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'Fair and Balanced': False Advertising? (DNC Hit Squad Attacks FOX News)
Broadcasting and Cable ^ | 7/18/04 | John Higgins

Posted on 07/18/2004 2:47:03 PM PDT by gopwinsin04

Breaking News 7/18/2004 12:00PM

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The credibility of Rupert Murdochs news empire is under attack.

MoveOn.org a libera advocacy group, plans to file a complaint on July 19 with the Federal Trade Commission charging that FOX News channel's motto 'Fair and Balanced; is decepting advertising.

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1 posted on 07/18/2004 2:47:05 PM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04
"MoveOn.org ... plans to file a complaint on July 19 with the Federal Trade Commission charging that FOX News channel's motto 'Fair and Balanced; is decepting advertising.

LOL.

2 posted on 07/18/2004 2:50:13 PM PDT by we_will_prevail
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To: gopwinsin04

This is an act of desperation, plain and simple.


3 posted on 07/18/2004 2:50:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (yes. As a matter of fact, my legs are broke.)
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To: gopwinsin04
actually, to compare fox news' ratings against the sum of the ratings of rest of the cable news nets may be a good predictor of this novs election results.
4 posted on 07/18/2004 2:52:39 PM PDT by eleven_eleven (canadia = land of nothing)
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To: cripplecreek

"This is an act of desperation, plain and simple."

It truly is, these people are in complete melt down. They are under the bed drinking the cheap whiskey. Kedwards is their metrosexual man, and the best they can do is sue Fox News over its slogan. Yeah, that's working for me, not.


5 posted on 07/18/2004 2:53:09 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: gopwinsin04

And when will they sue over "All the news thats fit to print"?


6 posted on 07/18/2004 2:54:04 PM PDT by stljoe71
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To: we_will_prevail

I guess the their next targets will be anyone who uses the term...New and Improved!!!


7 posted on 07/18/2004 2:55:01 PM PDT by Dacus943
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To: cripplecreek
no its not simply an act of desperation.. its an integral part of a vigorous and thorough campaign to win in nov. reps should be showing such creativity, urgency, and energy.
8 posted on 07/18/2004 2:56:07 PM PDT by eleven_eleven (canadia = land of nothing)
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To: gopwinsin04

Know my reply to moveon?

Fox news IS Fair and Balanced but hey, ya know what? I say to them if ya don't like it don't watch it. What goes around comes around and personally I'm sick and tired of this group of whiners. Everhthing is OK when they do it but not us. Fox needs to stand up and tell them what for. Well, deal with it Moveon.org or whatever it is cause Fox News is HERE TO STAY!!!


9 posted on 07/18/2004 2:56:51 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush...he will prevail in spite of the naysayers)
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To: cripplecreek

"This is an act of desperation, plain and simple."

I agree.


10 posted on 07/18/2004 2:58:37 PM PDT by Arpege92 (Moore is so fat that when he hauls a$$ it takes two trips - tractorman!)
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To: gopwinsin04

Bwahahaha...and what, pray tell, is MooOn.org's motto??? From each according to their productivity, to each according to their greed???


11 posted on 07/18/2004 2:59:57 PM PDT by E=MC<sup>2</sup> (kerry promises universal health care, and if he were elected, those left alive would ALL need it.)
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To: cripplecreek

> This is an act of desperation, plain and simple.

They may be trying to head off being shutdown themselves
when the BCRA kicks in shortly.

It's hard to see what standing the complaint has, because
Fox for the most part is NOT selling a product that people
directly pay for (otherwise, I'm sure they could get some
of Edwards' cronies to file a class action on behalf of
the injured :-)

But it might serve Fox to change their tag line.
When you blend truth with falsehood,
the result is still not truth.


12 posted on 07/18/2004 3:02:45 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: Arpege92

Seems to fit with Ralph Naders comments about a democratic "watergate". Dick Morris has said that the "clinton plumbers" were involved in this election, And pat Cadell said that the "Vampires" working for thedemocrats would expose themselves when the time was right.

