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Why Does the World Hate Israel?
Town Hall ^ | July 18, 2004 | Herbert London

Posted on 07/17/2004 9:30:38 PM PDT by quidnunc

Israel is a tiny nation, roughly half the size of Lake Michigan.  Its population is roughly half the size of the New York metropolitan area.  Despite being a Jewish state, more than twenty percent of its residents are Arab and most Jews in Israel describe themselves as secular rather than religious.

Yet if one were to read world press accounts or daily condemnations from the United Nations or the recent decision of the ICJ criticizing the construction of the fence, you might conclude that Israel is a world power intent on destabilizing Middle East affairs.

Why, it might well be postulated, does the world resent this speck of land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean?

Although my comments are speculative, I suspect they could be borne out empirically if historical accounts were fair and objective.

Israel is a thorn in the side of the Arab world because it is a remarkable technological phantasmagoria.  Almost every Israeli is engaged in a software scheme.  The Jews in this arid nation have made the deserts bloom; they have converted brain power into technical marvels and consequent wealth.

By contrast every nearby Arab nation is dysfunctional.  Their governments are tyrannical; the people are poor and uneducated and local officials have been unwilling to convert oil revenue into social benefits.

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I believe one reason Europe hates Israel is that Israel refuses to kowtow to the "international community" and insists on exercising its sovereignty.

This attitude is anathma to the Euro crapweasels.

1 posted on 07/17/2004 9:30:40 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
ENVY.

Israel survives and improves against all odds. Everybody hates a winner, because it wasn't them.

2 posted on 07/17/2004 9:36:27 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: quidnunc
Why Does the World Hate Israel?

Is it really possible to answer this question?

It would take volumes to approach something close a comprehensive historical analysis.

3 posted on 07/17/2004 9:36:34 PM PDT by zarf
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To: quidnunc

Marker at atrocity site Babiy Yar, Ukraine. "My pain is always before me" (Psalms 38,18)

Perhaps it's just guilt?

4 posted on 07/17/2004 9:45:38 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: quidnunc
I believe the answer is in the spiritual realm.

If you examine it from a Biblical world view: Israel was intended to be God's chosen people through which the Messiah was to come. The Old Testament is replete with stories whereby they endured horrific wars & exile but God miraculously preserved the Messianic bloodline many times and viola' Jesus the Christ was born - Hence the New testament.

Though it was God's original plan being worked through human elements, when the Jewish Leaders demanded Jesus's death and swore 'His blood be on us and our children' it was the dumbest thing in history imho; this invoked the curse whereby not only has Satan's minions has targeted Israel for destruction because of Messiah, but those fateful words did more harm as well.

My 2 cents...

5 posted on 07/17/2004 9:45:42 PM PDT by prophetic
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To: quidnunc
One thought in the back of my mind is that Europe has hated Jews for so long, that it's now a part of their cultures. After the embarrasment of the Holocaust, they supported the creation of a "Jewish Homeland." But I've long belived that it wasn't out of a sense of guilt. I believe that for many in Europe, getting rid of the Jews was something that they have always wanted, and since they weren't successful during WWII, they thought, "Let's just let the arabs kill the Jews. Plus, we'll get them all into one location to make it easier!"

Maybe I need a tin foil hat here, but I don't think so.

Mark

6 posted on 07/17/2004 9:46:22 PM PDT by MarkL (The meek shall inherit the earth... But usually in plots 6' x 3' x 6' deep...)
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To: quidnunc

All through history cultures have tried to annihilate Israel.

They cannot succeed.

The reason is spiritual warfare.

Everything in the Bible has come true so far. HISstory shows that those who protect Israel prosper , those that try to destroy her fall to ruin

It is always demonic influence. Talk to any Jew hater and you will discover that the arguments are insane.


7 posted on 07/17/2004 9:48:15 PM PDT by Freesofar (HEY sKERRY......it's the war on terror, stupid !)
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To: Navy Patriot
"Israel survives and improves against all odds. Everybody hates a winner, because it wasn't them."

And the reason America stands alone with Israel is because, as Patton said, "Americans love a winner."
8 posted on 07/17/2004 9:49:46 PM PDT by Terpfen (James Lileks: "A single death... is a tragedy. A million deaths is a U.N. committee report.")
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To: Freesofar

I don't think it's about anti-Jewishness with all due respect although there is a bit of that especially in the areas of Muslim influence obviously.

I think many parts of the world including the third world, leftist Europe and here simply loathe strength and the will to use it.

