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Just say no to driver's licenses for illegal aliens
North County Times ^ | June 14, 2004 | Mark Wyland

Posted on 07/14/2004 4:11:38 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Last year, liberals who dominate the state Legislature passed a bill giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens. This bill was signed into law by then Gov. Gray Davis, who was facing a recall election. The public was outraged. Republican candidates for governor promised to roll back the illegal driver's license bill if one of them were to be elected governor.

In the wake of the recall election, the new governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, made it clear that he intended to live up to his campaign pledge.

Shell-shocked by the recall election results, and a gathering referendum drive to repeal the law, legislative liberals feared additional public outrage over the illegal driver's license issue. They agreed to cooperate with Republican members and roll back the law. However, they pledged to bring the issue up again in the future.

Now the liberals and illegal alien advocates are at it again. The latest illegal alien driver's license bill has been described as a requirement before liberals will vote for a budget, and touted as a "sensible and pragmatic" solution to the problem of illegal immigrants driving without licenses.

Nothing could be further from the truth. It is neither "sensible" nor "pragmatic" to issue driver's licenses to individuals who have broken our nation's laws by illegally entering California. One of the so-called "sensible" measures in this legislation is a requirement that an illegal alien applying for a California driver's license admit to being here illegally. One would think that this admission of illegal status would be enough to deport the illegal alien, but instead it rewards him with California's official identification.

One suggested provision prohibits the Department of Motor Vehicles and the Department of Justice from sharing information on these illegal aliens with other law enforcement agencies. We are at war with an enemy who has used our lax identification procedures to murder innocent Americans, but this bill would instead bend over backward to make sure the privacy (and background) of illegal aliens being issued our main identification document is protected.

There is another, more rational way to solve the problem of illegal aliens on our roads and freeways. If a driver is determined by law enforcement to be an illegal alien, the Immigration and Naturalization Service should be immediately contacted and the individual deported. The long-term solution to this problem is to exercise real control over our borders to stop the flow of illegal immigrants. In the meantime, we should not give in to the pressure of granting licenses to those here illegally.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; cedillo; driverslicenses; gilcedillo; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; sb1160
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1 posted on 07/14/2004 4:11:38 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Just say no to driver's licenses for illegal aliens

The fact that this is even treated like a legitimate issue by our elected officials tells me that America is going insane.

2 posted on 07/14/2004 4:18:15 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (Unite)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Unbelievable!

But then again, common sense never registers with liberals.
Never a part of who liberals are. Moving the ball forever forward, advancing the cause, the outcome, is the mindset of these ilk.


3 posted on 07/14/2004 4:24:23 PM PDT by BluSky (“Don’t make me come down there.”)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

From this and other posts the North County Times sure has a lot of cajones!!!


4 posted on 07/14/2004 4:25:31 PM PDT by mkj6080
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To: He Rides A White Horse

Illegal aliens should be deported right away. They are all criminals, many of the worst kind. I agree there should not even be a discussion of dirver's licenses for them. The answer is a clear NO.


5 posted on 07/14/2004 4:26:21 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Why how dare you oppose giving licenses to hard working migrants in the Americas, you isolationist, restrictionist, nativist, meanie!

don't you know we must worship whatever Arnie does? He DOES have an R after his name, after all. what's wrong with you? are you some sort of an extremist?

;-)
(hee hee. sorry just thought i'd get that out of the way before someone else got a chance to post it.)

All hail the R party! :-)


Party Before Principle®

6 posted on 07/14/2004 4:27:06 PM PDT by MindFire
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To: Tailgunner Joe; He Rides A White Horse
Have no fear, if by some freak occurrence the drivers license for illegals bill should pass and Ahnold should sign the bill; we are prepared to start a petition drive for a referendum to reverse the law and before the ink dries on the bill we will have a recall petition for our dear governor at the printer's!!! We recalled one moronic governor, we can recall another one!

Those of us who live, work & pay taxes in CA have learned that we are going to have to run this state by referendum and recall since the morons in Sacramento appear to have not gotten the message yet!!!
7 posted on 07/14/2004 4:27:58 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

With the way Arnold is really struggling with the budget, he has shown the backbone of a snail, I hope he does not get rolled on the Drivers license too.

Remember the Demos want some Republicans to vote for this so it can pass with 2/3s majority and be immune from a petition to revoke the law. Keep the pressure up on wobbly Republicans.


