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Tec-9 Terror: 35 States Face Added Risk: Legal, Concealed Assault Weapons in Public Places
Brady Campaign ^ | 7-13-04

Posted on 07/14/2004 4:57:46 PM PDT by SJackson

To: National Desk

Contact: Peter Hamm of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence United with the Million Mom March, 202-898-0792

WASHINGTON, July 13 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following was released today by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence United with the Million Mom March:

There are only 13 days left when Congress is in session before the expiration of the Assault Weapons Ban -- a law that President Bush pledged he'd renew as a candidate for President in 2000.

Among the many dangerous outcomes of the sunset of the ban is this: In 35 states, the laws governing citizens carrying concealed weapons have been loosened to a ridiculous standard, with police forced to issue concealed handgun permits to virtually anyone who does not have a felony conviction. In many of those states, hidden handguns are allowed in public places like restaurants, bars, sports arenas, supermarkets and even places of worship.

That means that if the assault weapons ban expires, a banned weapon like the Tec-9 assault pistol, equipped with a 36- or 50- round magazine, could be legally carried, concealed, into many workplaces and popular establishments crowded with people.

Some states with extremely weak concealed weapons laws have banned carrying concealed weapons in school. Some have banned them at sporting events, and others have banned them where alcohol is served.

But other states don't exclude sensible public places in their laws. In Oregon, New Hampshire and Utah, a loaded Tec-9 could legally be carried into an elementary school or high school -- just as a 38-caliber revolver can be now. In Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Maine, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, Washington and West Virginia, or Colorado, a Tec-9 could be taken legally into a church or temple.

THE TEC-9: CONCEALABLE MAYHEM

Here's what one online gun information source says:

"The Intratec TEC DC-9 "assault pistol", also known as DC-9, TEC-9, or, if manufactured after 1994, as AB-10, bears the dubious distinction of being one of the most widely used "criminal" guns in USA. It was used in several mass murder cases, as well as in unknown, but definitely large number of street fights and other violent crimes. TEC-9 became "famous" for its "evil" appearance, large magazine capacity (which offered significant firepower), and for low price. Unsurprisingly, these features made TEC-9 very popular among various marginal types." (See http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg136-e.htm.)

STATES WITH MANDATORY CCW LAWS

In 35 states, police are forced to allow practically all non- felons to carry concealed handguns in public. These lenient laws, called "non-discretionary" or "shall issue" CCW laws, force law enforcement to issue concealed handgun permits to virtually anyone who does not have a felony conviction (Alaska and Vermont do not even require a permit to carry a concealed handgun).

In many states, the permit requirements are so minimal that some people get permits to carry concealed weapons despite criminal convictions for violent or drug-related misdemeanors or domestic violence restraining orders. The applicant does not have to show any need for carrying a hidden handgun and law enforcement has no discretion to deny permits even if they think public safety may be endangered, absent a prohibiting offense. Some of these states do not even require safety training and force police to issue permits to people as young as 18. The 35 states are: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

SOME OF THE RESULTS OF WEAKENED CONCEALED WEAPONS LAWS

-- A Georgia woman was arrested after pointing her concealed handgun at another mother during an argument over their eleven- year-old daughter's basketball game at school;

-- A Michigan man was arrested for threatening to shoot two other men with his concealed handgun during a dispute over clearing trash off his property;

-- A Virginia man was arrested for carrying a concealed handgun into an elementary school, where it was left in an unattended backpack in the classroom until a teacher noticed it;

-- An Alabama man accidentally shot himself and a bystander in a movie theater showing "102 Dalmatians," when the concealed handgun fell out of his pocket;

-- A Pennsylvania man shot and killed a neighbor with a concealed handgun during an argument over where to dump snow that was being shoveled off the property.

http://www.usnewswire.com/

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1 posted on 07/14/2004 4:57:47 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: *bang_list
13 days.

aaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, in the words of Mr. Dean.