Thats 3 lefties all saying that the democrats are up to no good.


13 posted on 07/18/2004 3:04:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (yes. As a matter of fact, my legs are broke.)
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To: gopwinsin04

HEY, Elton John!!Look what MoveOn.org a libera advocacy group is trying to do to Fox News. Is this what you meant by; "bullying tactics", "fear factor", "hindering free speach" and "censorship in U.S."?


14 posted on 07/18/2004 3:06:03 PM PDT by shiva
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To: gopwinsin04
MoveOn.org

O.K. - Then by their logic, we could sue them for not moving on, right?

15 posted on 07/18/2004 3:06:10 PM PDT by MamaTexan (Logic and reason are your FRiends! (unless you're a Democrat :-p)
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To: stljoe71
And when will they sue over "All the news thats fit to print"?

I remember reading a New York Times parody as a child (Mad magazine, I think), where their slogan was "All the news that fits, we print."

I now think that it should be "All the news that fits our agenda, we print."

-PJ

16 posted on 07/18/2004 3:09:24 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: gopwinsin04

Ok, I'll bite. What's "decepting" mean, anyway? Danged 'rats, can't spell...


17 posted on 07/18/2004 3:11:02 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: gopwinsin04
Methinks these fellows have been a bit too deep into this...


18 posted on 07/18/2004 3:15:53 PM PDT by Gritty ("belatedly, Kerry has grasped his shrill fans are not just trivial but stark-raving mad-VD Hanson)
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To: MizSterious

> What's "decepting" mean, anyway?

It means that the basenote poster re-typed the abstract,
instead of doing a copy'n'paste. The original article
does not contain that typo.


19 posted on 07/18/2004 3:19:28 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: MamaTexan
by their logic, we could sue them for not moving on,

I want in on the class action, they give me a headache. ;-)

20 posted on 07/18/2004 3:23:47 PM PDT by StriperSniper ("Ronald Reagan, the Founding Father of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy." - Mark Levin 6/8/04)
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To: gopwinsin04
When:

November 3, 2004

What:

Domain name moveon.org will quite likely be for sale.

Where:

Online auction site.

Starting bid:

$1

Ending bid:

$1.72

Message to seller from auction site following auction:

"Reserve not met -- please lower your starting bid or relist without a reserve price."
21 posted on 07/18/2004 3:34:56 PM PDT by we_will_prevail
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To: gopwinsin04

When will the GOP create its own bunch of supra-political 527's like Moveon.org? Unregulated, unaccountable organizations receiving money from God-knows who, spending money on "advocacy" campaigns that are clearly partisan.

For the life of me I don't understand how Moveon.org is allowed to do what they do.

Thanks McCain/Feingold for getting all the corruption out of political donations. /sarcasm


22 posted on 07/18/2004 3:55:12 PM PDT by MDspinboyredux
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To: gopwinsin04

We need to hit back at all the leftist media -- which is pretty much everybody but FOX.


23 posted on 07/18/2004 4:02:43 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Boundless

Do your really think they deliberately put out falsehoods?


24 posted on 07/18/2004 4:04:11 PM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: gopwinsin04

They can't stand people learning there's another side to the story. No wonder they're ferociously attacking FOX NEWS with everything they got. But its too late.


25 posted on 07/18/2004 4:05:59 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: we_will_prevail

LOL. And the liberal Big Three don't engage in deceptive journalism? I forget, they're the ones who are "balanced and objective." No wonder MoveOn is NOT targeting them.


26 posted on 07/18/2004 4:07:40 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: gopwinsin04

I wonder if they REALLY want to open that up.

Already the liberal bias of most other sources is being reviewed.

This opens it up much more.


27 posted on 07/18/2004 4:07:54 PM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: goldstategop

The truth really hurts and moveon can't handle the truth.