8 posted on 07/14/2004 4:28:42 PM PDT by mkj6080
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To: MindFire
Party Before Principle®

LOL

Why how dare you oppose giving licenses to hard working migrants in the Americas, you isolationist, restrictionist, nativist, meanie!

You forgot jingoistic, xenophobic, racist pig.

9 posted on 07/14/2004 4:31:03 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: He Rides A White Horse

What is it with California anyway????


10 posted on 07/14/2004 4:33:20 PM PDT by ar15girl
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To: *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; B4Ranch; ..

ping


11 posted on 07/14/2004 4:36:12 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: kellynla
And who would you suggest run against him? I don't think I'd support a recall of Arnie on this issue. The foremost reason being because he never SAID he opposed licenses for illegals. He was clear all along, as i'm sure you know, that he only opposed the specifics of SB60 and Cedillos newest bill. in theory he has never been against rewarding illegal aliens - not just with licenses, but in many different ways.. education, etc.

As much as I oppose this RINO, i have to admit he did not lie to the people on this issue. The mesmerized sheep who voted for this clearly leftist fraud deserve exactly what they get. Bush/Kerry has pledged to sign FTAA is January anyway, so this license is the least of our worries.

12 posted on 07/14/2004 4:37:42 PM PDT by MindFire
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To: Tailgunner Joe; calcowgirl; Amerigomag; SierraWasp; RonDog; CounterCounterCulture; ambrose; ...
The latest illegal alien driver's license bill has been described as a requirement before liberals will vote for a budget, and touted as a "sensible and pragmatic" solution to the problem of illegal immigrants driving without licenses.

Check.

13 posted on 07/14/2004 4:44:14 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly gutless.)
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To: BluSky
But then again, common sense never registers with liberals.

It's not only the liberals at work. Most of the conservatives are afraid to speak up because they're afraid they'll lose votes... Arnold is supposed to be a conservative, but it appears that he's caving in to the hispanic lobby.

14 posted on 07/14/2004 4:45:17 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: ar15girl
What is it with California anyway????

It is no longer California, it is now Mexifornia.

15 posted on 07/14/2004 4:47:16 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Tailgunner Joe
If a driver is determined by law enforcement to be an illegal alien, the Immigration and Naturalization Service should be immediately contacted and the individual deported.

Not only deported, but deported ON FOOT.

16 posted on 07/14/2004 4:48:27 PM PDT by ZOOKER (Theresa or Edwards? Which is the true beard?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

UnFriggenBelievable!


17 posted on 07/14/2004 4:48:47 PM PDT by Arpege92 (Moore is so fat that when he hauls a$$ it takes two trips - tractorman!)
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To: MindFire
As much as I oppose this RINO, i have to admit he did not lie to the people on this issue.

You have a mighty low threshold for what you call a lie.

Arnold knew damned well that when he said he would repeal SB60 the general public believed that he was against drivers' licenses for illegals. He also knew he would not have been elected had he made that distinction clear. Thus he chose those words in order to promulgate a false public impression.

That's not only dishonest, it's the worst kind of conniving lie, one created and repeated with malice, premeditation, and a pre-planned excuse.

18 posted on 07/14/2004 4:49:29 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly gutless.)
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To: ar15girl
What is it with California anyway????

If memory serves, California would be the 14th state to grant licenses to illegals. (AK, CT, ID, LA, MT, NV, NM, NC, RI, TN, UT, WA, WV)

What's up with these states?

19 posted on 07/14/2004 4:58:11 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: ar15girl
What is it with California anyway????

Other states already have licenses for illegals, California just gets more recognition because it's the state everyone loves to hate...Even some self loathing types who actually live here.

20 posted on 07/14/2004 5:00:47 PM PDT by lewislynn (Why do the same people who think "free trade" is the answer also want less foreign oil dependence?)
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To: ar15girl
What is it with California anyway????

Posted too fast.

Seven of the 19 9/11 hijackers had licenses issued by Virginia which did not require proof of identity in order to obtain an official state document.

Now the Republican party wants to extend this to California and is doing all it can to squash any republican who opposes this policy.

