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"May 18,1971"--(Evil Exists)
July 18,2004 | redrock

Posted on 07/18/2004 4:55:11 PM PDT by redrock

"May 18,1971"--(Evil Exists)

April 22, 1971 -- John Kerry testifies on behalf of the VVAW before the Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs. He claims that American soldiers had "personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan..."

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Every action produces a reaction.

It's simple really..........

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You couldn't really call it a village.

I'm not really sure what you would call it. It was just a collection of lean-to's...tents and just plain 'any-spot-in-the-storm-will-do' types of shelters.

It was as if the old people and the young people had walked as far as they could...and it was just the spot that they stopped and tried to put together a reasonable image of their lives. It had water and was somewhat close to a road.

And...it was as far as they could go to get away from the war....and the soldiers of the NVA(North Vietnamese). The same NVA that had driven them away from the highlands of Vietnam. From their homes....from their lives.

That little spot in the road had around 25 people living there...mostly the old but a few young. One of them was pregnant. Luckily,for awhile anyway, a Medical Mission was nearby.

We used to patrol that area around every 3-4 days. Nothing major..just a platoon. The LT. liked to call that patrol his 'breaking-in' for newbies...for those who had just arrived 'in country'. It gave you a feel for the landscape...and it reminded the newbies that altho we were Air Cav....we also were expected to walk to earn our money.

On one patrol..we found out that the Medical Mission had left the area...and the pregnant woman was about to give birth. Being the only person on the patrol to even remotely have Medical training...( I served as a Medic)...I was volunteered by the LT. to help with the birth. One of the really old (ancient comes to mind) women knew about child-birth but was physically unable to help. Since we had a ARVN(South Vietnamese) interpreter along...I became her hands...as long as the ARVN interpreter could keep up.

The child was born into the world on May 15,1971. A little girl...all healthy as could be. We left her in the arms of her proud mother...and finished on with the patrol. (and I got the ribbing of my life about the whole thing...good natured...but it lasted for days).

The NVA activity started to pick up in the area. It seemed as if they thought we wouldn't fight back if we saw them...or came under fire. They started to get a little bolder....as they were sending out lots of patrols into the area around Pleiku..and further south.

On our next patrol into that area...we ran into a NVA patrol. Had a small firefight. Had to only work on a few minor wounds.

Then we came upon the small little spot...where the old and young had stopped to try and live.

The lean-to's were burned....the tents torn. Fire was still burning some of the bigger shacks.

The old and young people had been lined up and made to kneel...where they had had a gun pressed to the back of their heads. I know this is what happened...as each of them had a hole in the backs of their head...one made by a bullet.

The boot marks on the ground (that red dirt that seemed to exist everywhere in Vietnam)...were of standard issue NVA. So...the people who had done this were probably NVA.

I checked all that I could ...looking for even a glimmer of life. There was none.

Then I remembered the young mother....and the baby that I helped to deliver.

I searched the area..(with my back being watched by my Platoon Sgt.)...and came across them a few yards into the bush.

The young mother lay on the ground...and bullet hole in her head and laying in her arms was her baby daughter.

With a bullet hole in her head.

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Evil exists.

I came face-to-face with it on that day in Vietnam.

This is the 3rd time I've talked about that day in 30 plus years. I'm not sure if I can talk about it again ever.

But the same evil that I found in the highlands of Vietnam...exists today.

30 plus years ago...a self-serving ex-sailor sat before Congress and lied to them about the behaviour of American Soldiers. Lied to them in order to make himself look good. Lied to them in order to further his own ambitions.

Lied to them to facilitate the Evil.

And now...that same liar ...that same self-serving arrogant bastard is running for President.

I cannot prove it...but I have always believed that the actions of people like Kerry...facilitated the death of that young mother and her baby.

I would hate to think of a world...were someone like Kerry had as much power as a President of the United States has.

What would be the consequences????

Evil exists.

It is up to us...to defeat it.


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To: redrock
Dang! Sorry you had to go through that. It needed to be told, though.

You are right. There is a real choice this election.

51 posted on 07/18/2004 6:56:27 PM PDT by LibKill (Happy Birthday America! I love you.)
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To: nunya bidness

We stand at a cross road of history, the choices we make
we will have to live with for years.
One need only picture a Gore administration guided by the
hand of Hillery!herself and the mess it would have made to date to realize it.

