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Jesus and Muhammad: A Core Difference Between Islam and Christianity's Central Figures
Amazing Universe ^ | July 13, 2004 | Steven

Posted on 07/16/2004 11:24:28 AM PDT by StevenAU

Jesus and Muhammad A Core Difference Between Islam and Christianity's Central Figures by Steven (July 13, 2004)

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Role models play a central part in the human psyche. As young children, many of us looked up to our parents and molded our behavior and morals on the examples they set forth before us. It is no surprise that children raised in alcoholic families have a greater chance of becoming alcoholics themselves. Children of scientists tend to lean towards science in search of answers. Those raised in Buddhist households generally grow up to become Buddhists. Role models leave a deep and lasting influence on the psyche and development of both children and adults. And so it comes as no surprise that two of the most influential religions today offer their followers powerful role models. There is, however, a significant difference between the role models offered in Christianity and Islam.

In Jesus, we find the central role model put forth by Christianity. He was, by all standards, a pacifist. In his Sermon on the Mount, Jesus put forth several concepts that have become central to Christianity. One of these concepts was the notion of turning the other cheek when someone hit you. Jesus preached the idea of non-violence. "Love your enemy." Another important teaching of Jesus was that of forgiveness. During his crucifixion by the Romans, Jesus not once put up a struggle. In fact, as he hung dying, he pleaded, "forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do."

The central role model of Christianity was a figure that epitomized non-violence and forgiveness. He was also one who embraced all forms of outcasts. Jesus blessed the lepers that were shunned by society. It is thus that his story provides the Christian follower with a role model figure to emulate.

When a person "finds Jesus," they usually turn into pacifists and espouse the virtues of love and peace. Since their central role model embraced outcasts, we usually find modern day Christians unwilling to force their beliefs on others by means of war and violence. Jesus accepted lepers and outcasts; we can also see this attribute of embracing those who are different than you in many Western countries that were founded on Christian values. The ideal of forgiveness is also usually embraced in Western cultures. We can find evidence of this in the criminal system. While Saudi Arabia imposes such harsh punishment as beheading one of their princes for the crime of adultery, most Western societies approach the criminal system with an eye towards reform and fair punishment.

The effect of Jesus as a central role model on Judeo-Christian based Western societies is undeniable. His teachings have set forth an atmosphere of tolerance and forgiveness. Jesus' pacifistic views dramatically changed the role of war … during the Roman Empire, war was used to conquer new lands and used as a measure of glory. Now days, most Western countries view violence and war as nothing short of a last resort in self-defense.

The central role model offered by Islam is a less pacifistic one. Muhammad was by many standards quite a militant individual. Spending much of his life fighting against the "infidels," Muhammad offers the Muslim a less forgiving role model. We can find an example of Muhammad's more militant nature in his actions shortly after one of his battles.

Upon conquering the Jewish tribe of Qurayza, Muhammad and his men found themselves in possession of a large number of prisoners. He appointed an arbiter for advice on the situation who soon suggested that the male prisoners be killed, the women and children sold as slaves, and their property to be split between him and his men. Muhammad quickly supported this suggestion calling it "a decree of God pronounced from above the Seven Heavens." It was thus that some 700-900 men from the Qurayza tribe were marched into the marketplace of Medina. A long trench and ditch was dug and as Muhammad watched on, all 700-900 men were decapitated. As the bodies of the men were buried in the ditch, their wives and children were sold into slavery. A small number of the women were given to Muhammad's friends as gifts. Muhammad took one of these women (Rayhana) as his own.

We can see that Muhammad was not only a militant individual, but was also one who at times was very cruel. To sanction the beheading of over 700 prisoners of war in one day alone is almost unheard of. His actions certainly showed little sign of forgiveness, little disdain towards violence and the use of force, and little regard for the rights of women.