Care to guess whose policy this is? (Hint: He wants to grant amnesty to the illegals already here)

21 posted on 07/14/2004 5:02:04 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: janetgreen

here in Minnesota, we like to be thought of as as hip and cool as California,we had this, too. Hopefully CA will defeat this. Whatever dumb stuff they do, we try next.
You may be Mexifornia, we're Solmaliasota and if you read
the news lately, the favorite visiting place for terror
suspects.Land of 10,000 Lakes, 10,000 taxes and even more
terror suspects.


22 posted on 07/14/2004 5:03:14 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (MOLON LABE!)
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To: truthkeeper

rino ping


23 posted on 07/14/2004 5:03:29 PM PDT by novacation
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To: He Rides A White Horse; Tailgunner Joe; Sabertooth; B4Ranch

<< The fact that this is even treated like a legitimate issue by our elected officials tells me that America is going insane. >>

What's this "going" stuff, Paleface?

Best ones -- B A


24 posted on 07/14/2004 5:05:25 PM PDT by Brian Allen (Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16 -- So mote it be!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Just say no to driver's licenses for illegal aliens"

Now is that just say no to the semi real drivers license that will probrably be gotten under a false name. Or is that just say no to the first second or third license under name number one. Or is that just say no to the other drivers licenses that are under name two thre and four?

25 posted on 07/14/2004 5:07:37 PM PDT by jetson
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To: Carry_Okie
"Check."

Anybody in their "right mind" must know the Demonicrat dominated legislature has had a deliberate strategery for putting their vice grip pliers on this bragidocio brawny brayer's short hairs... Checkmate!!!

They've been workin overtime to make him play the fool, so as to terminate the Terminator and swat this buzzing fly that dares challenge their domain... Flyspec!!!

Just to be certain of a clean break of his star power... they been hangin flypaper all over the Crapitol... Bzzzzzzzzt!!! Your time is UP!!!

Heck! They don't even need Kryptonite... He'll fly right into the flypaper tryin to get closer to their point of view and dealin with 'em!!!

26 posted on 07/14/2004 5:09:31 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Keep whores out of the Whitehouse! Don't elect a couple of "Johns"!!!)
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To: DumpsterDiver

Damn, my tagline is gonna have to grow again...


27 posted on 07/14/2004 5:10:01 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Damn, my tagline is gonna have to grow again...

Just make sure to keep "cucaracha" in the tagline. It adds an air of distinction.

28 posted on 07/14/2004 5:19:38 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Rakkasan1
we're Somaliasota

Didn't know that! My liberal brother lives there, but he hasn't mentioned it. I guess he thinks diversity is great. (I love him, but we don't agree on much...)

29 posted on 07/14/2004 5:21:36 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Carry_Okie
I agree with you, that he was deceptive. But it was extremely clear where Arnie stood on this and other issues. Anyone who chose not to see the truth was simply kidding themselves. It was very clear all along that he didn't oppose this- At least it was to me and other McClintock supporters. The fact that people don't read, or that they believed the propaganda, is their own foolish fault. Don't you see what I mean?

I personally asked Beevis Kobylt of KFI why he thinks Arnie opposed the referendum of SB60. (while saveourlicense was still gathering signatures for it). He acted like he didn't understand the question, matter of fact he replied "SB60?" I have this on video. "yes, SB60. The bill that will give licenses to illegals. why do you think Arnie doesn't suport the referendum? Meanwhile heckyl and jeckyl started bashing mcclintock and pushing their muscled hero as 'the only chance', lol.

There are two words for this: Unspeakable idiocy.

Why would any conservative oppose that referendum?? The ONLY reason he opposed it is because a referendum would have stopped all political momentum for 'illegal licenses'. Arnie opposed the referendum because he planned on bringing this back in another form and passing it. Carry, we knew it all along; it was so utterly obvious. All we got in reply was 'that's not true! He doesn't support it! and Tom can't win! We can't let Cruz win!'

Why couldn't they have tried to perhaps, read some of the library of Arnie's own words on this issue? TRUST ME it was so painfully obviously to anyone who was not either woefully, purposefully uninformed or in denial.

My point is that voters who are lazy and purposely refuse to educate themselves, deserve the blame on this.

30 posted on 07/14/2004 5:28:25 PM PDT by MindFire
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To: MindFire
And who would you suggest run against him?
hmmmmm...Condi Rice comes to mind...
31 posted on 07/14/2004 5:35:02 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: Carry_Okie
>>>a requirement before liberals will vote for a budget

Check.

