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Bin Laden's Goal: Kill 4 Million Americans
News Max ^ | Wednesday, July 14, 2004 | Stewart Stogel

Posted on 07/14/2004 7:11:55 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior

Bin Laden's Goal: Kill 4 Million Americans

Stewart Stogel

Wednesday, July 14, 2004

"It is not a question of if....it is a question of when," so claims the author of a controversial new book "Osama's Revenge: The Next 9/11: What the Media and the Government Haven't Told You," (Prometheus Books).

Paul Williams, an investigative journalist and author, says information he has obtained and some he was given access to, all point to another attack by al-Qaeda on the U.S. mainland.

"I believe that between now and 2005, Osama Bin Laden and al-Qaeda will attack the U.S. with (stolen) nuclear weapons, I have no doubt about it," says Williams.

The allegations were made during an extensive interview with NewsMax.

Williams says his "intelligence" concludes the most likely means of attack would come in the form of a so-called "suitcase (size) tactical nuclear bomb."

"The chatter that everyone is referring to is coming from the nest in Pakistan, a virulent nest in Iran, the chatter is all about nukes being here....the best bang for the buck is nuclear, they (al-Qaeda) know that."

Such bombs are estimated to have an explosive strength of approximately "10 kilotons" and could weigh less than 35 pounds.

"With today's technology and the Internet, an experienced person could easily assemble such a bomb in his home garage," Williams explained.

A bomb of that strength could easily level Manhattan and spread lethal radiation throughout the NYC-Metro area says the author. "It (the nuke) could render Manhattan unlivable for 1,000 years," he estimated.

According to Williams, several of the "suitcase nukes" are already inside the U.S. Some may have been smuggled in overland from Canada or Mexico, or shipped from overseas via container ships, he explained.

Another, more ominous method, was a throwback to the Cold War era.

Williams, quoting Russian military officials, says Moscow secretly slipped into the continental U.S. several suitcase nukes to be activated in case of the breakout of hostilities with Washington.

Today, Williams says many of those "sleeper" nukes remain in place because some in the Kremlin still believe a conflict with the U.S. is possible.

The author insists that Al Qaeda has "thousands" of sympathizers and numerous sleeper cells in the United States ready to carry out new attacks when given the OK.

Among the cities Williams says are vulnerable include: New York, Chicago, Washington, Boston, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Dallas, Valdes, Alaska (oil pipelines-shipping) and Rappohoneck County, VA.

Why a Small County in Rural Virgina?

Williams says it is the home of the underground command center the White House would move to in the event of war.

The author refers to recent comments made by Vice-President Dick Cheney as verification the nuclear threat from Osama Bin Laden is real.

He also points out that al-Qaeda and Bin Laden have publicly proclaimed their goal is to kill "4 million Americans."

Why 4 Million?

Williams claims that Bin Laden estimates that U.S. policy in the Mid-East and in Eastern Europe have resulted in the deaths of 4 million followers of Islam.

The author is at a loss as to explain why the White House has not taken more definitive actions.

"I cannot figure out why they (the Bush administration) have not done more to address the threat. Maybe they don't know how or hope nothing will happen."

He also blasts the U.S. mass media for not reporting the "problem:"

"With the exception of Fox News, the problem has received or little or no attention, despite comments from the Vice-President of the United States. Maybe they just don't understand what it is going on."

Williams says such nukes made it onto the black market after the collapse of the Soviet Union (1991) and during the following decade when Pakistan (with the assistance of China and North Korea) exploded its first atomic bombs.

Flush with cash from his secret Afghan/Pakistan poppy/heroin operations, Osama Bin Laden had the funds not only to buy such weapons, but the technicians and scientists needed to maintain and transport them as well.

Williams says his intelligence estimates that Bin Laden could actually possess "10 or more" of the suitcase nukes.

Recent reports from the Central Intelligence Agency could not confirm that such nukes may have been stolen, but could not discount the possibility.

