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50 Ancient Tombs Uncovered (1400BC, Crete)
The Australian ^ | 7-18-2004

Posted on 07/18/2004 1:17:56 PM PDT by blam

50 ancient tombs uncovered

From correspondents in Athens
July 18, 2004

ARCHEOLOGISTS have discovered 50 tombs dating back to the late Minoan period, around 1400 BC, and containing a number of artifacts on the Greek island of Crete, ANA news agency reported today.

The tombs were part of the once powerful ancient city of Kydonia, which was destroyed at the time but later rebuilt.

The oldest among them contained bronze weapons, jewellery and vases and are similar to the tombs of fallen soldiers of the Mycenaean type from mainland Greece, said the head of the excavations, Maria Vlazaki.

The more recent family tombs are of a more traditional Kydonia type.

Earlier excavations in the area in northwest Crete near the town of Chania had already yielded some 100 burial sites


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I've read that after Thera blew in 1628BC and sent tsunamis over Crete destroying the Minoan civilizations...the Mycenaens came in and 'cleaned-up'.
1 posted on 07/18/2004 1:17:58 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 07/18/2004 1:18:31 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
50 ancient tombs uncovered

Each filled with registered democrats and Kerry 2004 bumper stickers.

3 posted on 07/18/2004 1:28:55 PM PDT by Boss_Jim_Gettys (I am a Republican attack dog.)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


4 posted on 07/18/2004 1:46:40 PM PDT by solitas (I just want to hear three words from kerry: "Oh, my heart!")
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To: blam
Minoan Civilization 3000-1400BC
5 posted on 07/18/2004 1:47:36 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("I served in Viet Nam, and we have better hair"----John F'n Kerry campaign platform)
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To: Boss_Jim_Gettys

"Each filled with registered democrats and Kerry 2004 bumper stickers."

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!


6 posted on 07/18/2004 1:48:08 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: jocon307

Don't laugh. I'll lay you 10-to-1 that a bunch of these corpses vote in the 2004 election.


7 posted on 07/18/2004 2:02:27 PM PDT by Renfield (Philosophy chair at the University of Wallamalloo!!)
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To: blam

Good, maybe one of them will have a Minoan-Mycenaean dictionary in it. Or Minoan-Anything, I'm not picky.


8 posted on 07/18/2004 2:06:08 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: NautiNurse
That link informs us that Crete was overwhelmed by cataclysm around 1400 BC...isn't that the same time of the Exodus?

I've read before that the Red Sea crossing was connected with the eruption of Thera. Things that make you go hmmmmm...

9 posted on 07/18/2004 2:26:50 PM PDT by what's up
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"That link informs us that Crete was overwhelmed by cataclysm around 1400 BC...isn't that the same time of the Exodus?"

Most date the Exodus to about 1450BC. I date it to the time of the Thera eruption which was in 1628BC +-.

10 posted on 07/18/2004 3:20:53 PM PDT by blam
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To: *Gods, Graves, Glyphs; blam; FairOpinion; farmfriend; StayAt HomeMother; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; ...
Thanks Blam!
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on or off the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list -- Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.

11 posted on 07/18/2004 5:46:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: blam
I read the same thing...somewhere.

Still,this discovery should provide some interesting new info.

12 posted on 07/18/2004 5:58:21 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: blam; what's up
I've read that after Thera blew in 1628BC and sent tsunamis over Crete destroying the Minoan civilizations.
The idea of the tsunami was dreamed up decades ago. The 1628 BC date for the eruption was seized on due to some chronology problems in the Near East (ahem) and derived from proxy data from Greenland. The actual experts refuted that date by noting that the chemical signatures not only don't match Thera's. Others noted that there are a variety of other traces of eruptions much later than 1628 BC.

None of those eruption traces have been matched with Thera's. All of them are probably from Icelandic volcanoes.

The caldera at Thera is prehistoric (see the Dartmouth website on "Bronze Age Aegean", I think it's chapter 17). The island wasn't a big, unsullied circle that suddenly had its center blown out in historical times. The burial of the towns on the island doesn't even match the depth laid down by Vesuvius in 79 AD (not even close). Herodotus doesn't speak of any eruption or other disaster, but does discuss the island. The only historical reference to an eruption is from 200 BC, centuries after Herodotus (and after Plato, for those "into" the Thera-was-Atlantis equation).

13 posted on 07/18/2004 5:58:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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I just saw an (new) hour long documentary last week about Thera and the tsunami that destroyed the civilization on Crete. I sat and waited (baited-breath) for their date. I almost clapped when they said it happened in 1645BC.

And, Professor Mike Baillie, in his excellent book Exodus To Arthur using tree-rings, makes a compelling case for a 1628BC date for the Thera explosion. On page 58 of that book he says:"In 1987, data regarding a new acid layer at 1645+/-20 BC, in the important Dye 3 ice core from Greenland, was published. Claus Hammer and his co-workers suggested that this new date might be Santorini..."

Also, I think the ancient Egyptian dates are highly suspect.

14 posted on 07/18/2004 6:36:48 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
"The only historical reference to an eruption is from 200 BC, centuries after Herodotus (and after Plato, for those "into" the Thera-was-Atlantis equation)."

I definately do not believe Thera/Santorini was the location of Atlantis. I'm presently looking towards SE Asia for Atlantis, 8-9,000 years ago.

15 posted on 07/18/2004 6:40:31 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Ever since reading about it in high school, Crete has always fascinated me.

Such a mysterious island and with such interesting people. I always wondered if it was the true cradle of civiliazation instead of Iraq.