#$~@%  *%&#$*($   %^#@`*!!!!

32 posted on 07/14/2004 5:42:42 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: Carry_Okie
Matter of fact, you can look up the archives of my posts to see i outlined all of this prior to the election. That's actually how I found this website; i was doing some research on "Arnie" and found a post on a website called 'FreeRepublic' with a bunch of people bickering over 'Arnold vs McClintock'. I had never even heard of this site before, but i found it interesting and so I signed up and joined in the fray.

You simply cannot claim that people were not told. they WERE told, endlessly; and purposely chose to ignore the truth.

An aside, I must say that I personally don't have any respect for people who whould vote for a person with Schwarzeneggers beliefs. I think he represents a worldview that is amoral and disgusting.: abortion, stem cell research cloning, homo-unions, socialism, open-border etc etc etc. As a Catholic i would never vote for anyone like this, and i outlined this message, along with record & his true statements, loud and clear, for months before the election.. both to individuals and in the media. It was actually very easy to get media coverage on this and despite the outcome, I did my part to get coverage and was successful in my attempts. Washington Post, LATimes, OCRegister, KNBC4, KFI, KLOS, KABC, KBRT

33 posted on 07/14/2004 5:42:46 PM PDT by MindFire
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To: kellynla

i think she's busy? ;-) Besides, she'd probably support SB1160, too. lol


34 posted on 07/14/2004 5:44:18 PM PDT by MindFire
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To: MindFire
But it was extremely clear where Arnie stood on this and other issues.

You give the average distracted voter too much credit.

Anyone who chose not to see the truth was simply kidding themselves.

They didn't need help though.

It was very clear all along that he didn't oppose this- At least it was to me and other McClintock supporters.

Of course it was, but it didn't make it easy dealing with the Arndroids because he had offered them deniability. They kept shrieking about how Arnold was against licenses for criminal aliens citing his stand on SB60. Some even cited his negotiations with Cedillo as a cynical ruse, playing Cedillo as a chump. That ambiguity was very valuable to Arnold going in to the recall election.

There are two words for this: Unspeakable idiocy.

How about self-delusion, wishful thinking, or blind loyalty?

All we got in reply was 'that's not true! He doesn't support it! and Tom can't win! We can't let Cruz win!'

Don't I know it.

Here is the last poll before the recall by USA Today/CNN/GALLUP.

"If the choice were between Cruz Bustamante, the Democrat and Tom McClintock, the Republican, who would you be more likely to vote for: Cruz Bustamante or Tom McClintock?"

September 25-27
Registered Voters

McClintock 49%
Bustamante 42%

Probable Voters

McClintock 56%
Bustamante 37%

TRUST ME it was so painfully obviously to anyone who was not either woefully, purposefully uninformed or in denial.

All twelve percent of us. There are enough Republicans, desperate enough to win at any cost and totally lacking any faith in their own principles, to lead the charge down the primrose path Arnold led them cutting down anyone in their way at the knees. Think FairOpinion or Southack.

My point is that voters who are lazy and purposely refuse to educate themselves, deserve the blame on this.

We disagree. Some of them are blatantly dishonest spin artists beholden to the corporate RINOs who don't give a crap what happens as a consequence. Unless we hold public and Party offals to a higher standard of honesty we won't get what we demand. Arnold needs to be roasted for this and the GOP leadership with him.

35 posted on 07/14/2004 5:49:05 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly gutless.)
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To: MindFire
You simply cannot claim that people were not told. they WERE told, endlessly; and purposely chose to ignore the truth.

I did a lot of the telling if you will recall, but what fraction of the voting public reads FR? No, the GOP staff of the various office-holders who eventually caved to Arnold DID come here and easily saw that conservatives could either be duped into supporting Arnold or simply shouted down. There are a lot of posters here who are far more accountable for this mess than they realize. Some of them are paid staff.

36 posted on 07/14/2004 5:52:41 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly gutless.)
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To: Carry_Okie; MindFire
>>Arnold knew damned well that when he said he would repeal SB60 the general public believed that he was against drivers' licenses for illegals.