2 posted on 07/14/2004 4:59:28 PM PDT by SJackson (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good, Hillary Clinton)
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To: SJackson
Congress has adjourned for today, thus, there are only 12 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires
3 posted on 07/14/2004 5:00:59 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: SJackson

I happen to have a TEC-9 in my collection.
What a piece of crap it is.


4 posted on 07/14/2004 5:01:42 PM PDT by DefCon
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To: SJackson

***SOME OF THE RESULTS OF WEAKENED CONCEALED WEAPONS LAWS

-- A Georgia woman was arrested after pointing her concealed handgun at another mother during an argument over their eleven- year-old daughter's basketball game at school;

-- A Michigan man was arrested for threatening to shoot two other men with his concealed handgun during a dispute over clearing trash off his property;

-- A Virginia man was arrested for carrying a concealed handgun into an elementary school, where it was left in an unattended backpack in the classroom until a teacher noticed it;

-- An Alabama man accidentally shot himself and a bystander in a movie theater showing "102 Dalmatians," when the concealed handgun fell out of his pocket;

-- A Pennsylvania man shot and killed a neighbor with a concealed handgun during an argument over where to dump snow that was being shoveled off the property.

http://www.usnewswire.com/ ***


WOW, 5 people. And how many people were saved during that same time by people carrying LEGAL handguns?


5 posted on 07/14/2004 5:02:19 PM PDT by irishtenor (Taglines are the bonus at the end of the message :>))
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To: SJackson
Here's what one online gun information source says:

Well, if its on that new-fangled "Interweb" thingummy-bob, it must be true!

6 posted on 07/14/2004 5:03:25 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: SJackson
Note to self re: shopping list...
7 posted on 07/14/2004 5:03:55 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: SJackson

If the Brady Bunch are this looney in July, will they be leaping off of buildings come September?!


8 posted on 07/14/2004 5:04:56 PM PDT by Redcloak (This tagline closed for remodeling. We apologize for any inconvenience.)
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To: irishtenor
W, 5 people. And how many people were saved during that same time by people carrying LEGAL handguns?

Yup, a very peaceful Friday night in most urban areas. Saving folk, that's the government's job.

The 102 Dalmations guy, I can't believe no one posted that.

9 posted on 07/14/2004 5:05:36 PM PDT by SJackson (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good, Hillary Clinton)
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To: SJackson

Remarkable demonstration that logic should only be practiced by licensed professionals. This might require a trip to the Logic Emergency Room.


10 posted on 07/14/2004 5:05:36 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: DefCon
I happen to have a TEC-9 in my collection. What a piece of crap it is.

Does that mean you won't be taking it to 101 Dalmations.

11 posted on 07/14/2004 5:06:15 PM PDT by SJackson (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good, Hillary Clinton)
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To: SJackson

So it is the President's job to hold the hand of the Congress to make sure a piece of largely ignored legislation gets reenacted?

Wonderful...the propaganda machine continues to churn....


12 posted on 07/14/2004 5:06:39 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Kerry renames the US The People's Republic of America)
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To: SJackson
The applicant does not have to show any need for carrying a hidden handgun and law enforcement has no discretion to deny permits even if they think public safety may be endangered, absent a prohibiting offense.

To the communist that posted this drivel

It's called freedom, get over your pathetic, whining little fears.

13 posted on 07/14/2004 5:08:54 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Many a law, many a commandment have I broken, but my word never.)
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To: SJackson
I know you just post this crap for giggles, but let's not take them too seriously.

The Brady Campaign numbers around 9 people total. They'll only have 8 when Sarah finally croaks.

14 posted on 07/14/2004 5:09:10 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: SJackson
SOME OF THE RESULTS OF WEAKENED CONCEALED WEAPONS LAWS

Notice that only in one case did anything actually HAPPEN! And it's arguable that in that case, anyone stupid enough to shoot someone over something that inane is a threat to society with or without a handgun.

Besides, if these are the most heinous incidents that have occurred as the direct result of "weakened" concealed carry laws, it's certainly a price I'm willing to pay.