We can easily see the effect of such a role model in the Middle East, where Islam is the predominant religion. With Muhammad's unforgiving, and sometimes cruel, nature, it comes as no surprise that the justice system of the Middle East is also unforgiving and sometimes cruel. The Saudi Arabian government recently beheaded one of their princes for the minor crime of adultery. It is not unheard of to find examples of young children getting their hand and foot cut off for the minor crime of stealing some food. The notion of treating others as you would like to be treated is one that is not common in Muslim dominated cultures, neither is the notion of forgiveness one that is embraced in the Middle East.

Muhammad spent a large portion of his life fighting the "infidels." Through the might of his warriors, he was able to bring about what Muslims would consider to be a "cleansing" of the region. With the glorification of war and forcible conversions that is set forth in the role model of Muhammad, it once again should come as no surprise that many Middle Eastern and Muslim dominated cultures see little wrong with using violent force to reach an end. War and violence is not a last resort of self-defense, but instead a glorifying means to wage holy war against "infidels" and to bring about a "cleansing" and purifying of lands. We can see the effects of such a role model in some African countries where the Muslim population sees no wrong in violently brutalizing their "infidel" countrymen. For it is not only acceptable to do so, but in fact a glorious battle against "infidels" the like of which their role model spent his life fighting.

It is clearly evident that the Christian and Muslim role model figures differ greatly. Their impact on societies dominated by their religion is an evident and tangible one. The religions themselves do not necessarily breed such attitudes. For example, many Westernized Muslims who were raised and educated in the West do support the ideals of forgiveness and non-violence.

Some would counter that Christians have in fact been behind many cruelties themselves. An example of this can easily be found in the brutal Crusades. It is true that Christians have brutalized many people. These actions, however, took place in a time when such violence was the norm of warfare. The brutal actions of such Christians were thus more likely influenced by their immediate culture and societal norms as opposed to religious indoctrination. As times have changed and societal norms have become more peaceful, we see the Christians also adapting with society. This is a natural change, as their central role model of Jesus was a pacifist. Becoming more peaceful with the changing times is a natural change.

It is in such a context that we see the unfortunate situation of the Muslim role model. While Christianity's role model was one that offered no counterdiction to the growing tendencies of modern societal pacifistic tendencies, Muhammad is a figure that does stand in contrast to such changes. Muhammad's militant and warlike nature offer Muslim dominated cultures a role model that stands in sharp contrast to societal changes towards pacifism. He was a warrior and a fighter. With the religious indoctrination of people towards such a figure, it comes as no surprise that while the rest of the world moved towards a more peaceful tendency, the Middle East and Muslim dominated cultures remain somewhat violent and unforgiving, even towards their own citizens.

A warrior role model such as Muhammad will unfortunately ensure that the Middle East and Muslim dominated societies will remain less forgiving and more violent for a long time to come. It has in fact resisted over a thousand years of growing pacifist notions in the rest of the world. With such a strong resistance to pacifism engrained in their most influential role model figure, non-Westernized Muslims will remain resistant to notions of pacifism and non-violence. Unfortunately, Muhammad's glorification of war against the "infidels" makes it likely that Western societies will have to deal with this violent and unforgiving nature in the form of forcible attempts at conversion or violent "cleansing."

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Very interesting article looking at the differences between the two role model figures.
1 posted on 07/16/2004 11:24:30 AM PDT by StevenAU
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To: StevenAU

"God sent his only son to die for you."

"Muhammed sends his sons to kill you."


2 posted on 07/16/2004 11:31:06 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

lol, true true


3 posted on 07/16/2004 11:32:05 AM PDT by StevenAU
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To: StevenAU
The difference?

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, come to die to provide for our redemption, rose from the dead on the third day.

Muhammed is a violent pedophile.

4 posted on 07/16/2004 11:34:12 AM PDT by MEGoody (Kerry - isn't that a girl's name? (Conan O'Brian))
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To: StevenAU

Bottom line: Jesus is God and Muhammad is not!


5 posted on 07/16/2004 11:38:23 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Jesus loves you.

Allah wants your head.