And... in all the short interviews (most of them), he simply said he was against the existing law. He was rarely pressed for details... and when forced to elaborate he was vague, generally citing "security" issues. Those interviews got the biggest audiences (e.g. Hannity). Here's a snip from a newsmax summary of his Hannity interview:

Affirmative action was the one issue where Schwarzenegger was vague, telling the conservative host that "we have not gotten into" it. "I'm fleshing it out right now and having meetings about that," he explained.

On drivers licenses for illegal aliens, Schwarzenegger said, "I vote no on that."

On general services for illegal aliens, he explained, "That's a complicated issue because what we have to do is find a way of including them . . . This is an issue that is with the federal government because the governor has nothing really - much power with those things."

But in the next breath Schwarzenegger suggested that solving the illegal immigration problem would be a priority for him as governor.

"One thing we know is we have to deal with [illegal immigration]," he told Hannity, explaining that one of his goals as governor would be "to really work those things out and come up with a solution once and for all."


37 posted on 07/14/2004 5:53:11 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
Check.

I'm referring to our chess-playing governatrix.

38 posted on 07/14/2004 5:54:00 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly gutless.)
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To: calcowgirl
Or would that be "chest-playing governatrix"?

I get so confused!

39 posted on 07/14/2004 6:01:09 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly gutless.)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
The fact that this is even treated like a legitimate issue by our elected officials tells me that America is going insane.

They are insane, and we'll contribute to it as little as possible. And everytime they trip, we'll be there to make sure they fall.

40 posted on 07/14/2004 7:09:22 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf ( failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: kellynla
we are prepared to start a petition drive for a referendum to reverse the law and before the ink dries on the bill we will have a recall petition for our dear governor at the printer's!!! We recalled one moronic governor, we can recall another one!

You bet. Last time we personally collected about 200 signatures. I'll be more then happy to do the same. Start beating the drums....

41 posted on 07/14/2004 7:12:21 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf ( failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

bump


42 posted on 07/14/2004 7:14:09 PM PDT by Lady Eileen
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To: ar15girl
What is it with California anyway????

Land of 'fruits and nuts'........

43 posted on 07/14/2004 7:21:17 PM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
You can take Tennessee off the list, as our legislators compromised to give illegals driving certificates plainly marked "NOT VALID FOR ID PURPOSES". It accomplishes what their advocates literally asked for (legal permission to drive) without giving the aliens what they really wanted: the trappings of citizenship. You should hear the wailing and see the gnashing of teeth!

California could do this, but they've apparently decided to hold the budget for ransom (how Mexican).

44 posted on 07/14/2004 8:07:26 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: kellynla
Good luck to you. But this drive to license illegals is not a plea for safety. This is a way of registering illegal aliens to vote. There's no two ways about it.

The federal government requires that every person who registers for a driver's license is to be offered voter registration forms at the DMV (Motor Voter). There is a prohibition against asking for citizenship proof. There is no way to see this as anything exept a quest for extra dem voters. It will dilute legitamate US citizen votes, but who cares if democrats can benefit?

45 posted on 07/14/2004 8:11:05 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: He Rides A White Horse; JohnHuang2; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; hershey; ...

Back away from the car - now let me see your DRIVER'S LICENSE - ping.


46 posted on 07/14/2004 9:05:23 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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To: NewRomeTacitus; Ol' Dan Tucker; Smartass; PhilDragoo; Sabertooth; MeekOneGOP; dennisw
You KNEW this would come up . .

______________________________________________

MEXI-CAL DRIVER’S LICENSE

WE DON'T NEED NO STEEEKIN' BORDERS!"



47 posted on 07/14/2004 9:08:11 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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To: Happy2BMe

48 posted on 07/14/2004 9:13:04 PM PDT by Smartass ( BUSH & CHENEY IN 2004 - Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió.)
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To: MindFire; Carry_Okie; janetgreen; JackelopeBreeder

The same people who voted for Arnie will vote for him again when he runs for Vice President _______________with Hillary!

The excuse will be that he'll control her, so Republicans MUST vote for him.


49 posted on 07/14/2004 9:21:06 PM PDT by B4Ranch (We're going to take things away from you (guns) on behalf of the common good." Hillary 6/29/2004)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

You are one of the few who can see thru the fog.


50 posted on 07/14/2004 9:26:59 PM PDT by B4Ranch (We're going to take things away from you (guns) on behalf of the common good." Hillary 6/29/2004)
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