Last month, the U.S. Dept. of Energy secretly removed a stache of highly radioactive materials from Iraq citing "security concerns." Washington would not disclose where in the U.S. the atomic materials were moved to, but did insist they were now in a highly-secured location.

Targets

Could the upcoming national political conventions in Boston and New York City be a target for these nukes?

Williams says "perhaps" but most likely not.

"Islam practices patience...remember it was more than 8 years between attacks on the World Trade Center. They (al-Qaeda) are in no rush. They will attack when they are ready."


TOPICS: Editorial; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaedanukes; alqaedastrategy; americans; binladen; doomed; elvisbinladen; jihadinamerica; kill; million; mostpostedthread; muslims; nukes; osamasrevenge; paullwilliams; suitcasenukes; terrorist; theskyisfalling
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I don't believe this is true. I think they would have already been used if they were here. Why wait and take a chance on getting busted instead of just using them now if they had them?
1 posted on 07/14/2004 7:11:56 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

50 million Americans' goal - kill bin laden.


2 posted on 07/14/2004 7:15:05 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

From all these threads it appears OBL has at least 140 suitcase nukes in this country.


3 posted on 07/14/2004 7:16:06 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
If that were to happen, the history books would record:

The section of the world that glowed at night for 100 years used to be inhabited by a group that called themselves Arabs, and that their religion was Islam ( see: extinct Religions ).

4 posted on 07/14/2004 7:16:30 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
What's he know?


5 posted on 07/14/2004 7:17:01 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

if they had them they would have leveled manhatten on 9/11 instead of using planes. they took their best shot. they've done all that they're capable of other then meeting allah and the U.S. military is taking care of that oversight as we speak...


6 posted on 07/14/2004 7:17:02 PM PDT by go star go
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
The author is at a loss as to explain why the White House has not taken more definitive actions.

Obviously a DU troll.

7 posted on 07/14/2004 7:18:06 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

They would be foolish to hit these cities before an election. Most are dimocratic.


8 posted on 07/14/2004 7:18:33 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
These so called nukes don't last more then a few months so 13 years would make them duds.

They would also be very "Hot" and can be seen from our eyes in the sky no problem if they were already here.

They might ket the terror effect from these but not the deaths !

9 posted on 07/14/2004 7:18:42 PM PDT by america-rules (It's US or THEM so what part don't you understand ?)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
"With today's technology and the Internet, an experienced person could easily assemble such a bomb in his home garage,"

Good gravy - how inane.

10 posted on 07/14/2004 7:18:52 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

This has been well discussed in at least 3 to 4 other threads so far.

And I agree that if they could have used them, it would have already happened. Fortunatly for us these nukes require periodic maintenance from qualified technicians with the proper parts and equipment. the best the enemy could hope for a some dirty bombs at best!


11 posted on 07/14/2004 7:19:00 PM PDT by NYTexan (...back to the bunker!...)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

There was another thread a few weeks ago on this, and I believe the consensus was that "suitcase nukes" were not actually dependable or operative. Anyone know about that thread??? The technology isn't working, or something like that.


12 posted on 07/14/2004 7:20:34 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

I recall reading that any Cold War era sleeper bombs would have long become useless because of lack of maintenance.


13 posted on 07/14/2004 7:20:40 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
The Khan network seems to be turning up in a lot of places. 6 or 7 nukes ? No. 3 maybe, but not all in the United States yet. I am sure their goal is to set at least one off here in North America. One for Europe and another one for the Saudi oil fields. Then they can claim to have more and blackmail the world into removing all infidels from Islamic lands. Credible...? This guy ? Don't know. The threat ? Before the Kahn discovery and the large amounts of radioactive material coming here from Iraq and other middle-eastern sources...I would have said maybe a few years from now. However...I believe the threat is much closer than any of us really thought...or even wanted to think about.
14 posted on 07/14/2004 7:21:14 PM PDT by JediForce (AL GORE WILL LEAD THE " DEATH TO AMERICA " CHANT AT THE DNC CONVENTION !)
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To: Tench_Coxe

Save the US, Save England ...