6 posted on 07/16/2004 11:38:42 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: SJSAMPLE

When a person "finds Jesus," they usually turn into pacifists and espouse the virtues of love and peace.

Sorry, Jesus is my warrior model.....


7 posted on 07/16/2004 11:38:53 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: StevenAU
In Jesus, we find the central role model put forth by Christianity. He was, by all standards, a pacifist.

Flat wrong. First, it was Jesus who suggested disciples take swords with them on their travels:

35Then Jesus asked them, "When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?" "Nothing," they answered. 36He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." - Luke 22:35-36

Also, Paul made it clear that there was nothing contradictory in a Christian being a soldier, and used warfare and soldiering as metaphors for the Christian life.

Yes, Jesus calls for peace and forebearance. No He is not, "by all standards," a pacifist.

8 posted on 07/16/2004 11:41:29 AM PDT by kezekiel
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To: kellynla

Christianity comes from a position of peace and forgiving, love for others, and Jesus came to save people. Islam is a cult errrrr "religion" of hatred and agression. The people of Islam believe that it is their duty to take over the world by force. We are in a religious war folks, and you can not aviod thw war by being a passifist or by claiming that you are an athiest. The people of Islam don't care. As long as you are not a Muslim, they feel that it is their duty to kill you and take your land. End of story.


9 posted on 07/16/2004 11:43:49 AM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (Kerry Lied)
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To: kezekiel
Flat wrong. First, it was Jesus who suggested disciples take swords with them on their travels:

TO make this statement you're taking one verse out of context. It demonstrates someone with no real knowledge of the bible as a whole, rather someone who has read bits and pieces or listened to someone else on a website somewhere.

10 posted on 07/16/2004 11:44:36 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: StevenAU
Christ promises the faithful that we will have eternal life with Him in Heaven.

Muhammed promises a whorehouse with an open bar. In other words Muslims must die as martyrs (in other words die killing non-Muslims) to enjoy the decadent life they kill others for enjoying on earth.

11 posted on 07/16/2004 11:49:08 AM PDT by wagglebee
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To: StevenAU

Well it is after all your article so I guess you would think it interesting. BUT as usual for folks who try and paint the Nazarene as a pacifist it is dead wrong. There is nothing within the faith that requires one to be a pacifist. In fact Jesus himself destinguishes what belongs to God and what belongs to Ceasar. He does not comndemn the soldier for doing his job and He was not gentle with the money changers at the temple. This is just so much silliness. The reason that Christianity succeeds in a less violent wayt is because it demands personal accountability and a personal relationship with one's Creator....


12 posted on 07/16/2004 11:51:30 AM PDT by jnarcus
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To: kjam22
TO make this statement you're taking one verse out of context. It demonstrates someone with no real knowledge of the bible as a whole, rather someone who has read bits and pieces or listened to someone else on a website somewhere.

Educate me.

13 posted on 07/16/2004 11:53:57 AM PDT by kezekiel
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To: StevenAU

Very well done!


14 posted on 07/16/2004 12:02:30 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: conserv13

B-e-a-utiful!

That's my new bumper sticker!
Thanks.


15 posted on 07/16/2004 12:08:55 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: jnarcus

You are right, Jesus was not a pacifist. He had a temper - a pacifist would not have turned over the tables of the money lenders and merchants. One would not have to be a pacifist to rightly condemn the slaughter of thousands of prisoners, either. Ghandi was a pacifist.


16 posted on 07/16/2004 12:12:36 PM PDT by beelzepug
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To: StevenAU

Jesus is the Son of God, Muhammad is a Son of a B--ch....


17 posted on 07/16/2004 12:13:01 PM PDT by Red Badger (Wake me up when my 15 minutes of fame starts, so I can call my wife and let her know......)
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To: kezekiel

People who would make your argument are the exact same kind of people who read Matthew 6:6 and then say that Jesus commanded us to not pray in public.


18 posted on 07/16/2004 12:14:21 PM PDT by kjam22
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To: StevenAU

"A long trench and ditch was dug and as Muhammad watched on, all 700-900 men were decapitated."

