 1993), Vol. 4, p. 197

10 M.E. Clark, "Safety Mechanism for the Cerebral Circulation," Paley Watches in the Blood Stream

11 David S. Sobel, MD and Robert Ornstein, PhD, The Healthy Mind Healthy Body, (New York: Time Life Medical, 1996), p. 41

12 Sherry Baker, "Internal Medicine," Omni, January 1991, p. 77

13 Rob Wechsler, "A New Prescription: Mind Over Malady," Discover, Feb., 1987, p. 50

14 Newsweek, November 1988, p. 88

15 Joel L. Swerdlow, "Miracles of the Brain," National Geographic, June 1995, p. 133

16 Joseph Weiss, "Unconscious Mental Functioning," Scientific American, Mar. 1990, p.103

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1 posted on 07/13/2004 8:03:44 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: Cedar

Whut?


2 posted on 07/13/2004 8:07:29 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Cedar

interesting.


3 posted on 07/13/2004 8:10:43 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: Cedar
Wha? Doctor Baugh is a medical ecpert now. Who knew?

Carl Baugh's Alleged Credentials

4 posted on 07/13/2004 8:11:09 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (/"Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: Cedar

What about it?


5 posted on 07/13/2004 8:15:47 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: gcruse

This article is just more nonsense, obviously written by people who have been asleep for the past three decades. Cognitive science has been one of the most exciting and talked-about emergent fields of science(in both the academic and popular literature), and evolutionary psychology has, in my mind (no pun intended) offered some of the most convincing explanations for human behaviour and consciousness.


6 posted on 07/13/2004 8:18:19 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Ni Jesus, Ni Marx..OUI REAGAN!)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Personally, I don't know about his credentials. I just thought the facts about the human mind were interesting. And thought others might find it so too.

Most of the facts presented were referenced to other sources.


7 posted on 07/13/2004 8:19:53 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: Oztrich Boy

I know Dr. Baugh personally and have seen the findings that converted him from an atheist, and evolutionist, to a Bible believing Christian and Creationist. A couple of scientists that are affiliated with him were also once evolutionists. Almost immediately after the finding of a human footprint within that of a dinosaur, there was a split among the scintists who discovered the prints. Some refused to believe what was before their eyes and immediately attacked the credintials of those who were willing to say, God forbid, that evolution was wrong. Since then, Carl Baugh has endured attacks by evolutionists saying that he created the prints. Some of these included those who were on the team who discovered them with Baugh.


8 posted on 07/13/2004 8:22:56 PM PDT by AfghanIraqVeteran (IYAAYAS)
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To: RightWingAtheist
This article is just more nonsense, obviously written by people who have been asleep for the past three decades. Cognitive science has been one of the most exciting and talked-about emergent fields of science(in both the academic and popular literature), and evolutionary psychology has, in my mind (no pun intended) offered some of the most convincing explanations for human behaviour and consciousness.

But, then, whatever it be, you would have to think that, given that you're a right wing atheist. It'll be your belief that determines the knowledge available to you, not the knowledge you have that determines your belief.

9 posted on 07/13/2004 8:27:12 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: AfghanIraqVeteran

"I know Dr. Baugh personally and have seen the findings.."

Thanks for clearing things up for us. Nothing like first-hand knowledge! I appreciate your input on this.


10 posted on 07/13/2004 8:30:21 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: Cedar
The physical brain is comprised of over 100 billion cells, each with over 50,000 neuron connections to other brain cells. This structure receives over 100 million separate signals from the total human body every second, and if we learned something new each of these seconds, it would take 3 million years to exhaust the capacity of the brain.

These guys are either bad at science or bad at math. Your pick.

11 posted on 07/13/2004 8:33:06 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: Cedar

It is interesting. But is the mind a creation of the brain? If so what lives on after death? If mind is simply the biological functioning of the brain what is there to perceive the experience of heaven, hell or what have you?


12 posted on 07/13/2004 8:33:56 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: Cedar

I know the guy, but don't necessarily agree with everything he says. I've been to his "Creation Evidence Museum" in Texas. I have actually heard many contradictions to his findings, even by creationists, but sometimes I think he is a little overzealous. He doesn't deserve the attacks that he gets from evolutionists.


13 posted on 07/13/2004 8:38:42 PM PDT by AfghanIraqVeteran (IYAAYAS)
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To: Oztrich Boy

So Baugh joins Laura Callahan in the fake diploma legion.


