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Senate Scuttles Gay Marriage Amendment (Two no-shows. Care to guess?)
AP/ Yahoo ^ | 7/14/04 | David Espo

Posted on 07/14/2004 9:50:28 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar

Edited on 07/14/2004 10:13:18 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON - The Senate dealt an election-year defeat Wednesday to a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, rejecting pleas from President Bush (news - web sites) and fellow conservatives that the measure was needed to safeguard an institution that has flourished for thousands of years.

The vote was 48-50, 12 short of the 60 needed to keep the measure alive.

"I would argue that the future of our country hangs in the balance because the future of marriage hangs in the balance," said Sen. Rick Santorum, a leader in the fight to approve the measure. "Isn't that the ultimate homeland security, standing up and defending marriage?"

But Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle said there was no "urgent need" to amend the Constitution. "Marriage is a sacred union between men and women. That is what the vast majority of Americans believe. It's what virtually all South Dakotans believe. It's what I believe."

"In South Dakota, we've never had a single same sex marriage and we won't have any," he said. "It's prohibited by South Dakota law as it is now in 38 other states. There is no confusion. There is no ambiguity."

Supporters conceded in advance they would fail to win the support needed to advance the measure, and vowed to renew their efforts.

"I don't think it's going away after this vote," Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., said Tuesday on the eve of the test vote. "I think the issue will remain alive," he added.

Whatever its future in Congress, there also were signs that supporters of the amendment intended to use it in the campaign already unfolding.

"The institution of marriage is under fire from extremist groups in Washington, politicians, even judges who have made it clear that they are willing to run over any state law defining marriage," Republican senatorial candidate John Thune says in a radio commercial airing in South Dakota. "They have done it in Massachusetts and they can do it here," adds Thune, who is challenging Daschle for his seat.

"Thune's ad suggests that some are using this amendment more to protect the Republican majority than to protect marriage," said Dan Pfeiffer, a spokesman for Daschle's campaign.

At issue was an amendment providing that marriage within the United States "shall consist only of a man and a woman."

A second sentence said that neither the federal nor any state constitution "shall be construed to require that marriage or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon any union other than the union of a man and a woman." Some critics argue that the effect of that provision would be to ban civil unions, and its inclusion in the amendment complicated efforts by GOP leaders to gain support from wavering Republicans.

Bush urged the Republican-controlled Congress last February to approve a constitutional amendment, saying it was needed to stop judges from changing the definition of the "most enduring human institution."

Bush's fall rival, Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) of Massachusetts, opposes the amendment, as does his vice presidential running mate, Sen. John Edwards (news - web sites) of North Carolina. Both men skipped the vote.

The odds have never favored passage in the current Congress, in part because many Democrats oppose it, but also because numerous conservatives are hesitant to overrule state prerogatives on the issue.

At the same time, Republican strategists contend the issue could present a difficult political choice to Democrats, who could be pulled in one direction by polls showing that a majority of voters oppose gay marriage, and pulled in the other by homosexual voters and social liberals who support it. An Associated Press-Ipsos poll taken in March showed about four in 10 support a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, and half oppose it.

Democrats said that Bush and Republicans were using the issue to distract attention from the war in Iraq (news - web sites) and the economy.

"The issue is not ripe. It is not needed. It's a waste of our time. We should be dealing with other issues," said Sen. Christopher Dodd of Connecticut.

But Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee said a decision by the Massachusetts Supreme Court had thrust the matter upon the Senate. The ruling opened the way for same sex marriages in the state, and Frist predicted the impact would eventually be far broader.

"Same-sex marriage will be exported to all 50 states. The question is no longer whether the Constitution will be amended. The only question is who will amend it and how will it be amended," he added.

He said the choice was "activist judges" on the one hand and lawmakers on the other.

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To: Bob J
The vote was a close 47-50 and your answer is to get rid of the whole party? Wouldn't it be easier to work at defeating the few pubs who voted against it?