16 posted on 07/18/2004 6:51:01 PM PDT by Shanda
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" I always wondered if it was the true cradle of civiliazation instead of Iraq."

Neither. Look east during the Ice Age.

Lost Civilization From 7,500BC Discovered Off Indian Coast

17 posted on 07/18/2004 6:59:12 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Yes but did they have flush toilets?

That is what I call civilized.

18 posted on 07/18/2004 7:11:51 PM PDT by Shanda
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To: blam

Crete just had a 5 or 6 in the past week. Just a matter of time, it's going to go again.


19 posted on 07/18/2004 7:17:00 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: blam
Found this in a file (wonders never cease) here on my father's machine (I must have saved it once upon a time)...
Debate erupts anew:
Did Thera's explosion
doom Minoan Crete?

William J. Broad NYT
Thursday, October 23, 2003
In 1939, Spyridon Marinatos, a Greek archaeologist, proposed that the eruption wrecked Minoan culture on Thera and Crete. He envisioned the damage as done by associated earthquakes and tsunamis. While geologists found tsunamis credible, they doubted the destructive power of Thera's earthquakes, saying volcanic ones tend to be relatively mild... Despite the power of Thera, the Danish scientists' evidence raised doubts about its links to the Minoan decline. Their date for Thera's explosion, 1645 B.C., based on frozen ash in Greenland, is some 150 years earlier than the usual date. Given that the Minoan fall was usually dated to 1450 B.C., the gap between cause and effect seemed too large. Another blow landed in 1989 when scholars on Crete found, above a Thera ash layer, a house that had been substantially rebuilt in the Minoan style. It suggested at least partial cultural survival. By 1996, experts like Jeremy Rutter, head of classics at Dartmouth, judged the chronological gap too extreme for any linkage. "No direct correlation can be established" between the volcano and the Minoan decline, he concluded.
Re: When did Thera Erupt?
by Peter James
The truth of the matter is quite simple. There was once only one sulphur spike great enough to match Thera because budgetary restraints on the ice core work meant that such peaks had not been systematically looked for. Second millennium ice cores have now been searched more thoroughly, and there are peaks of sulphuric acid easily enough to match Thera (which vulcanologists say was not the kind of eruption to shoot out that much sulphur anyway), at NUMEROUS dates within the 18th, 17th, 16th, 15th, 14th centuries BC (see Zielinski et al in Science 264, 1994, pp. 948-952). The REAL FACTS show not only how pathetic is the case for the 17th-century proxy dating.
Geoarchaeology:
The Earth-Science Approach to Archaeological Interpretation

by George (Rip) Rapp, Jr. and Christopher L. Hill
p 158-159 -- "Artifacts from Akrotiri, linked to the Egyptian calendar [sic] put the Thera eruption at more than a hundred years later [than 1644 +/- 20 BC]. While the controversy remains open, it is our view that the volcanic activity recorded in the Greenland ice core more likely came from nearby Iceland than from the eastern Mediterranean (this may be testable by any chemical signature).

p 166 -- "Living samples from a freshwater lake on limestone terrain have been known to give a radiocarbon date of up to 1600 BP."
Bronze Age Myths?
Volcanic Activity and Human Response in the Mediterranean and North Atlantic Region

Paul C. Buckland
Andrew J. Dugmore
Kevin J. Edwards
Antiquity Vol. 71 (1997), pp. 581-593.
A first rule of statistics is that the existence of a correlation does not itself prove a causal connection... This paper examines some of the available evidence for these two Bronze Age 'catastrophes', the one real and in need of a calendar date, the other hypothesized on archaeological grounds and dated by a tenuous link through tree rings to an Icelandic volcano... Despite several cautionary comments from both archaeologists (Manning 1988; Warren 1988) and geologists (Pyle 1989; 1990), the 1628 BC date, or one close to it, continues to be accepted (e.g. Michael and Betancourt 1988), without questioning why the effects of the Santorini eruption should be especially recognizable in the ice-core and tree-ring sequences. Large-scale explosive volcanic activity is common on a global scale (Zielinski et al. 1996), and so before accepting the possibility that the Santorini eruption can be recognized by unusual perturbations in the regional records of ice-cores or tree-rings, the case for its distinctive character must be proved.
The Thera (Santorini) Volcanic Eruption and
the Absolute Chronology of the Aegean Bronze Age

by Sturt W. Manning
...It is argued that the key Late Minoan IA period, the high point of the Minoan civilisation, was not, as conventionally held, contemporary (even in part) with the New Kingdom (18th Dynasty) of Egypt, nor the Late Bronze 1 phase of the Levant. Instead, the Late Minoan IA period in the Aegean is linked with the late Middle Bronze Age of Syria-Palestine, the Second Intermediate (Hyksos) Period of Egypt, and the Late Cypriot IA period of Cyprus. This is an important realignment of cultural synchronisations. The high point of Crete should be considered in terms of the dominant Canaanite trading system of the late Middle Bronze Age, and not New Kingdom Egypt...

Appendix 2: Why the standard chronologies are approximately correct, and why radical re-datings are therefore incorrect.
Interestingly enough, Manning cites Lesson 17: Akrotiri on Thera which, while it toes the line regarding the current dating fictions, also notes that:
"More recently, the vulcanologists have claimed that the Santorini caldera formed quite gradually and that a tidal wave, if indeed there was one at all, would not have been on anything like the scale envisaged by Marinatos and other proponents of the link between the Theran volcano and the sudden decline of Neopalatial Crete."

20 posted on 07/18/2004 7:41:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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