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New Twist On Out-Of-Africa Theory
ABC Science News ^ | 7-14-2004 | Judy Skatssoon

Posted on 07/14/2004 8:53:47 AM PDT by blam

New twist on out-of-Africa theory

Judy Skatssoon
ABC Science Online
Wednesday, 14 July 2004

Homo erectus, the species thought to be the first to leave Africa for Eurasia in the out-of-Africa model of human origin (Image: Science)

Early humans made love, not war, according to new DNA analysis presented at a genetics conference that gives a new twist on the out-of-Africa hypothesis of human origins.

U.S. researcher Professor Alan Templeton of Washington University, St Louis, debunks the prevailing version of the out-of-Africa hypothesis, which says early humans migrated from Africa and wiped out Eurasian populations.

Instead, they bred, he told the Genetics Society of Australia's annual conference in Melbourne this week.

Templeton said his evidence didn't support the so-called replacement theory in which African hominids caused the extinction of other Homo species.

Instead, he said his analysis of the human genome showed prehistoric gene-swapping created a single evolutionary lineage beginning in Africa and ending where we are today.

He looked at mitochondrial DNA, as well as DNA on a range of chromosomes including X and Y.

"The genetic legacy of current humans is predominantly of African origin," he said.

Templeton is the first to suggest expansion out of Africa occurred in three waves: 2 million years ago, 800,000 years ago and 100,000 years ago.

The alternative view suggests that expansion out of Africa occurred twice and caused the genetic extinction of existing populations, with the colonisers later diversifying into separate races.

What about races?

But Templeton said this extinction never happened and a combination of movement and interbreeding meant diversification of races didn't occur.

"We really have to abandon the idea of race. It actually does not reflect the genetic differences we can now measure in an objective fashion."

Templeton said the differences between human populations today were based on geography not genetics.

This meant a Norwegian would be more closely related than a Fijian to someone from sub-Saharan Africa.

"We do see differences in different regions of the world but the best indicator of those differences is simply geographical distance and not things like skin colour."

Templeton said his data was inconclusive on whether interbreeding also occurred with Neanderthals.

But he said there was fossil evidence that this probably occurred, which would imply a bit of Neanderthal could live on in us all.

Australian geneticist Associate Professor Philip Batterham from the University of Melbourne said the research showed humanity was far more closely related that previously thought and that race was a cultural phenomenon.

Templeton's research was published in the journal Nature in March 2002.


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KEYWORDS: africa; archaeology; crevolist; economic; genetics; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; multiregionalism; neandertal; new; out; theory; twist
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This is more in line with my thoughts on this subject.
1 posted on 07/14/2004 8:53:48 AM PDT by blam
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To: FairOpinion

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 07/14/2004 8:54:18 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

I am full blooded Neanderthal.


3 posted on 07/14/2004 8:58:28 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Kerry has a Carter Plan. Bush has a Reagan Plan. You choose which is your plan.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
I am a right-wing, reactionary, knuckle dragging, gun-toting, hirsute Neanderthal and proud of it.
4 posted on 07/14/2004 9:02:38 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: blam

"The genetic legacy of current humans is predominantly of African origin,"

Where are my reparations?


5 posted on 07/14/2004 9:02:42 AM PDT by ConservativeOrBust
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To: blam
Templeton is the first to suggest expansion out of Africa occurred in three waves: 2 million years ago, 800,000 years ago and 100,000 years ago.

If there was some disaster ~80,000 ya which decreased the Homo Sapiens to 5,000-10,000 individuals how can genetic studies of earlier populations be made?

6 posted on 07/14/2004 9:03:00 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.)
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To: blam

Homo erectus

-hahahaha (ya so I am childish, sue me)


7 posted on 07/14/2004 9:03:50 AM PDT by goldwaterlives
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To: PatrickHenry; VadeRetro; RadioAstronomer; Ichneumon

Ping-a-ling.


8 posted on 07/14/2004 9:05:46 AM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: blam

I really dislike this type of idle speculation being tossed out into the open. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big believer in the ToE and such, but this type of pseudo-guessing simply lends credence to those who claim that the ToE is so fluid that it's utterly worthless. This, in my opinion, is the result of mixing the science behind the ToE with the pseudo-science of archaeology. I think that's a pretty risky thing to do, as it can lead us off into a dozen wrong directions at once, and distract us from the pure science that's helped us come this far in our understanding of our origins.