That's the catch. You can change any horse but they will A-L-W-A-Y-S find an excuse not to make it happen. We were told that if we had ALL 3 branches of government we would see a conservative agenda. FALSE! But put a liberal 3 branch in place & all he!! liberalism flourishes. How does that happen??? You all are being duped by the elites that control 90% plus of these bastards & they will never allow a conservative agenda to get traction. Guaranteed

41 posted on 07/14/2004 10:07:43 AM PDT by Digger
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To: oceanview

The issue is the remedy-- this amendment. People aren't convinced it's the right remedy. Even Kerry opposes gay marriage, he just opposes amending the Constitution when it's not obvious that such a thing is absolutely necessary.

42 posted on 07/14/2004 10:07:45 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: neverdem
It may be too late this year, but these RINOs can be held to account in the future, especially primaries.

As if the leadership will allow that.

We couldn't even knock out Specter without the powers that be getting involved and stopping us.

43 posted on 07/14/2004 10:08:07 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Good news for the CONSTITUTION!

Oh, yeah. Now wacko judges can keep interpreting it however they want. Great news.

44 posted on 07/14/2004 10:08:27 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: truthandlife
Sickening. Who voted against it?

Agreed!! I will be finding out WHO voted against it and I believe we can expect a uproar of anger towards those senators!! SPLINELESS WONDERS they are!!!!!

45 posted on 07/14/2004 10:08:40 AM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: nickcarraway

"The Republicans can't even win on an issue that 75%-80% of the public agrees on."

I don't think that's fair to the GOP. It's nowhere near 75-80% in the polls...

46 posted on 07/14/2004 10:08:40 AM PDT by Kahonek
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To: truthandlife

Senators who wanted the matter left to the states?

47 posted on 07/14/2004 10:08:48 AM PDT by StoneColdGOP (Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault...)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Good news for the CONSTITUTION!

No, good news for our black robed rulers.

49 posted on 07/14/2004 10:09:35 AM PDT by King Black Robe
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To: B Knotts
And anyone who disagrees will probably get banned.

Oh, go whine and cry elsewhere. I see constant dissension on this forum. The only folks who get banned are the rulebreakers. And I've seen nothing in the rules resembling what you claim.

If it did exist, you'd already be banned and your post erased.

50 posted on 07/14/2004 10:09:44 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero- Pat Tillman)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
There are exactly two realistic choices:

1. Pass this amendment (or one very similar to it)
2. Accept homogamy

There are no other options. The courts will decide if there is no amendment. Anyone who opposes this amendment supports homosexual "marriage."

52 posted on 07/14/2004 10:09:51 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts


53 posted on 07/14/2004 10:10:35 AM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: mewzilla

So go get a new party. Be sure to write now and then so we know you're still doing okay.

54 posted on 07/14/2004 10:10:39 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: StoneColdGOP
Senators who wanted the matter left to the states?

Garbage. That was just cover to play in the mushy middle. The homosexuals are winning the day and the family is under attack.

55 posted on 07/14/2004 10:10:44 AM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: Coop

Why don't you go elsewhere? I was here first. By four days. :-)

56 posted on 07/14/2004 10:11:45 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Kerry does not oppose gay marriage. He just opposes being unpopular on the issue. He didn't even vote for the DOMA. He wants gays to have marriage by another name -- even full federal recognition.

57 posted on 07/14/2004 10:11:46 AM PDT by King Black Robe
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To: 11th Earl of Mar

I had expected it would be worse. We are in better shape than thought. Its NOT over. This is simply Round #1 of a very long fight.

58 posted on 07/14/2004 10:11:50 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: mewzilla
We need a new political party.

No, we just need a new Majority Leader. "Limp Wrist" Frist just 'aint cutting it. Everything was going swell until he allowed debate on the "watered-down" version simultaneously, which led the Dems to change strategy, and alter the focus. Idiot.

59 posted on 07/14/2004 10:11:51 AM PDT by montag813 ("A nation can survive fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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To: B Knotts

Homogamy? I like that as a term for it. Up to this point I've been calling it matrihomony!

60 posted on 07/14/2004 10:11:55 AM PDT by GeorgeBerryman
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