The many Jews on the left here in the US who are ambivalent about Israel don't hate their Jewish cousins there. They just don't like the way they behave. It's not Tikkun Olam enough for overly idealistic American Jews who have grown soft.


9 posted on 07/17/2004 9:54:13 PM PDT by wardaddy (Bill Cosby for Black Culture Czar!)
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To: quidnunc

Its a boogyman thing.

As long as Arab leaders can point to the great and might Oz, their rabble will not pay attention to that man behind the curtain.

Why were moslem militants able to demonize teh USA? Because the USA never fought back. The usa was a safe target and an occasional attack brought no consequences. (cole, embassies, etc...)


10 posted on 07/17/2004 10:03:49 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: quidnunc
It really doesn't matter, does it? The Israelis intend to survive without asking anyone's permission (and that includes permission of the U.N or the French.)
11 posted on 07/17/2004 10:05:00 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: quidnunc

Europeans discriminated against Jews for a long time, killing millions of them. It galls Europe that Jews can succeed as a nation, and become a force that even Europe should respect and fear. Naturally, I support Israel.


12 posted on 07/17/2004 10:08:04 PM PDT by Tax Government
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To: Freesofar
The reason is spiritual warfare. Everything in the Bible has come true so far. HISstory shows that those who protect Israel prosper , those that try to destroy her fall to ruin It is always demonic influence. Talk to any Jew hater and you will discover that the arguments are insane.

Exactly. Those who don't understand God and His people, and the hatred of the Devil and the lost world against Israel, will never comprehend what is happening today.

13 posted on 07/17/2004 10:09:02 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: quidnunc

As others have posted, Jew hatred is irrational and insane, psychopathic, and likely has it roots in the spiritual realm. I am always amazed when jew hatred springs up in people I know, right out of the blue.

Shortly after 911, an airliner went down in flames on the east coast. Everyone expected it was because of more terrorism. We were all still very anxious because of 911 and and the incident brought back the fears of that day. My friend suddenly broke into a frenzy of jew hatred, saying that we would not have this mess if it wasn't for them....that the islamic radicals would leave us alone save for Israel and the Jews.

I lit into him with logic and reason that denied his ridiculous claim and we almost came to blows. Our friendship has never been the same since....he still hates jews. Insane!


14 posted on 07/17/2004 10:26:07 PM PDT by fizziwig
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To: quidnunc

As to Israel's enemies, they should know from history, that Israel "will outlast them all"!


15 posted on 07/17/2004 10:49:15 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: quidnunc

Nope. The main reason is that Islam owns Indonesia, most of Africa, the Middle East, France and England.


16 posted on 07/17/2004 10:52:01 PM PDT by Bommer (RIP Ronald Reagan!)
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To: quidnunc

Israel and Jew loving Ping!


17 posted on 07/17/2004 10:55:26 PM PDT by Robert Lomax
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To: Navy Patriot

Indeed, and someone wrote a few months ago in a Jewish newspaper, that Americans are the new Jews. Hated by the world for the same reasons Israel is.


18 posted on 07/17/2004 11:00:00 PM PDT by hershey
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To: hershey
Indeed, and someone wrote a few months ago in a Jewish newspaper, that Americans are the new Jews. Hated by the world for the same reasons Israel is.

Bingo!

19 posted on 07/17/2004 11:04:18 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: quidnunc

Because the God of Israel IS God.


20 posted on 07/17/2004 11:17:31 PM PDT by Gal.5:1 (FReeping near SF)
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To: Jorge
Exactly. Those who don't understand God and His people, and the hatred of the Devil and the lost world against Israel, will never comprehend what is happening today.

Agree!

21 posted on 07/17/2004 11:21:36 PM PDT by ladyinred (What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about? Become a monthly donor and find out!!!)
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To: Alouette; Salem; SJackson

Herbert London (archive)


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Israel is a tiny nation, roughly half the size of Lake Michigan. Its population is roughly half the size of the New York metropolitan area. Despite being a Jewish state, more than twenty percent of its residents are Arab and most Jews in Israel describe themselves as secular rather than religious.

Yet if one were to read world press accounts or daily condemnations from the United Nations or the recent decision of the ICJ criticizing the construction of the fence, you might conclude that Israel is a world power intent on destabilizing Middle East affairs.

Why, it might well be postulated, does the world resent this speck of land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean?

Although my comments are speculative, I suspect they could be borne out empirically if historical accounts were fair and objective.