15 posted on 07/14/2004 7:21:32 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: Tench_Coxe; ThermoNuclearWarrior
The section of the world that glowed at night for 100 years used to be inhabited by a group that called themselves Arabs, and that their religion was Islam ( see: extinct Religions ).

wouldn't that be nice..

This guy is going to be on local radio tommorrow. wben 930 am Buffalo.

16 posted on 07/14/2004 7:21:51 PM PDT by The Mayor ( The cross of Christ reveals manís sin at its worst and Godís love at its best.)
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To: Senator Pardek
Good gravy - how inane.

I hear that you can buy suitcase nukes on EBay.

17 posted on 07/14/2004 7:22:17 PM PDT by mikegi
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
He also blasts the U.S. mass media for not reporting the "problem:"

Well, if they report it, and nothing happens, they look bad. If they fail to report it, and something does happen, who will be here to complain?

18 posted on 07/14/2004 7:22:29 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Tench_Coxe

LOL!


19 posted on 07/14/2004 7:23:08 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Tribune7

Any old bomb is dangerous. Even Civil War bombs are dangerous. A suitcase nuke would be dangerous even if it cannot fission: one could lose a finger or an eye.


20 posted on 07/14/2004 7:23:17 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
Among the cities Williams says are vulnerable include: New York, Chicago, Washington, Boston, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Dallas, Valdes, Alaska (oil pipelines-shipping) and Rappohoneck County, VA.
Why a Small County in Rural Virgina?
Williams says it is the home of the underground command center the White House would move to in the event of war.

It's spelled Rappahannock. Wonder why the article got it wrong.

21 posted on 07/14/2004 7:23:50 PM PDT by agrarianlady
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
He also blasts the U.S. mass media for not reporting the "problem: selling his book
22 posted on 07/14/2004 7:24:06 PM PDT by paul51
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
"It (the nuke) could render Manhattan unlivable for 1,000 years," he estimated.

Ridiculous. Hiroshima is a thriving city today, and the bomb that levelled it had a higher yield than a suitcase nuke.

23 posted on 07/14/2004 7:24:38 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: paul51

DING DING DING DING DING!!!! We have a winner!!!!!!!!


24 posted on 07/14/2004 7:25:05 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: go star go
>they've done all that they're capable of

Far from it. In the worlds of Chem, Bio and Nuc, so much more is very doable.

Remember, terrorism is simply a method of guerrilla war, not an entity unto itself.

No guerrilla has even been beaten on the target's battlefield.

But no guerrilla can exist without a huge out-of-target-area support structure, and no guerrilla that ever lost that support structure won a war.
That's why Afghanistan and Iraq were necessary.

It's very simple. Tell the ME governments that they must stop fence-sitting and get Al-Queda, or if a nuc goes off here... many more off of there.

....and the Kabala Stone becomes the Kabala Dust.
25 posted on 07/14/2004 7:25:31 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Kill all Islamic terrorists now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Dead men have no goals.


26 posted on 07/14/2004 7:25:40 PM PDT by jpl ("America's greatest chapter is still to be written, for the best is yet to come." - Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: NYTexan; ThermoNuclearWarrior
This has been well discussed in at least 3 to 4 other threads so far.

And that's just in the last day.

27 posted on 07/14/2004 7:27:16 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (/"Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: agrarianlady

It's NewsMax. They need an editor badly.


28 posted on 07/14/2004 7:27:42 PM PDT by JennysCool ("I'm not worried about the deficit. It's big enough to take care of itself." - RWR)
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To: jpl

If a nuke goes off in the USA, I hope and prey that we launch 10 at their most holy cities (like Mecca and others), and then tell them, "okay, hit us with another one and see what happens".


29 posted on 07/14/2004 7:29:15 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (The U. S. A. is a Republic, not a Democracy)
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To: Euro-American Scum
"The author is at a loss as to explain why the White House has not taken more definitive actions.

Obviously a DU troll."