14 posted on 07/13/2004 8:40:20 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: TigersEye

Since I believe the Bible contains the words of God, I refer to it for answers.

Everyone has a soul, which will live on forever (either with the Lord in heavenly places or without Him, which is hell).

The mind, will, intellect must be part of the soul.


15 posted on 07/13/2004 8:55:30 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: Cedar
Excerpted - click for full article ^

Where???? I click on the link and all I get is a bunch of ads for some seminars.

But what's this article about, Interesting trivia about the brain and then some Bible verses and that's suppose to prove what exactly??

16 posted on 07/13/2004 9:01:31 PM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: Modernman

I guess this is a "huh?" ping.


17 posted on 07/13/2004 9:07:43 PM PDT by BroncosFan (NJ 2005: Schundler for Governor)
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To: Cedar
The mind, will, intellect must be part of the soul.

If there is anything to perceive an experience after death one would certainly call it mind and it must not be dependent on the brain then.

18 posted on 07/13/2004 9:18:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: William Terrell

Yes and no. We do have cognitive blinders which frame how we perceive and interpret knowledge; some of these are hardwired into our brains. But the knowledge we have and obtain also shapes these systems of cognitive framing. As for myself, an attitude of scientific realism and skepticism led to a rejection of the possibility of an infinite creator, but they also led to my conservatism in political and economic affairs.


19 posted on 07/13/2004 9:24:41 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Ni Jesus, Ni Marx..OUI REAGAN!)
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To: William Terrell
It'll be your belief that determines the knowledge available to you,

There's a book called Crack in the Cosmic Egg. that said something similar.
a mode of thinking through which imagination can escape the mundane shell of current construct reality and leap into a new phase of human evolution. 
Of course the failure of alchemy and astrology obliterate the thesis that reality is derived from desire.  Quantum physics and the collapse of probability waves make an interesting counterpoint, but all in all, the idea that reality springs from belief is so easily disproved I'm amazed sentient beings still cling to it.
20 posted on 07/13/2004 9:24:53 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse

Do you really believe that?


21 posted on 07/13/2004 9:31:37 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: TigersEye
The mind is completely dependent on the brain. What we call consciousness is just the interaction of molecules and electrons whithin that mass of tan-grey meat housed in our skulls. The "soul," some essence separate from both the mind and body, is a term which is so nebulously defined, that its scientific worth is utterly nil.
22 posted on 07/13/2004 9:33:40 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Ni Jesus, Ni Marx..OUI REAGAN!)
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To: TigersEye

Do I really believe that reality exists separate from our desires? Why, yes, don't you?


23 posted on 07/13/2004 9:35:43 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse

Judging from the description, I'd say the author was tripping on some bad acid while reading Henri Bergson.


24 posted on 07/13/2004 9:39:27 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Ni Jesus, Ni Marx..OUI REAGAN!)
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To: RightWingAtheist

This was around the time of Magic Realism and Don Costanza or whatever the peyote pirate's name was. Some folks are still there.


25 posted on 07/13/2004 9:42:01 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse

Did you mean Carlos Castenada?


26 posted on 07/13/2004 9:43:14 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Ni Jesus, Ni Marx..OUI REAGAN!)
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To: RightWingAtheist

Yes, thanks.


27 posted on 07/13/2004 9:48:17 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse

You're welcome :-)


28 posted on 07/13/2004 9:49:07 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Ni Jesus, Ni Marx..OUI REAGAN!)
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To: RightWingAtheist
What we call consciousness is just the interaction of molecules and electrons whithin that mass of tan-grey meat housed in our skulls.

That's a nice belief but it can't be proved.

The "soul," some essence separate from both the mind and body, is a term which is so nebulously defined, that its scientific worth is utterly nil.

What does the existence or non-existence of a "soul" have to do with whether the mind survives death of the body? <p.Besides, according to Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary 'soul is associated with emotions' it is 'the vital force of life' (to paraphrase) and 'soul and body may be separated but soul and spirit can only be distinguished.' Sounds like 'mind' to me so if you have your own definition of 'soul' I'd like to hear it or I can't really comment. I have none.

29 posted on 07/13/2004 9:49:44 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: RightWingAtheist
Also, it's my experience that those cognitive barriers occlude the existence of knowledge adverse to the perceiving belief system. The primary process seems to be seeing some parts of a body of knowledge but not seeing, at all, other parts that, if known, would prevent the parts seen from being interpreted as being in harmony with the beliefs.