9 posted on 07/14/2004 9:07:03 AM PDT by NJ_gent
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To: blam
"Templeton said the differences between human populations today were based on geography not genetics."

"Australian geneticist Associate Professor Philip Batterham from the University of Melbourne said the research showed humanity was far more closely related that previously thought and that race was a cultural phenomenon.

Once again, political correctness corrupts science. Race is unquestionably based on genetics. Note that any time there is marriage between Negroid and Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Caucasoid, and any other combination, that the resulting offspring DO follow Mendel's laws of genetics.

10 posted on 07/14/2004 9:09:09 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Mike Darancette
"If there was some disaster ~80,000 ya which decreased the Homo Sapiens to 5,000-10,000 individuals how can genetic studies of earlier populations be made?

That was the Toba super volcano 75,000 years ago. The human survival numbers I see are usually 2,000-5,000 worldwide.

11 posted on 07/14/2004 9:14:22 AM PDT by blam
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Physicist; LogicWings; Doctor Stochastic; ..
Evolution Ping! This list is for the evolution side of evolution threads, and maybe other science topics like cosmology.
See the list's description in my freeper homepage. Then FReepmail me to be added or dropped.

(One of the few times I've used my list on a Blam thread.)

12 posted on 07/14/2004 9:14:40 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (#26,303, registered since the 20th Century, never suspended, over 184 threads posted.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

How's that?


13 posted on 07/14/2004 9:15:34 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: Wonder Warthog

Race IS a cultural phenomena. Race is all about politics. Living in the US you would notice this.


14 posted on 07/14/2004 9:17:23 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: Little Ray

We may be related. Do you drink beer?


15 posted on 07/14/2004 9:23:53 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Kerry has a Carter Plan. Bush has a Reagan Plan. You choose which is your plan.)
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To: Little Ray
I have many but this is my newest.


16 posted on 07/14/2004 9:26:19 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Kerry has a Carter Plan. Bush has a Reagan Plan. You choose which is your plan.)
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To: goldwaterlives
"Tell me something, if homo sapiens really were homo sapiens, how come they're not extinct?"
17 posted on 07/14/2004 9:26:21 AM PDT by NYFriend
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To: Conspiracy Guy

18 posted on 07/14/2004 9:26:30 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: blam

This certainly makes more sense of some of the DNA data that has been reported than does the wave of killers theory that had been dominant to date.


19 posted on 07/14/2004 9:27:45 AM PDT by JimSEA ( "More Bush, Less Taxes.")
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To: cyborg

Who dat?


20 posted on 07/14/2004 9:30:10 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Kerry has a Carter Plan. Bush has a Reagan Plan. You choose which is your plan.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Once again, political correctness corrupts science. Race is unquestionably based on genetics

The differences we create in terms of race are purely man-made. Do we consider brown horses as a different "race" than spotted horses? The horses certainly see no difference.

21 posted on 07/14/2004 9:31:10 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


22 posted on 07/14/2004 9:37:25 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Wonder Warthog
Once again, political correctness corrupts science. Race is unquestionably based on genetics.

Hair color and eye color are also genetic. But we don't separate brunettes, blondes and red-heads into separate "races". But we do separate on the basis of how flat noses are, round eyes are and by skin color.

23 posted on 07/14/2004 9:42:20 AM PDT by megatherium
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To: Conspiracy Guy

AMT,Astra,Browning,Colt........Savage,Tikka, Winchester..I like being literate and collect the "alphabet"...


24 posted on 07/14/2004 9:43:27 AM PDT by litehaus
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To: megatherium

What would a sloth know about race?


25 posted on 07/14/2004 9:44:39 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Kerry has a Carter Plan. Bush has a Reagan Plan. You choose which is your plan.)
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To: litehaus

Browning A-Bolt 270 Composite Stock with Leupold Goldring 3X10 50mm Objective lens scope. Is my favorite hunting rifle. Got a lot of stuff in between the Browning and the Ruger.