28 posted on 07/18/2004 4:08:55 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: Dacus943
LOL

They are whining because they want only slanted news. Anyway, this is another reason to have few lawyers in the White House & Senate.

29 posted on 07/18/2004 4:13:46 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: texasflower

> Do your really think they deliberately put out falsehoods?

No, but they allow them to air.
I might have been more clear on that point.

"Fair and balanced" is fine when you have honest
disagreement and opposing views of equal credibility.

But all too often what is actually the case is that one
side is spinning and lying. There is no "balance" between
truth and lie.

At least truth gets some air time on Fox, unlike the
other so-called news networks.

If bowelmovement.org is allowed to proceed with this
complaint, then ALL the news nets need to have their
slogans, and their records, examined. Gore every ox.


30 posted on 07/18/2004 4:20:06 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: MDspinboyredux

"Unregulated, unaccountable organizations receiving money from God-knows who, spending money on "advocacy" campaigns that are clearly partisan."


I don't think they're getting much bang for their buck anymore. At this point Moveon is preaching to the choir and picking their pockets, but the flow of new gullible fools has slowed to a trickle.


31 posted on 07/18/2004 4:29:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (yes. As a matter of fact, my legs are broke.)
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To: Boundless

I disagree. I really don't think they knowingly air anything false.

They do have opposing views on all the time. The show hosts may have their own opinions and may lean right, but they constantly have guests on that spout the opposing side.

Your comments don't sound right to me.


32 posted on 07/18/2004 4:35:51 PM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: gopwinsin04

In my house, Fox News is the only news we are allowed to watch. The other networks are only shills for leftist ideology. If Fox ever does go over the line (I,ve never seen it!) It's only to balance what the other 99% leftist, communist, traitorous networks have to say.


33 posted on 07/18/2004 4:42:56 PM PDT by 2nd Amendment
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Considering CNN is claiming to be The News Channel America Trusts, despite current statistics to the contrary, why aren't these crusaders also going after CNN?

Ever notice when the libs get on FOX for one of those "debates" all they (libs) do is yell, yell, and outyell.

34 posted on 07/18/2004 4:44:26 PM PDT by exhaustedmomma (BOYCOTT Hollywood--- leaves more time for political activism.)
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To: texasflower

What these loons don't understand is that what Fox runs in primetime are commentary shows. They're supposed to be opinionated. During the day they run straight news coverage. Also, "Decepting?" Is that what Decepticons do?


35 posted on 07/18/2004 4:44:46 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Do NOT entrust our security to the Two Johns. There's too much at stake.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Very good point about the commentary shows.


36 posted on 07/18/2004 4:46:26 PM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: gopwinsin04

An insane person always believes that they are the sane ones, much as the lamestream media and it's flying Moreon.org monkeys, skewed hard left, think that Fox is "unbalanced."

Like Cosby says, sometimes, you have to turn the mirror around......


37 posted on 07/18/2004 5:49:47 PM PDT by SpinyNorman (Al Queda, Al Jazeera, Al Gore, Al Franken: the four horsemen of the Apocalypse)
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To: cripplecreek

This is all we're going to be hearing about for the next two months. Why doesn't somebody just put together a montage of the network news clips featuring their many biases. This is such a non-story. They can't win by any other means than tearing down anything that is good in this country.


38 posted on 07/18/2004 5:54:01 PM PDT by Hildy ( If you don't stand up for what's RIGHT, you'll settle for what's LEFT.)
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To: gopwinsin04
It will be interesting if...
FOX News can get a court to rule that
It is Fair and Balanced!!!
39 posted on 07/18/2004 5:56:43 PM PDT by ricks_place
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To: cripplecreek

That may be true, but all they need is to make a few converts here and there. Remember, Florida was won by less than 600 votes.

My problem is that moveon.org seems to be acting with political impugnity. The "mainstream" press uses their name almost as frequently and non-chalantly as "Democratic Party." It's as if they're synonymous.