15 posted on 07/14/2004 5:11:35 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: SJackson
Let's see, where can I start:
  1. The AW Ban has no effect on the ability to carry a Tec-9 concealed. The AWB only stopped the continued SALE of certain firearms and magazines manufactored after the date the AWB took effect
  2. The Tec-9 is a lousy crime gun. It's cheaply made and jams easily. The only thing going for it is its appearance
  3. The list of offenses commited by CCW holders is insignificant. You can bet the house that Brady printed EVERY significant offense they ever heard of over the last umpteen years. If this is all they got, then CCW holders have a lower rate of gun crime than cops do (a significant number of cops are arrested each year for crimes including armed robbery, murdering witnesses for the benefit of drug gangs, etc)

16 posted on 07/14/2004 5:13:09 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: SJackson
That means that if the assault weapons ban expires, a banned weapon like the Tec-9 assault pistol, equipped with a 36- or 50- round magazine, could be legally carried, concealed, into many workplaces and popular establishments crowded with people.

Psssssst. Mr. Hamm. Take out the word "legally" and you describe a situation no different than the one today. And anyone determined to wreak mayhem in the workplace or popular establishment isn't likely to concern himself with legal niceties anyway.

Would you care to look at what the AWB has NOT done???

17 posted on 07/14/2004 5:14:20 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: SJackson

Once, when I was on 3rd shift, someone was pounding on my door at 2 in the morning. My wife called me at work, I called the police, then drove home. It took me 35 minutes to get home, it took the police another 2 hours to get there. We live in a LARGE metropolitan area (Seattle). I can't wait for the government to protect me.


18 posted on 07/14/2004 5:14:44 PM PDT by irishtenor (Taglines are the bonus at the end of the message :>))
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To: Centurion2000
To the communist that posted this drivel It's called freedom, get over your pathetic, whining little fears.

I posted it, I didn't write it. I think it's funny.

19 posted on 07/14/2004 5:15:49 PM PDT by SJackson (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good, Hillary Clinton)
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To: SJackson

If a weapon is either inaccurate or unreliable;
it is pretty much worthless. The TEC-9 is both.
I hate being so negative about it.
Let me try to think up something good to say...
...oh, yeah, here's something...
It is really easy to clear out a jam, which is good
because you need to do it 3 or 4 times per magazine.

I also have a TEC-22, and it is equally inaccurate,
but a more reliable weapon than the 9.

If a weapon is either inaccurate or has no stopping power;
it is pretty worthless. The TEC-22 is both.


20 posted on 07/14/2004 5:18:13 PM PDT by DefCon
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To: IronJack
And anyone determined to wreak mayhem in the workplace or popular establishment isn't likely to concern himself with legal niceties anyway.

The fallacy of most (all, other than penalty enhancements) gun laws.

The Brady's should spend their money supporting Eddie Eagle, and save lives.

21 posted on 07/14/2004 5:18:52 PM PDT by SJackson (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good, Hillary Clinton)
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To: The KG9 Kid

I thought she was way past do for that, maybe everybody should send her some cartons of cigs to console her on the end of the ban.


22 posted on 07/14/2004 5:19:58 PM PDT by antti tuuri
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To: SJackson
That means that if the assault weapons ban expires, a banned weapon ..., equipped with a 36- or 50- round magazine, could be legally carried, concealed, into many workplaces and popular establishments crowded with people.

Here in Arizona, it is legal to carry an AR-15, AKM, etc. (pre- or postban) IN A NON-THREATENING MANNER. Although, I've not seen one EVER as an open carry weapon, it sure would turn some heads.

What would the mode of carry be? Slung in some manner? Australian carry? Giles tactical sling? The fact that I'm asking in a well armed open carry State, puts the lie to the Brady Bunch's mad ravings.

23 posted on 07/14/2004 5:20:23 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: irishtenor
"Once, when I was on 3rd shift, someone was pounding on my door at 2 in the morning. My wife called me at work, I called the police, then drove home. It took me 35 minutes to get home, it took the police another 2 hours to get there."