26 posted on 07/14/2004 9:50:58 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Kerry has a Carter Plan. Bush has a Reagan Plan. You choose which is your plan.)
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To: NJ_gent

i agree with you, how can race (used scientifically) be disgarded. bone structures are easily identifiable, seems to me to be just more drivel from pseudo-intellectuals.


27 posted on 07/14/2004 10:00:59 AM PDT by Docbarleypop (Navy Doc)
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To: cyborg
Race IS a cultural phenomenon. Race is all about politics.

That is a difficult truth to tell - Post of the Day nominee!

28 posted on 07/14/2004 10:04:29 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: blam

So they moved into another area, and outbred the local population into extinction? Sounds like what Africans, Mexicans, and Muslims are doing today to Europe and America. Interesting.


29 posted on 07/14/2004 10:04:50 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: blam

Many scholars of the Bible think there are at least two creations of man, the sixth day man, made from gray dust, told to hunt, gather, and have dominion, and the creation of "Adam" sometime after the Sabbath rest, whose name means "red earth", able to blush, whose different command from God was to farm or till the earth.

They feel that in relating the story of Adam and the Garden of Eden, God is not rehashing events from the sixth day, but has moved on to a time past the seventh day. Adam is addressed, by God as an individual, not as "them". When Adams son, Cain, slew his brother, he fled to the surrounding towns inhabited by the sixth day creation of man.

It makes sense and answers questions about how Cain could flee to an inhabited town and marry into that community, when the number of children of Adam and Eve are to that point, only two.

I have noticed that at the end of knowledge, as more is known, the findings always come to conform with the Bible, as with the new knowledge that living things are a result of several spontaneous appearances of several different species, as opposed to all developing from the same single cell organism as was promoted by evolution.

Genesis 6, even relates an attempt by Satan to pollute the human bloodline that Christ would be born in the flesh through, by the marriage of human women to supernatural angels.
Some attempt to say that the "sons of God" were the elite of the community, but that does not jive with all the other references to the "son's of God" in the Old Testament.

So there is still alot to be learned in my opinion.


30 posted on 07/14/2004 10:23:59 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Conspiracy Guy

'Fraid not. Total addict to sugar and caffine (best administed using Mountain Dew...).


31 posted on 07/14/2004 10:50:28 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: blam
"We really have to abandon the idea of race. It actually does not reflect the genetic differences we can now measure in an objective fashion."

This guy's out of date. Genes for racial characteristics have already been identified.

32 posted on 07/14/2004 10:58:49 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: blam

I should've said that he was probably quoted out of context.


33 posted on 07/14/2004 11:00:58 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Little Ray

Not a sugar consumer myself. We must be from different caves. Good to know you anyway.


34 posted on 07/14/2004 11:03:02 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Kerry has a Carter Plan. Bush has a Reagan Plan. You choose which is your plan.)
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To: megatherium

That's because skin color breeds true. Eye color doesn't.


35 posted on 07/14/2004 11:03:52 AM PDT by frgoff
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To: Modernman

With horses, dogs, cats, etc. we call them breeds because their offspring maintain those characteristics.

So, we actually do have various "races" of horses, some highly prized, such as the Arabian and Morgan.


36 posted on 07/14/2004 11:05:34 AM PDT by frgoff
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To: headsonpikes

Tell the black man who has sickle cell anemia that the 20 times greater risk he had of getting the disease was just a political construct.

Tell the Jewish couple whose child has Tay-Sacks the fact the disease only occurs in Jews is a political construct.


37 posted on 07/14/2004 11:08:03 AM PDT by frgoff
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To: Docbarleypop
i agree with you, how can race (used scientifically) be disgarded

Race, AFAIK, is not used scientifically, at least not by biologists. Race is only relevant because culture and politics have made it relevant.

bone structures are easily identifiable

Good luck determining someone's race by looking at their skeleton.

38 posted on 07/14/2004 11:08:46 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: MissAmericanPie

What a bizarre interpretation of scripture.


39 posted on 07/14/2004 11:09:18 AM PDT by frgoff
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To: Conspiracy Guy
I am full blooded Neanderthal.