One ends up with mostly incomplete mosaic of knowledge that supports the belief system, with small pools of incontrovertible fact that one uncomfortably tries to ignore.

As for scientific realism, how often has science changed its realism over the centuries? Shifting sand. Bad place to build a foundation, in my opinion.

30 posted on 07/13/2004 9:52:01 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Cedar; incindiary; HangFire

Was this an original article or did you put it together yourself? Either way... thanks for posting it.

('Cin, HF: Ping.)


31 posted on 07/13/2004 9:52:04 PM PDT by AnnaZ ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." :::Hillar(ed)y!::: 6/28/04)
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To: gcruse
Do I really believe that reality exists separate from our desires? Why, yes, don't you?

No. I prefer to know reality by experience rather than hold to beliefs.

32 posted on 07/13/2004 9:52:17 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: TigersEye

E credo l'uom gioco d'iniqua sorte
dal germe della culla
al verme dell'avel.
Vien dopo tanta irrision la Morte.
E poi? E poi? La Morte è' il Nulla.
È vecchia fola il Ciel.


33 posted on 07/13/2004 9:54:25 PM PDT by drjoe
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To: drjoe

Got Green Card?


34 posted on 07/13/2004 9:57:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: TigersEye
That's a nice belief but it can't be proved.

It is not only provable and verifiable, but is the basis of neuroscience.

according to Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary 'soul is associated with emotions' it is 'the vital force of life' (to paraphrase) and 'soul and body may be separated but soul and spirit can only be distinguished.'

The concept of a soul is to psychology what phlogiston is to chemistry: a pre-scientific explanation of phenomena by imbuing them with an innate essence, that has not held up as we have investigated the facts further. Vitalism has been dead in biology for nearly a century now.

I have none.

Precisely! We are incapable of providing either a constitutional or operational definition of the soul, because we have no way have finding or identifying it, making it the search for it a moot question.

35 posted on 07/13/2004 10:00:02 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Ni Jesus, Ni Marx..OUI REAGAN!)
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To: Cedar

If that is true, why is mental capicity demonstrably linked to biological tissue damage? Why is even moral behavior linked to the same tissue? I remember reading about a fellow who had a railroad spike driven through his skull, who afterwards could not stop himself from cussing or grabbing women inappropriately.


36 posted on 07/13/2004 10:00:57 PM PDT by Melas
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To: RightWingAtheist
It is not only provable and verifiable, but is the basis of neuroscience.

Nonsense! The only thing neuroscience can prove is that the brain functions and its functioning effects the mind. Bodily health effects the mind. Perception, which is infinitely manipulable, effects the mind. What science has verified but won't own up to is that the mind is capable of effecting brain function.

The concept of a soul is to psychology what phlogiston is to chemistry: a pre-scientific explanation of phenomena ...

What phenomena is 'soul' an explanation of?

We are incapable of providing either a constitutional or operational definition of the soul, because we have no way have finding or identifying it, making it the search for it a moot question.

I guess that depends on what your definition of 'soul' is. Any decent exegesis of the Bible will give you several. "The immaterial part of man. - VCED " for one. Like I said it sounds like 'mind' to me. I have no opinion or comment on it. You brought up 'soul', not me.

37 posted on 07/13/2004 10:11:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: TigersEye

From Boito's libreto for Verdi's Otello. Iago is speaking early in Act II and is outlining his philosophy. He says:

"And I believe that man is the plaything of
unjust fate
From the germ of the cradle
To the worrn of the grave.
After so much derision comes Death.
And then? Death is Nothingness
And heaven an old wives' tale.
"

kinda on topic


38 posted on 07/13/2004 10:12:52 PM PDT by drjoe
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To: RightWingAtheist
We are incapable of providing either a constitutional or operational definition of the soul mind, because we have no way have finding or identifying it, making it the search for it a moot question.
39 posted on 07/13/2004 10:15:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: drjoe
It is on topic. And so much more understandable in English. I notice he starts out honestly and declares the statement to come a belief.
40 posted on 07/13/2004 10:19:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: Melas
If that is true, why is mental capicity demonstrably linked to biological tissue damage? Why is even moral behavior linked to the same tissue? I remember reading about a fellow who had a railroad spike driven through his skull, who afterwards could not stop himself from cussing or grabbing women inappropriately.

Good point, I knew someone in a car accident who had a head injury with some damage and he is just not the same person he was before. If we are something "mystical" instead of just chemical reactions why would the accident effect his sole.