Israel is a thorn in the side of the Arab world because it is a remarkable technological phantasmagoria. Almost every Israeli is engaged in a software scheme. The Jews in this arid nation have made the deserts bloom; they have converted brain power into technical marvels and consequent wealth.

By contrast every nearby Arab nation is dysfunctional. Their governments are tyrannical; the people are poor and uneducated and local officials have been unwilling to convert oil revenue into social benefits.

Resentment is the natural result of this contrast. Afterall, Israel has all of the geographic disadvantages of its neighbors and it doesn't have any oil fields. Yet it prospers, while others falter.

Second, it should be hastily noted that Israel is a proxy for anti-American sentiment. The misguided belief that the U.S. is an imperial power eager to put its stamp on the Middle East is demonstrated by the aid and support given to Israel. Rarely, is it noted by U.S. detractors that American assistance to Egypt is equal to aid for Israel. Moreover, American involvement in Iraq was neither precipitated by Israel (Does the tail wag the dog?) nor has this engagement influenced Israel’s relations with her neighbors in any new directions.

Third, the Palestinian question has awakened emotions on the European left and in many Arab states. Yet remarkably the critique of Israel is generally quite banal. Arafat, as putative Palestinian leader, was granted 97 percent of the West Bank and some control over holy sites in the negotiation at Wye Plantation. Yet he turned down these generous Israeli terms.

In fact, there aren’t any terms that serve the ambitions of Arabs eager to destroy the state of Israel, unless, of course, national suicide is a reasonable negotiating point.

Fourth, the fence has the metaphorical power of the Berlin Wall. It is used for propaganda purposes to argue that Israel is intent on “taking Arab land” and isolating itself from Palestinians.

What should be noted is that the Berlin Wall was created to keep East Germans bound to the chains of communism, while the Israeli fence is designed to prevent suicide bombers from continuing wreaking bloodshed among Israelis.

Intifada II has resulted in at least a thousand dead Israeli citizens since 2000 and others maimed as well. It is encumbent on any leader of any nation to offer his people a modicum of security against those bent on bloodshed. If the fence reduces threats and increases security, Prime Minister Sharon should embrace it. His duty to protect his own people transcends any obligation imposed on him from multilateral organizations.

Fifth, the Palestinians have made their case to the international court of public opinion more effectively than the Israeli government. They have positioned themselves as underdogs against a mighty military force from tiny Israel. They have persuaded many of their supporters that the land Israel acquired after the ‘67 war is “occupied” rather than “disputed” territory. Hence, their sanguinic tactics are ignored by opinion markers normally opposed to terrorist activity.

Sixth, the Palestinians manage their news media. There isn’t an opposition voice in the Palestinian territory and if an unpredictable comment is made, it is often squelched with force. Reporters Without Borders has reported numerous occasions where journalists were beaten when they challenged Hamas or Hezbollah positions in print.

Israel, as an open and free society, entertains every point of view, including anti Israel arguments. As a consequence, criticism of Israel is widespread and criticism of Palestinian activity muted.

Seventh, the United Nations is now systematically organized to criticize the United States and Israel. It is instructive that in a statement emanating from the Secretariat’s office condemning the construction of the fence, not a word was mentioned about suicide bombers who precipitated the construction.

As I see there is very little that can be done at the moment to change international opinion. Israel has an obligation to its own people to remain resolute against usually unfair and hateful allegations. For the Middle East this is the Dark Ages. But if the Arab world wishes to enter the 21st century – a far from clear conclusion – it will have to adopt and perhaps emulate much of Israeli life. On that slim reed, hope shall continue to exist.

Herbert London is president of Hudson Institute and the John M. Olin Professor of Humanities at New York University. He is publisher of American Outlook magazine and author of the recently published book, Decade of Denial (Lexington Books) and is reachable through www.benadorassociates.com.


22 posted on 07/17/2004 11:27:19 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: ladyinred
Dittos. Back in the 1800's, popular interpretation of the Bible said the Nation of Israel referred to in the End Times was an allegorical reference to Christians, who assumed the mantel of Judaism, ie; that people who accepted Christ were the new Jews. The reason they believed this was because Israel hadn't existed for 2000 years, and nobody believed it would ever come back. What's funny is that even the Europeans who voted to create the Jewish state thought the Arabs would massacre them quickly, and that would get the Jews out of Europe, and keep the blood off the Europeans hands.

I've broken a lot of the things I should do as a Christian, but one thing I know is that those who stand against Israel are standing against God's chosen people.

23 posted on 07/18/2004 12:04:18 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (To expect the government to save you is to be a bystander in your own fate.)
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To: zarf

"The world" does not hate Israel unless 280 million Americans don't count as part of the world.