This sounds similar to the Nazis of WW2 lining up Jews (and others) along trenches and machine-gunning them to death.


19 posted on 07/16/2004 12:14:53 PM PDT by nosofar ("I'm not above the Law. I am the Law!" - Judge Dredd)
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To: StevenAU
Srdja Trifkovic wrote in an 1999 issue of Chronicles magazine that Muhammed was part John Gotti, part Charles Manson; in other words, a murderous psychopath. Think about the implications of holding Muhammed to be the model for humanity, which Muslims do -- the ideal Muslim must be a murderous psychopath. Early in his career, Muhammed spoke gently and tolerantly, but as time went on and he grew in power, he became more violent and intolerant in his speech and deeds. Muslims hold that his later statements abrogate his earlier -- Allah, allegedly speaking though Muhammed, changed his mind.

To be fair, Christian rulers of the 7th century were by and large a ruthless bunch, but no one holds Justinian and Theodora or any of their royal Christian contemporaries as models for humanity for all time.

20 posted on 07/16/2004 12:25:46 PM PDT by Siamese Princess
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To: StevenAU

i feel so cheated, people keep telling me islam is the religion of peace. i hate when im lied to.


21 posted on 07/16/2004 12:36:49 PM PDT by wing84th
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To: kjam22
"Flat wrong. First, it was Jesus who suggested disciples take swords with them on their travels"

: "TO make this statement you're taking one verse out of context. It demonstrates someone with no real knowledge of the bible as a whole, rather someone who has read bits and pieces or listened to someone else on a website somewhere."

The meaning of the verse is clear. How exactly would "context" change it? I have just re-read the verse and the verses before and after it. I see no ambiguity.

22 posted on 07/16/2004 12:51:54 PM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: kjam22
"Flat wrong. First, it was Jesus who suggested disciples take swords with them on their travels"

: "TO make this statement you're taking one verse out of context. It demonstrates someone with no real knowledge of the bible as a whole, rather someone who has read bits and pieces or listened to someone else on a website somewhere."

The meaning of the verse is clear. How exactly would "context" change it? I have just re-read the verse and the verses before and after it. I see no ambiguity.

How does one tell, for sure, just who has "real" knowledge of the Bible, anyway. Just you, maybe?

23 posted on 07/16/2004 12:52:55 PM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: StevenAU

A little misleading. Firstly, I wouldn't exactly call Jesus a pacifist. Anyone who could, singlehandedly, drive out the moneychangers from the temple was no pacifist. Secondly, his advice and teachings were geared toward the individual, not groups. Thirdly, I wouldn't exactly call adultery a minor sin.


24 posted on 07/16/2004 12:55:16 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: beelzepug

the whole flipping the tables deal was an example of where
we get the term "righteous indignation". If someone is in
your church(or in this case, temple) and defiles it...there
you go. I don't see Marines/Soldiers shooting at non-combatants while hiding in a church. That said, any religion
can be "hijacked" to do evil, some are just way more
susceptible to it than others.In this case Islam.If you can't read and have everything spoon fed to you in a madrass
from age 0...you get Ronald McWahabbi.


25 posted on 07/16/2004 1:00:08 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece)
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To: kjam22
People who would make your argument are the exact same kind of people who read Matthew 6:6 and then say that Jesus commanded us to not pray in public.

Again, you are welcome to educate me.

26 posted on 07/16/2004 1:02:04 PM PDT by kezekiel
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To: kezekiel

Finally, someone who understands. Some are called to peace, some are called to war. He equips us for the mission we are to fulfill. It is written that He did not come to bring peace.


27 posted on 07/16/2004 1:05:33 PM PDT by lifelongsoldier (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Mohammed didn't have any sons--he only had daughters. Maybe Allah was trying to tell him something.


28 posted on 07/16/2004 1:05:52 PM PDT by Hollywoodghost (Let he who would be free strike the first blow)
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To: Irene Adler
The meaning of the verse is clear. How exactly would "context" change it? I have just re-read the verse and the verses before and after it. I see no ambiguity.