40 posted on 07/18/2004 5:58:16 PM PDT by MDspinboyredux
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To: goldstategop
LOL. And the liberal Big Three don't engage in deceptive journalism?

There is an ad on MSNBC right now that says it's the "most watched/most trusted news source."

That is a deomonstrable lie.

41 posted on 07/18/2004 6:00:24 PM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: gopwinsin04
MoveOn.org a libera advocacy group, plans to file a complaint on July 19 with the Federal Trade Commission charging that FOX News channel's motto 'Fair and Balanced; is decepting advertising.

What's really deceptive is the use of the term "news" by the major media (e.g., CBS Evening News, NBC Nightly News, etc.) when mostly its nothing but leftwing propaganda, anti-Republican commentary, pro-Democrat viewpoints, slanted reporting, and selective use of facts. The lamestream media is a joke.

42 posted on 07/18/2004 6:18:57 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: eleven_eleven
its an integral part of a vigorous and thorough campaign to win in nov. reps should be showing such creativity, urgency, and energy

You're absolutely right. Sometimes I wonder if our side really has enough intellectual horsepower to prevail. Or maybe it simply has too much hubris.

43 posted on 07/18/2004 6:31:07 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (Is Karl Marx's grave a Communist plot?)
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To: stljoe71

When Hell freezes over. LOL. Although, that may happen sooner than we think -- what with the magnetic fields of the earth shifting!


44 posted on 07/18/2004 9:39:06 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 ("proud to be a Reagan Republican")
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To: gopwinsin04
Sometimes you just gotta wonder what kind of people we are sharing a planet with don't you? I heard a spokesman on the RFK Jr. radio show talking about this and it just blew me away. What a bunch of mean spirited jerks. These are the ones who are for choice!
45 posted on 07/18/2004 9:44:15 PM PDT by ladyinred (What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about? Become a monthly donor and find out!!!)
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To: gopwinsin04

Two words: Loser Pays.


46 posted on 07/18/2004 9:47:23 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: MamaTexan
O.K. - Then by their logic, we could sue them for not moving on, right?

Oh good one! LOL! I hope some of our lawyers around here pick up on this one!

47 posted on 07/18/2004 9:48:03 PM PDT by ladyinred (What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about? Become a monthly donor and find out!!!)
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To: exhaustedmomma
Considering CNN is claiming to be The News Channel America Trusts, despite current statistics to the contrary, why aren't these crusaders also going after CNN?

Good point. This just proves that moveonplease.democrats are only doing this for political reasons or else they would go after CNN! We have the CNN LIES bumper stickers, and you wouldn't believe how many people ask us where we got them because they want one too.

48 posted on 07/18/2004 9:56:45 PM PDT by ladyinred (What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about? Become a monthly donor and find out!!!)
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To: gopwinsin04
I see this as pretty serious, folks. The hyper-libs are stealing the press bias issue from us, but only if we let them.
1. They know that Fox is dangerous, because the libs biggest fear is that the truth about them and their candidates might see the bright light of day.
2. They know that WE own the press bias issue, so they are putting US on the DEFENSE, hoping then we can't/won't mount an offense.
We don't have to take this! Why don't conservatives COUNTER with lawsuits against abc, cbs, nbc, cnn and etc, claiming that what the dominant media broadcast (and call "news") is really mostly liberal "opinion"? Also, why don't conservative organizers (do we have any organizers?)organize groups of activists to DEMONSTRATE and PICKET outside of the news offices of abc and the others?
This is, indeed, a serious situation; and, a situation up with which we should not put.
49 posted on 07/18/2004 11:05:14 PM PDT by Seaplaner ( "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." Winston Churchill)
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To: Seaplaner

OK, let's try out this new motto:

"Fox News: Saying Who's Right...and Exposing Who's Left."


50 posted on 07/18/2004 11:14:37 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (Ronald Reagan - Greatest President of the 20th Century.)
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