A former girlfriend who lives just outside of Atlanta was home alone when a man began pounding loudly on her front door, shouting that her car was about to be towed. As she was approaching the front door, one of the man's accomplisses was coming into her house via a back window, which she barely saw in time to pull her 9mm. The sound of the 9's action also seemed to chase away the man at her front door.

Then she had to wait 15 minutes for the cops to respond to her belated phone call (not really a bad response time, but lots of bad can happen in that amount of time).

Oh, and she didn't even have a car at the time. As you no doubt surmised, it was merely a ruse to distract her while her home was being broken into.

12 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

24 posted on 07/14/2004 5:24:49 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: DefCon
When it comes to the Bradys all that maters is it looks scary or sounds scary.

Like 50 caliber, still illegal for a Chicago LEO to own (I think). Blackpowder. In a shotgun or blackpowder deer hunting state. Go figure.

25 posted on 07/14/2004 5:25:19 PM PDT by SJackson (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good, Hillary Clinton)
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To: SJackson

I registered to respond to this. Carefully note that no assertion is made by Handgun Confiscation, Inc A/K/A Brady Center to Confiscate all Guns, that any of the people cited actually had a concealed carry permit.

And John Lott assures us that any discussion of the costs of some activity that excludes the benefits is a fraud, and this is a certifiable fraud because of that omission.

The benefits of concealed carry clearly outweigh the costs, the benefits of gun ownership clearly outweigh the costs.

And note well that since the 1995 federal gun ban in schools that one mass murder spree after another has taken place in our schools. When a perfect killing ground is created by law, it draws those to it with a murderous intent.

It is unlawful under Federal law, to take any weapons into a postal facility. These places of mass murder have created a new saying in the national lingo "going postal".

Anything coming from the mouth of a gun confiscation advocate is a deception, if not outright lie.


26 posted on 07/14/2004 5:26:58 PM PDT by Robert Taylor
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To: SJackson
Sarah's view of gun control as it applies to the elite belongs here, along with Diane's. For all us peasants.

..............

"(W)hen the owner called in the checks, it seemed to me he spoke unnecessarily loudly, repeating and spelling my name over and over on the phone...Scott is not a convicted felon, and he is not prohibited from owning a gun...Scott Brady could walk into a store and buy a - he is not a prohibited purchaser
Sarah Brady

.............

"Because less than twenty years ago I was the target of a terrorist group...I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that's what I did. I was trained in firearms...I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me."
Senator Dianne Feinstein

27 posted on 07/14/2004 5:27:43 PM PDT by SJackson (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good, Hillary Clinton)
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To: SJackson
-- An Alabama man accidentally shot himself and a bystander in a movie theater showing "102 (sic) Dalmatians," when the concealed handgun fell out of his pocket;

IIRC, in this incident, the guy carrying concealed was an off-duty POLICE OFFICER. I seem to recall that a thread was posted to FR last year on this particular incident.

In any event, as one of those "evil" concealed carry permit holders, I usually carry openly anyway. But the CCW does mean that after I fill out the BATF form 4479, I can just display my CCW and my gun guy doesn't have to run another background check on me ..... :)

±

"The Era of Osama lasted about an hour, from the time the first plane hit the tower to the moment the General Militia of Flight 93 reported for duty."
Toward FREEDOM

28 posted on 07/14/2004 5:28:26 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An oath is FOREVER)
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To: SJackson
Don't you love the sound of gun grabber's whining in the morning. Of course when the Ugly Gun Ban expires, the wailing and gnashing of teeth will be even sweeter. :)
29 posted on 07/14/2004 5:28:41 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: SJackson
The Brady's should spend their money supporting Eddie Eagle, and save lives.

True only if the Brady's are interested in saving lives. But we both know that's just a pretext ...

30 posted on 07/14/2004 5:29:11 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Redcloak

"..Will they be leaping off of buildings come September?"
Why do the words "trap and skeet" immediately come to mind?