Does a single tear appear on your face when you see a car drive by that was littering?

40 posted on 07/14/2004 11:10:33 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: frgoff
That's because skin color breeds true. Eye color doesn't.

Look around you in America today at the various shades of skin color, from transluscent white to pitch-black and everything in between. Skin color gets more easily mixed than eye color.

41 posted on 07/14/2004 11:12:07 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: Modernman

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Race, AFAIK, is not used scientifically, at least not by biologists.
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This is simply not true. Many genetic diseases target specific races. Sickle Cell Anemia and Tay-Sachs to name two (Blacks and Jews, respectively).


42 posted on 07/14/2004 11:12:15 AM PDT by frgoff
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To: frgoff
So, we actually do have various "races" of horses, some highly prized, such as the Arabian and Morgan.

The horses don't care, though. The only reason we care about what race people are is because there are political reasons involved.

43 posted on 07/14/2004 11:13:24 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: Modernman

Two blacks marry, their child will be black. Two green-eyed people married, and you have no idea what color the children's eyes will be.

A white and a black marry, and the child will be black.

Next question?

Classification of people into race based on morphological characteristics is right and proper science. Treating humans differently because of those classifications is racism. Don't confuse the two.


44 posted on 07/14/2004 11:15:05 AM PDT by frgoff
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To: Modernman

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The only reason we care about what race people are is because there are political reasons involved.
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See my posts on genetic diseases.


45 posted on 07/14/2004 11:16:08 AM PDT by frgoff
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To: frgoff
That's because skin color breeds true. Eye color doesn't.

I see your point, but I can't resist giving a biology lesson here. (This stuff fascinates me.)

There are several different genes controlling eye color; some are dominant and some are recessive. You get one gene from your mother and one gene from your father. Call the brown-eye gene B and the blue-eye gene b. Suppose both your parents have the combination Bb, i.e., a brown-eye gene and a blue-eye gene. Now brown-eye is dominant and blue-eye is recessive. So if your genetype is Bb, you have brown eyes. So look at the child of these parents. There are four equally-likely outcomes: BB, Bb, bB and bb. The first three outcomes result in brown eyes; but the last outcome gives you blue eyes. So two brown-eyed parents can have a blue-eyed child. Now, to my point: Suppose both parents have the genotype bb. Then the child is guaranteed to have genotype bb. So two blue-eyed parents will "breed true" in producing only blue-eyed children. (Of course, the truth of the matter is more complicated, since there are other eye colors running around that might be recessive to blue.)

The really curious story about genetics and color concerns calico cats. It turns out they don't breed true. To obtain a calico cat, you must combine the "tabby" gene with the gene for black hair. But both of these genes occur on the X chromosome, so to get both, the cat must be female. (Females have two X chromosomes but males are XY.) So all calico cats are female. But not really -- one in every 3500 calicos is male. Turns out that such cats have genotype XXY, they have an extra X.

46 posted on 07/14/2004 11:25:08 AM PDT by megatherium
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To: MissAmericanPie
I suppose you are not deterred by the lack of explicit mention of a second creation in the Bible, or the fact that your theory is made rubbish by genetic studies -- you feel free to believe whatever fantasies you want, regardless of the lack of evidence.
47 posted on 07/14/2004 11:35:53 AM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: Lazamataz

I told you that guy is Lakota Sioux or a Jewish Guy with a wig.


48 posted on 07/14/2004 11:42:40 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Kerry has a Carter Plan. Bush has a Reagan Plan. You choose which is your plan.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

I think it's a Velociraptor. Very intelligent. Hunt in packs.


49 posted on 07/14/2004 11:44:21 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: frgoff

On the one hand, you have the indisputable fact that non-mutant aberrant traits have to run in families to be passed on at all, and those families have extended families, etc.

On the other hand, you have the pseudo-concept of Race, entailing a host of innate 'differences', as proposed by determinists and positivists of various stripes over the last 150 years or so.

I guess I'm just not as good at connecting the dots as some. To me, the two ideas are as mutually exclusive as say, phlogiston and oxygen.


50 posted on 07/14/2004 11:49:05 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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