I'm not a troll and my previous post will show that. I thought the article was interesting even though I don't believe their are nukes over here. I also think Bush is doing everything he can if he has intelligence telling him their may be nukes already in the U.S. Some people just don't understand that there are things going on behind the scenes that we don't all know about.
30 posted on 07/14/2004 7:33:58 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior ("If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking." - General George Patton Jr.)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Somehow, I don't think al Quada and the rest of the islamist bunch would care to see Mecca go up in flames should they try something so stupid.


31 posted on 07/14/2004 7:34:58 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Liberalism is the end result of too many people peeing in the gene pool.)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
"Moscow secretly slipped into the continental U.S. several suitcase nukes to be activated in case of the breakout of hostilities"

Why in the world would they smuggle in suitcase nukes when they could bring whatever they wanted in under diplomatic seal? They could easily bring in the big puppies.

I used to drive by the Soviet embassy in San Francisco on my way to work in the early 80's, and I always wondered if there was a hundred megaton warhead in the basement.

32 posted on 07/14/2004 7:36:30 PM PDT by Texas dog
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
A bomb of that strength could easily level Manhattan and spread lethal radiation throughout the NYC-Metro area says the author. "It (the nuke) could render Manhattan unlivable for 1,000 years," he estimated.

Uh, right. The Hiroshima bomb was twice that size and dirtier. This is a picture of Hiroshima today:

That's the Peace Museum in the foreground. I've been to Hiroshima several times. Beautiful place.

33 posted on 07/14/2004 7:38:44 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

(For Paul Williams)

Where does the author live?
Is he taking measures to protect himself (including leaving the most likely threat areas)?
I hope sales are brisk.


34 posted on 07/14/2004 7:38:59 PM PDT by Diddley (Free Republic: An aboveground forum.)
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To: mikegi
You know I bought a suitcase bomb on e-bay once, but the directions were all in Russian. Boy that was a long Christmas eve. (no batteries either!)
35 posted on 07/14/2004 7:40:25 PM PDT by jpf
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To: South40
What's he know?

Not sure. But undefeated in 22 professional Middleweight fights (18 by Knock Out), I'm not going to argue with Paul "The Punisher" Williams

36 posted on 07/14/2004 7:41:17 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (/"Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: Senator Pardek
Good gravy - how inane.

What are you talking about? I bought the H-bomb Heathkit on eBay, and it didn't take me much longer than a couple weekends to throw together.

Watch out, Trinidad and Tobago. There's a new power in the Lesser Antilles.

37 posted on 07/14/2004 7:45:11 PM PDT by SedVictaCatoni
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To: NYTexan

These stories have floated around since before the end of the Cold War. They were supposed to be brought in as a deterrent to an attack by the United States. The FBI took the story serious enough to scan the cities with geiger counters. The problem lies in being able to shield the bearer of the bomb from radiation in such a light package. It all sounds far-fetched but a former intelligence official wrote the book.


38 posted on 07/14/2004 7:46:29 PM PDT by meenie
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
Heard this guy being interviewed this morning on the radio.

He sounded like a flake.

In fact, I thought for a moment it was one of Phil Hendrie's characters.
39 posted on 07/14/2004 7:48:10 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("A republic, if we can revive it")
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

He will go to work on achieving that goal over here in ernest if john kerry is elected.


40 posted on 07/14/2004 7:49:10 PM PDT by sport
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To: RightWhale
"From all these threads it appears OBL has at least 140 suitcase nukes in this country."

Yup. If only one were discovered, this story could have legs. Call me when we find one.

41 posted on 07/14/2004 7:50:01 PM PDT by blam
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Anyone who had the means to do so would do so before getting caught. I have no doubt AQ could put together some kind of dirty bomb, but a nuke would trigger radiation detectors for ten miles around. We can spots ships with cargos of ceramic glaze tiles that are barely above background radiation. People have been stopped in the streets after having medical scans.

Nope, every day is a day closer to being caught.


42 posted on 07/14/2004 7:52:40 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: SedVictaCatoni

That's why you should get the pre-assembled ones. The damn kits always have washers missing.