Plus how does a sole get drunk or have a bad acid trip?

41 posted on 07/13/2004 10:35:39 PM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: qam1
Good point, I knew someone in a car accident who had a head injury with some damage and he is just not the same person he was before. If we are something "mystical" instead of just chemical reactions why would the accident effect his sole.

Plus how does a sole get drunk or have a bad acid trip?

Exactly! Or if the mind is a reflection of the soul, then why do strokes often times remove inhibitions and alter moral behavior?

42 posted on 07/13/2004 10:45:22 PM PDT by Melas
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To: TigersEye
The only thing neuroscience can prove is that the brain functions and its functioning effects the mind.

And that the mind is dependent upon the brain, and that the activity of the mind is measurable in the brain, etc.

Bodily health effects the mind.

Only to the extent that it affects the brain.

Perception, which is infinitely manipulable, effects the mind.

Only to the extent taht it affects the brain.

What science has verified but won't own up to is that the mind is capable of effecting brain function.

What have you been smoking? Science "owns up to" that just fine. It's a tautology, since the mind *is* brain function.

43 posted on 07/13/2004 10:47:48 PM PDT by Ichneumon ("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
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To: TigersEye
"It is interesting. But is the mind a creation of the brain? If so what lives on after death? If mind is simply the biological functioning of the brain what is there to perceive the experience of heaven, hell or what have you?

Good question. I've always pictured that the physical body is the manifestation of the energy body, with the mind/brain as the interfacing devices between the two. The energy body is invisible and has identity, memory and consciousness apart from the physical body and does not depend on the physical body for survival, though the physical body depends on the energy body for survival, except when factoring in life-support systems. A car/driver kind of a thing.

Difficult to understand, unless you've had a valid out-of-body experience, after which you don't need an explanation.

FWIW, and IMO, the brain processes data inputted from peripheral devices (senses) as well as from memory. The processing includes interrupts for making decisions and choices and/or applying/supplying the information to other processing steps leading to task completion. The realm of time, space and matter, the quantum universe, is the realm of the physical body. Linear time allows events to be separated by distance in order for them to be selected, experienced discretely, examined, understood, judged for their value, and archived in permanent memory.

Life is an eternal series of sub-routines. Sometimes we return to our mainline programming, but not often. It's difficult to feel breezes or smell the roses as an energy body, so we try to keep the bodies together as long as we can ;>

44 posted on 07/13/2004 10:56:43 PM PDT by Eastbound (Just an E.T. collecting samples along the way.)
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To: TigersEye
"No. I prefer to know reality by experience rather than hold to beliefs."

Do you believe others besides yourself have a mind? How do you know that they aren't just pre-programmed robots?

Explain.

45 posted on 07/13/2004 11:06:35 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: Ichneumon
It's a tautology, since the mind *is* brain function.

You can beleive in fairies if you want to. You can't prove what you are saying.

46 posted on 07/13/2004 11:07:17 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: Eastbound
Difficult to understand, unless you've had a valid out-of-body experience, after which you don't need an explanation.

Exactly! For those who haven't ... I guess juggling scientific theories is as good a belief system as any to cling to. Kind of depressing though since theories have to be changed more than a baby on prunes.

47 posted on 07/13/2004 11:11:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: AnnaZ

I got the article from this website:

www.creationevidence.org

(sorry I don't know how to make it a clickable link)


48 posted on 07/13/2004 11:18:09 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: Eastbound
The realm of time, space and matter, the quantum universe, is the realm of the physical body. Linear time allows events to be separated by distance in order for them to be selected, experienced discretely, examined, understood, judged for their value, and archived in permanent memory. Life is an eternal series of sub-routines. Sometimes we return to our mainline programming, but not often. It's difficult to feel breezes or smell the roses as an energy body, so we try to keep the bodies together as long as we can

Now there's a sensible analysis. The brain no doubt is highly involved in the phenomena of 'mind' but brain only accounts for the most base or gross levels of mind. I have no doubt that most of what the brain does in terms of mind does not survive death of the body but then most of what does survive is rarely noticed while mind is attached to a body-with-brain IMO.

49 posted on 07/13/2004 11:19:39 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: Melas

I can't explain all the associated problems that come with physical damage to the brain, but this I know: everyone's spirit will leave their physical body at death, and they will either spend the rest of eternity with the Lord in joy and peace, or without Him in torment.


50 posted on 07/13/2004 11:24:11 PM PDT by Cedar
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