31 posted on 07/14/2004 5:29:21 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: SJackson
....a banned weapon like the Tec-9 assault pistol, equipped with a 36- or 50- round magazine, could be legally carried, concealed, into many workplaces and popular establishments crowded with people.

Oh, no!!! The HUMANITY!!!(/sarcasm)

Hey, I never thought of that, I'll have to look at them at the next Gun show after the AWB sunsets!

Seriously, if such a firearm were carried by someone who had gone through the local & FBI criminal background check to get a concealed weapons permit, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

The people who have concealed weapons permits are not the problem with US gun violence!

The lawabiding people who follow gun laws, are not the problem with US gun violence.

The problem with US gun violence is that it is for the most part committed by criminals who pay little mind to the existing laws or the laws that Brady, et. al. would like to have on the books.

32 posted on 07/14/2004 5:29:21 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: SJackson
Brady Campaign?
Million Moron March?

Nuff said...

33 posted on 07/14/2004 5:31:24 PM PDT by Publius6961 (I don't do diplomacy either.)
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To: Robert Taylor
The benefits of concealed carry clearly outweigh the costs, the benefits of gun ownership clearly outweigh the costs.

Welcome to FR.

You're right, even from a perspective of one (not me) willling to cede to government the ability to control non-criminal gun ownership. Factor in the "benefits" of Freedom, there's nothing to discuss.

34 posted on 07/14/2004 5:32:15 PM PDT by SJackson (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good, Hillary Clinton)
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To: El Gato
Don't you love the sound of gun grabber's whining in the morning. Of course when the Ugly Gun Ban expires, the wailing and gnashing of teeth will be even sweeter. :)

Better yet, the two Johns will have to bite their tongues on this issue.

Thanks NRA! I'll likely ignore the FR NRA dissenters.

35 posted on 07/14/2004 5:34:08 PM PDT by SJackson (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good, Hillary Clinton)
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To: Southack; SJackson
That means that if the assault weapons ban expires, a banned weapon like the Tec-9 assault pistol, equipped with a 36- or 50- round magazine, could be legally carried, concealed, into many workplaces and popular establishments crowded with people.

Well, wouldn't you need all that ammo only in a crowded room? I mean if you have to keep reloading, some of them might get to you. ;-)

Congress has adjourned for today

Not yet, Ron Paul is up right now being isolationist and wanting to 'avoid foreign entanglements'.

36 posted on 07/14/2004 5:37:08 PM PDT by StriperSniper ("Ronald Reagan, the Founding Father of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy." - Mark Levin 6/8/04)
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To: basil; PistolPaknMama; 2nd amendment mama
In 35 states, the laws governing citizens carrying concealed weapons have been loosened to a ridiculous standard, with police forced to issue concealed handgun permits to virtually anyone who does not have a felony conviction. In many of those states, hidden handguns are allowed in public places like restaurants, bars, sports arenas, supermarkets and even places of worship.

I was going to suggest a campaign to send these people new panties (to replace the ones that they soil every day thinking about "hidden handguns"), but we've already seen that panties can be responsible for irrational fear and incoherent babbling as well.

38 posted on 07/14/2004 5:38:10 PM PDT by dbwz (CAN THE BAN!)
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To: SJackson

Thanks for the welcome to FR.

Now, how many of you have seen various attacks on the .50 caliber target rifle in the media of late? At least one California community is attempting to 'ban' the .50 caliber.

Note well that NOT ONE INSTANCE OF THESE HIGHLY EXPENSIVE TARGET RIFLES HAS EVER BEEN USED IN THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME!

That is correct, zero criminal activity, and a very well coordinated effort to ban a target rifle. So, ask yourself what is really going on with the so called gun control or misnamed gun safety groups. With zero criminal usage, 100% lawful usage, and a nationwide effort to ban, what is the real objective?

MAKE NO MISTAKE, THEY WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE RIGHT AND MEANS OF SELF DEFENSE. incrementally.