FFrance has a large Muslim population and many of the Balkan
states are largely Muslim....this has had a bad influence on Europe's opinion of Israel.


24 posted on 07/18/2004 12:17:39 AM PDT by Bushbacker
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To: fizziwig

I had an almost identical experience.It did'nt change our friendship.It ended it.


25 posted on 07/18/2004 1:00:25 AM PDT by SirLurkedalot (God bless our Veterans!!! And God bless America!!!)
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Everyone in my home thinks it will be US and Israel against the world someday.


26 posted on 07/18/2004 4:22:09 AM PDT by freeplancer
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To: Gal.5:1

Amen and amen


27 posted on 07/18/2004 4:25:10 AM PDT by combat_boots
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To: freeplancer

Looks that way to me, too. But the righteous man feareth God more than man.


28 posted on 07/18/2004 4:26:08 AM PDT by combat_boots
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To: combat_boots

10-4 good buddy.


29 posted on 07/18/2004 5:06:27 AM PDT by freeplancer
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To: Jorge

Right on, you hit the nail on the head, bingo and Amen.


30 posted on 07/18/2004 7:23:44 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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I ask all FReepers to pray for the safety of my son in the IDF, who is on duty in the Jordan Valley.

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31 posted on 07/18/2004 7:24:44 AM PDT by Alouette ("Your children like olive trees seated round your table." -- Psalm 128:3)
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To: freeplancer

This is the conclusion I have recently reached.

When asked for a definitive answer as to why I staunchly support America, it is that America supports Israel.

No matter what happens, those who bless Israel are on the right side and will be blessed...and I believe it will be Israel and America standing alone in the world.


32 posted on 07/18/2004 7:29:07 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: combat_boots; freeplancer

I'll be real blunt.May the Lord CURSE me if I turn my back on Israel!


33 posted on 07/18/2004 7:31:09 AM PDT by SirLurkedalot (God bless our Veterans!!! And God bless America!!!)
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To: Alouette

Thanks for the ping.(you've got mail)


34 posted on 07/18/2004 7:32:34 AM PDT by SirLurkedalot (God bless our Veterans!!! And God bless America!!!)
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If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
35 posted on 07/18/2004 7:32:59 AM PDT by SJackson (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good, Hillary Clinton)
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To: quidnunc
I believe one reason Europe hates Israel is that Israel refuses to kowtow to the "international community" and insists on exercising its sovereignty.

No. Its because its full of Jews. Continental Europeans hate Jews. If there wasn't a Hitler in 1933, there would have been a clone of him sometime after that. If Eurpoe continues on its course, there will be another one soon enough.

36 posted on 07/18/2004 7:41:45 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: freeplancer
Everyone in my home thinks it will be US and Israel against the world someday.

Everyone in my home thinks is is US and Israel against the world yesterday... -grin-

37 posted on 07/18/2004 7:56:13 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: quidnunc

There are only two forces at work in the world...God and Satan

God made a covenant with Abraham through Isaac and Jacob...God calls Abraham...Israel

Jesus' humaness comes through that same covenant...Abraham - Israel

Everything oppsed to Israel is opposed to God the Creator aka God the Son aka Jesus Christ
and everyone who sides with Israel and Christ


38 posted on 07/18/2004 7:58:26 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Alouette

But of course Alouette, I hope he is having the time of his life. Jordan valley was Unbelievably hot yesterday, I drove through there. Much nicer today. Perhaps he was one of the soldiers I waved at!

Blessings on you and yours, Jordan valley is not a bad tour of duty.


39 posted on 07/18/2004 7:58:42 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: quidnunc

Why does the world hate Israel ?

The world hates Israel because the world hates the G-d of Israel. It really is that simple. You can look in any heart and know it. It is the exception, rather than the rule, that blooms and blossoms in the hearts of men and women.

40 posted on 07/18/2004 8:00:58 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: quidnunc; Alouette
Why Does the World Hate Israel?

Because of the Bechirah.

What solutions are possible?

Either (1)HaShem will have to withdraw the Bechirah (which won't happen), or (2)Israel must impose the Kingdom of HaShem on all the world, thus ending the resentment of the Nations of the World for the unpleasant fact that Israel's G-d is True and theirs are false (which, if current habits of thought are maintained, won't happen any time soon).