There is a possible interpretation that would suggest Jesus only told them to get a sword so that there would be a sword present in Gethsemane for Peter to use to cut off the servant's ear. Since Jesus has been telling his disciples that prophecy must be fulfilled, one could say that the sole purpose of the sword is to fulfill a prophecy. I think that's a bit weak, though.

29 posted on 07/16/2004 1:07:42 PM PDT by kezekiel
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To: kellynla

Old Mo never said he was God or the Son of the same--He was just the messenger of God. If he was, he got the message twisted all around. In fact he even said Jesus (Yesu) was greater than he was (This he did get right).


30 posted on 07/16/2004 1:07:47 PM PDT by Hollywoodghost (Let he who would be free strike the first blow)
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To: MEGoody
Muhammed is a violent pedophile.

MIGHT I ENHANCE THIS STATEMENT?...

Muhammed is a violent pedophile who died--and stayed dead.

31 posted on 07/16/2004 1:15:06 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! ("We are going to take things away from you for the common good." translated = "I AM A COMMUNIST")
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To: StevenAU

Mother Theresa was very much like Jesus. On the other hand, Osama Bin Laden is very much like Muhammad! 'Nuff said.


32 posted on 07/16/2004 1:18:27 PM PDT by Nataku X (You hear all the time, "Be more like Jesus." But have you ever heard, "Be more like Muhammed"?)
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To: kjam22
I wonder what Jesus would have said about the Israelites slaying Canaanites in the Old Testament. Would he have approved?

I think so!

33 posted on 07/16/2004 1:33:34 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Siamese Princess
To be fair, Christian rulers of the 7th century were by and large a ruthless bunch, but no one holds Justinian and Theodora or any of their royal Christian contemporaries as models for humanity for all time.

What do you mean, "To be fair"? Justinian wasn't the founder of a religion.

34 posted on 07/16/2004 2:14:23 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: kjam22
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

2Kings 19:34 For I will defend this city, to save it, for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake. 35 And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

It does seem that God (and all Christians agree that Jesus is God) does use war to destroy his enemies. So I do not think you can say Jesus is a pacifist.

35 posted on 07/16/2004 2:34:32 PM PDT by protest1
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To: SJSAMPLE
This one is soooooooooooooooooo easy.

Jesus never planned, rehearsed, and executed the slaughter of hundreds of his ideological enemies.

Muh did.

36 posted on 07/16/2004 2:38:47 PM PDT by ChadGore (Vote Bush. He's Earned It.)
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To: conserv13

Do you have that in a bumper sticker?

I want one.....make it five.


mc


37 posted on 07/16/2004 2:39:51 PM PDT by mcshot ("When you don't think too good, don't think too much" Ted Williams)
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To: StevenAU
This is so odd that I saw this article today, I have been thinking deeply on this the past couple days;

Something no one is pointing out is the similarities between Muhammad and David Koresh and L. Ron Hubbard-rather than him and Moses and Jesue. The major difference is that Muhammad was successful in sustaining his flock. Both Muhammad and Koresh used their "deity" to have all the women they could want, including the underaged. All 3 were able to use their "religion" for immense personal wealth and power within their community.

Many would shudder to make this comparison publicly I have thought, like Muhammed personally, forget the crusades where Christian followers, but Muhammed himself used the sword to convert people-and L.Ron using deceitful economic pracities and dishonest marketing to convert-all to follow themselves to their direct benefit.

Jesus was humiliated, left this earth with a tunic and sandles, a handful of followers, and nothing else. The other 3 left with alot more money, women, prestige, and power. History has dismissed L.Ron Hubbard and David Koresh as the selfish, powerhungry frauds they were, I hope for the Arabs that one day they are smart enough to do the same to Muhammed.

38 posted on 07/16/2004 4:17:13 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Recall David Dreier)
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To: Rakkasan1

"If you...have everything spoon fed to you in a madrass
from age 0...you get Ronald McWahabbi."