39 posted on 07/14/2004 5:40:12 PM PDT by Robert Taylor
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To: StriperSniper
Congress has adjourned for today Not yet, Ron Paul is up right now being isolationist and wanting to 'avoid foreign entanglements'.

Easy for him to say, right now is tomorrow in Iraq :>)

40 posted on 07/14/2004 5:40:53 PM PDT by SJackson (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good, Hillary Clinton)
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To: DefCon

So...you wanna be rid of it? :)


41 posted on 07/14/2004 5:42:05 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Open-box display model. Some accessories supplied. No manual. As is, no warranty. All sales final.)
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To: dbwz

"...panties can be responsible for irrational fear and incoherent babbling as well..."
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I know for a fact they have had that effect on me more than once...


42 posted on 07/14/2004 5:42:32 PM PDT by DefCon
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To: Robert Taylor
Now, how many of you have seen various attacks on the .50 caliber target rifle in the media of late? At least one California community is attempting to 'ban' the .50 caliber.

Note my comment in 25. A year or so Mayor Daley had a ban instituted on ownership of .50 caliber by Police, and I think all Chicago city employees, maybe someone can help me here.

.50 caliber anything, blackpowder, in a shotgun/blackpowder deer state. So much for city employees reenacting on July 4. Every few years some councilman introduces a ban on common calibers used in crime , that's all .22, .38., .44, .45, 9mm are used for after all. Sometimes accompanied by a ban of ammo over 1000 fps (penetrates vests) at the muzzle, legal deer hunting velocity in many states.

If you can't do it all at once, do it incrementally, feasible if you count on the ignorance of the voters.

43 posted on 07/14/2004 5:48:40 PM PDT by SJackson (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good, Hillary Clinton)
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To: IronJack
"And anyone determined to wreak mayhem in the workplace or popular establishment isn't likely to concern himself with legal niceties anyway."
Six People Die at Kan. Workplace Shooting
A no firearms sign hangs on a light pole outside the ConAgra plant in Kansas City, Kan., Friday, July 2, 2004. Shootings at the plant has left several dead and injured. (AP Photo/Orlin Wagner)

44 posted on 07/14/2004 5:52:14 PM PDT by KS Flyover
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To: ExGeeEye

Nah, I'll just keep it around and pass it down to my
grand kids in case they need it in the next revolution.


45 posted on 07/14/2004 5:53:29 PM PDT by DefCon
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To: SJackson
To the communist that posted this drivel It's called freedom, get over your pathetic, whining little fears.

I posted it, I didn't write it. I think it's funny.

Whoops ... definately used the wrong words there :) Allow me to correct that previous statement

To the communist that authored this drivel It's called freedom, get over your pathetic, whining little fears.

That's better.

46 posted on 07/14/2004 6:00:53 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Many a law, many a commandment have I broken, but my word never.)
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To: Centurion2000

That's called a Democrat! :>)


47 posted on 07/14/2004 6:06:44 PM PDT by SJackson (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good, Hillary Clinton)
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To: KS Flyover

Oh...I'm shaking....this is really going to stop someone from going into the workplace and shooting a bunch of people - NOT!

The only thing that can stop someone on a shooting spree is a well-armed person!


48 posted on 07/14/2004 6:07:47 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama (Can The Ban - let the AWB sunset www.2asisters.org www.cantheban.net)
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To: StriperSniper

Now if we could only get another couple of hundred like Ron Paul we could actually get a break from the ever expanding federal government.


49 posted on 07/14/2004 6:23:17 PM PDT by TheFrog
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To: irishtenor
WOW, 5 people. And how many people were saved during that same time by people carrying LEGAL handguns?

Actually only 3 people were shot in 2 incidents. The others were examples of bad judgement, but there were no injuries.

I remember thw newspaper acounts of the Pennsylvania incident. The way it happened is that two guys got into an argument over a parking place & shoveling snow into it. They both had permits. The one who got shot threatened the other one with his pistol. The shooter was justified in shooting back.

50 posted on 07/14/2004 6:23:48 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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