43 posted on 07/14/2004 7:52:55 PM PDT by dandi ("No nation ever taxed it's way into prosperity." - R.L.)
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To: meenie

It's all BS & fear mongering!!!


44 posted on 07/14/2004 7:53:25 PM PDT by NYTexan (...back to the bunker!...)
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To: BykrBayb
50 million Americans' goal - kill bin laden.

ROFL!!! Thanks!

45 posted on 07/14/2004 7:56:45 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: meenie

The Russians aren't alone in producing man portable nukes. The US version, was to be carried into places like East Berlin by Delta troops that were stationed in West Berlin. They had a life expectancy of 48 hours of exposure to the manpack before the radiation would kill them.

Simple mission: Avoid capture and get into position, then sit down and begin the arming seuence. If arming sequence not completed within 48 hours, auto detonation. Weight of manpack reportedly 85 pounds, and resembled a standard ALICE pack (Mountain). Those assigned this mission had no time nor desire to get away after the arming sequence - they knew that their lives were done after carrying it so long.


46 posted on 07/14/2004 7:56:54 PM PDT by datura (The Difference Between a Democrat and a Communist Is????)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior; Admin Moderator

Okay, how many times is this guy's hype going to be posted as if it were news?

I think this is "out there" already, I've seen at least 3 other posts that were very similar, in the past couple of days.

Why the FUD campaign?


47 posted on 07/14/2004 7:58:37 PM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: america-rules

"They would also be very "Hot" and can be seen from our eyes in the sky no problem if they were already here"

Forgive my ignorance of nuclear technology... are you saying that our satelites could detect a suitcase nuke being held inside a building?


48 posted on 07/14/2004 8:02:00 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion have been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: malakhi
"It (the nuke) could render Manhattan unlivable for 1,000 years," he estimated.

Ridiculous. Hiroshima is a thriving city today, and the bomb that levelled it had a higher yield than a suitcase nuke.

When I was n the Navy stationed in Japan I made quite a few visits to Nagasaki and you had to have the effects of the bomb pointed out to you by local experts. If not you'd have completly missed them. All this guy is doing is trying to sell a book.

49 posted on 07/14/2004 8:05:35 PM PDT by Terp (Retired living in Philippines were the Mountains meet the Sea in the Land of Smiles)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

From what I gathered on another thread suitcase nukes have to be used within about a six month time period after completion due to the breakdown of their hardware from radiation. Therefore if there are suitcase nukes in the US they would have to be used within about a six month time period unless there was a secret nuke lab somewhere in country where the terrorists could service the weapons which is highly unlikely. So if the terrorists have the weapons at all they would have to use them within a six month time span upon their completion or the more likely scenario IMO is the weapons would have to be currently kept in a sympathetic country's stockpile(Iran, Pakistan, etc.) where they could be continuously serviced until the time that the terrorists would need them.

Also consider the only countries able to produce such tiny warheads are the US, Russia, and probably China and the last miniature warheads known to have been produced were probably done so in late 80s or early 90s by the former Soviet Union. So IF some suitcase nuclear warheads were sold in say 1992 by some rogue scientist in some former Soviet satellite state they would have had to be maintained and serviced a few times per year since even going as far as replacing the nuclear material(which could have been obtained only from a nation-state). Which means the nukes would have to have been immediately(within a few months after being sold) given to scientists with enough knowhow and expertise and equipment to service the weapons and keep them operational. IMO at that time there would have been only two possible countries with enough expertise and equipment to carry out the needed maintenance, China and maybe Pakistan. Of course today there may be a handful more Iran, North Korea, and maybe one or two others. So IMO due to the advanced nature of the weapons there would have to be a nation-state involved with the terrorists in pulling off a nuke attack which means if it were to happen(which I think is unlikely..at least a suitcase bomb) then we would definitely be retaliating in kind to probably more than one nation. Again this is just speculation and I am not an expert.


50 posted on 07/14/2004 8:06:06 PM PDT by fiftymegaton
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