41 posted on 07/18/2004 9:45:14 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Eagerly counting down to Ro'sh HaShanah 6001!)
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To: quidnunc

Hatred of Israel is anti-Jewish hatred, pure and simple. If you doubt this, ask yourself: with everything else being equal, down to the last detail of policy, ideology, economy, everything, except that the nation was a slightly ethnically different breed of moslem population--just a dffierent tribe of Arabs, say, how much hatred would there be for it?

How much would Europe or the World "Court of Justice" condemn a small Arab state for fighting a defenseive battle against external terrorists?

Who would see the "Palestinians" as victims if they were attacking another group of Arabs instead of a nation of Jews?


42 posted on 07/18/2004 9:57:39 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: prophetic
I believe the answer is in the spiritual realm.

If you examine it from a Biblical world view: Israel was intended to be God's chosen people through which the Messiah was to come... [Deletia]

...when the Jewish Leaders demanded Jesus's death and swore 'His blood be on us and our children' it was the dumbest thing in history...

Well, yes, it was dumb thing to say, but it is not the cause of the world's hatred of Israel.

Israel was called as God's chosen people. Through all the sins, apostasy, rebellion, blunders and sheer stupidity committed by Israel, they remain God's chosen. The natural man hates God and all things Godly. The intensity of the world's hatred of Israel is a barometer by which we can sense how much of the world is "natural" and how much of the world is moved by the promptings of the spirit.

43 posted on 07/18/2004 10:17:49 AM PDT by night reader
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To: prophetic

"His blood be on us and our children"

They swore that and God gave them what they asked for. Jerusalem, the Temple, and most all of the Jewish inhabitants of Jerusalem were destroyed by the Roman army in A.D. 70.

That doesn't mean the oath applies to all of their descendents 2,000 years later as well.


44 posted on 07/18/2004 12:23:10 PM PDT by webstersII
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"It really doesn't matter, does it? ...

Not in the long run if they want to make it come to "push comes to shove."

"Israel is a small state with a small population. It's a democracy and it exists in a neighborhood where many–over a period of time–have opined from time to time that they'd prefer it not be there and they'd like it to be put in the sea. And Israel has opined that it would prefer not to get put in the sea, and as a result, over a period of decades, it has arranged itself so it hasn't been put in the sea."—Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.






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45 posted on 07/18/2004 2:47:06 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: prophetic
I don't want to refight this, but both the historical record and the Christian scriptures create a much more nuanced story.
1. THE leaders had little to do with Jesus death. The collaborationist leaders, installed by the Romans and their vassal Edomite uspurping Herodians, convinced the Romans to do away with Jesus for the preservation of order. Caiaphas was no more legitimate than Marshall Petain in France or Prime Minister Quisling in Norway.
2. The blood curse shows the ignorance or contempt of the LAW by the crowd as there is no inter-generational blood guilt allowed under God's Laws.
46 posted on 07/19/2004 12:36:06 AM PDT by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: Salem

bttt


47 posted on 07/19/2004 3:39:08 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: quidnunc
Why does the world hate Israel? There are actually two simple answers --
  1. If the country is anIslamic country then it hates Israel (and Spain and Portugal and Serbia and Greece and India) because according to the Korn any land that was once owned by mooslimes is to be forever mooslime.
  2. If it's a nonislamci state then they hate Israel because they need Saudislamic oil
Give them a way to throw off the threat of slamic oil cuts and they'll all support Israel.
48 posted on 07/19/2004 4:25:40 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Bushbacker
FFrance has a large Muslim population and many of the Balkan states are largely Muslim....this has had a bad influence on Europe's opinion of Israel

Well, France has only~2% mooslimes, in the Balkans you only have Albania and Bosnia that have large slammie populations and these aren't firm slammies -- still influenced by communism, and we have a good chance to bring them back to Christianity (they were Christian as recently as the 1700s), we had a better chance in the 1990s but Clintoon let that slip and the Serbs with their anti-ethnic genocides preferred to ignore the possibility of converting them (it's easier to attack mooslimes as if you convert them then you're attacking members of your own faith).

Albania still has its own Orthodox church and a large number are Catholic -- and both congregations are expanding (IN Albania I might add, there doesn't seem to be any headway in Kosovo, maybe it's because of hardening of attitudes on both sides there?) and hopefully we may have a Christian Albania once more.

however this is dependent on killing the heart of the terrorist hydra -- Saudi A and Pakiistan.
49 posted on 07/19/2004 4:35:30 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: prophetic

Amen. In addition to a lot of the other answers on this forum, people are forgetting that this is truly a spiritual battle.


50 posted on 07/19/2004 6:06:59 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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