Well put. Jim Jones was able to do it with so-called Christians, too.


39 posted on 07/16/2004 4:19:21 PM PDT by beelzepug
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To: PeterPrinciple
"Sorry, Jesus is my warrior model....."

Well said. My thoughts exactly.

Allah is not God, and Mohammed is a false prophet.

42 posted on 07/16/2004 4:25:33 PM PDT by Jerry_M (I can only say that I am a poor sinner, trusting in Christ alone for salvation. -- Gen. Robt E. Lee)
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To: StevenAU

Little is to be gained by comparisons. Each life, and that includes our own, should stand upon our behaviour and actions. If there is to be a final judgement, it will not be based on with whom we compare; but if we did our best on earth and never hurt a weaker person deliberately.

Might the good Lord not also take into account our motivations?

Jesus the man, was a Jew, a Rabbi, a learned holy man. He wanted us to love each other. He understood the terrible power of hatred. The history of his people was one of endless suppression and slavery.

Mohammad was a psychopath. He had numerous schiziod episodes, ancient arabic sources describe treatment for epileptic seizures in his youth. Mohammad was abandoned by his mother, became an orphan, lived on the steps of a temple with beggars. He was an anarchist. The people of Medina threw them out.

Mohammad learned from the 'people of the book' - the Jews and Christians, and incorporated their scripture (which he learned orally,) into arabic lore and the Code of Hammurabi; An Eye for an Eye etc...some of which the Hebrews included in the Original Testament.

The koran is nothing but a mish-mash of every ancient ME belief system. Mohammad chose what worked for him. Subjugation to allah is worship of Al-Uzza, Venus the Queen of Heaven. Meteorites were believed by the desert arabs to be rocks thrown by a god who lived on the moon at unbelievers; therefor, if you do not subjugate yourself to allah you will be hit on the head with a burning rock. Evidence shows that three millenia ago, arab nomads carried aeriolites on their travels and considered them sacred.

Mohammad told his followers that every rock that fell from heaven and killed someone, had their name written on it by allah. That's arab fatalism.

There is nothing to be gained or understood by comparing Jesus to Mohammad unless one understands the history of the arabs and the life of the man they call a 'prophet' - who was, IMO probably the most evil, cunning and demented creature our species has as yet produced on earth.

Two Books to read; Ages in Chaos, by Immanuel Velikovsky.
For the most comprehensive history of the ancient ME.

The Life of Muhammad, by Edward Canon Sell. A biography of the man whose terrible legacy the entire world now faces. (see tagline.)



43 posted on 07/16/2004 4:26:17 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
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To: kezekiel
Educate me.

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called Children of God."

Consider yourself educated.

46 posted on 07/16/2004 4:32:41 PM PDT by Trickyguy
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To: StevenAU

If I didn't know better, I would say that Osama Bin ladin is seeking to out do Mohammed by using Jesus as a model to bring about a revolution that will result in a fundamentalist take over.

His pictures strolling through the forrested hills are reminiscant of the many paintings of Jesus. Jesus appealed to the masses and asked them to follow and they did.Among his followers were the Jewish Saccari zealots who are only dimmly outlined but were warriors and fighters against the established order. Jesus made his statement by overthrowing the established order on the Temple grounds. The only teachings of Osama we hear are the messages of war but I am certain that his other teachings in Arabic are of a religious nature.

If he wins, he will achieve the historical stature of Mohammed and of Jesus.


47 posted on 07/16/2004 4:39:04 PM PDT by bert (Don't Panic !)
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To: Trickyguy
Consider yourself educated.

On the contrary, I consider myself trolled. If that's what passes for a demonstration of superior Biblical insight, then I withdraw my request to be taught.

49 posted on 07/16/2004 4:56:37 PM PDT by kezekiel
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...and from the same sermon:

Beware false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth fort evil fruit.

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down and cast into the fire.

50 posted on 07/16/2004 4:56:51 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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