I remember at the time of Kerry's testimony, being approached by a group called,"the Vietnam War Crimes Tribunal" and asked to testify myself.
When I told them that I would be glad to testify about VC
and NVA attrocities, they weren't interested and never
approached me again.

Kerry is a pathetic excuse for a man and the resemblence to Clinton is very much the same, a political cameleon, changing it's color to match it's surroundings, with a
thirst for power.
with


52 posted on 07/18/2004 6:59:38 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

Good Guys BUMP ..Thank you for your service!


53 posted on 07/18/2004 7:02:58 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: redrock; kdf1; AMERIKA; Lancey Howard; MudPuppy; SMEDLEYBUTLER; opbuzz; Snow Bunny; gitmogrunt; ...

Must read no matter what, then copy and paste it to eveyone on your e-mail list.


54 posted on 07/18/2004 7:06:20 PM PDT by RaceBannon (God Bless Ronald Reagan, and may America Bless God!)
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To: All

I was there the same time Hanoi Kerry was.
I was there Oct'68-Apr'69 as a GMG 3
I served on the destroyer USS Corry DD-817
which supplied PCF's and PBR's
and gave gunfire support in North AND South Viet Nam.
My ship may have even supplied Hanoi Kerry's boat.

I VOW to the 58,229 + names on The Wall who never came home

"I will do everything I LEGALLY can
to keep this traitor from being elected."

Hanoi Kerry MUST NOT win on Nov 2 2004

"It is a fact that in the entire Vietnam War we did not lose one major battle.
We lost the war at home and at home John Kerry was the field general"
- Bob Elder, Swift Boat Veteran For Truth

"I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be commander in chief of the U.S. armed forces,"
said retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffmann, chairman of the organization.
"This is not a political issue. It is a matter of honesty."

Please distribute this url link far and wide.
Especially to military and vet groups.
Hanoi Kerry must be exposed for the traitor he is.
It will be updated on a regular basis.

It also contains links for voter registration
for the military AND civilians.

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http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

There is a backup site
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55 posted on 07/18/2004 7:15:25 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Thank You Troops Past, Present and Future)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Ping.


56 posted on 07/18/2004 7:15:42 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Bump!


57 posted on 07/18/2004 7:20:54 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Chieftain; redrock
Thanks for the ping, Chieftain, and thank you for the story, redrock.

Redrock, you are God's messenger.
Were it not for you, and men like you, we would never know how it really was.

God bless you, brother, for what you did.
Thank you for your service.

I really believe that the survival of this nation as we know it is riding on this election.

58 posted on 07/18/2004 7:26:17 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: redrock

BTTT


59 posted on 07/18/2004 7:27:55 PM PDT by jamaly
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To: F.J. Mitchell

Great tag line.


60 posted on 07/18/2004 7:36:24 PM PDT by x1stcav (http://www.ronaldreaganmemorial.com/photo_gallery.asp)
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To: tet68

tet68 and other veterans on this thread :

I'm a brand new freeper and I registered after years of lurking specifically to learn from you all on this thread. Thanks and endless respect to you all from a life-long civilian who lives safely in a rich and blessed country in part due to your service.

I've recently had some debate with a veteran (US Army 1959-1962, one tour in Germany) about the leadership that veterans provide to the rest of us. I look up to veterans and believe they represent the best of virtues, including truth. I think veterans define patriotism and what America stands for. At the same time I think the Democrat party pretty much represents evil these days. My veteran friend tells me that he served so that everyone could make up their own minds, and he has a hard time choosing between the two parties. Frankly I find that hard to understand because I do see American politics today in good/evil terms.

Could you all do me the honor and great favor of sharing how your experiences as veterans influence your thinking about politics today? You've seen evil that most of us can't begin to imagine, and you've literally done the "standing" to define what this country stands for. My experience is limited to civilian life here in the US. I really think the Democrats are evil, but I know that some veterans are Democrats, and I certainly don't have the experience and time in grade they have in serving the country.

How can I square those things up? Am I wrong about American politics being good versus evil today? If I'm right, how do I show proper gratitude and respect to a veteran who supports an evil political party?

Thanks again to you all for the security you've provided to me and my family, and for any insight or further lessons in patriotism you might be able to add in this thread.


61 posted on 07/18/2004 7:37:00 PM PDT by Katy Deacon (He must increase, and I must decrease)
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To: TexasCowboy
I really believe that the survival of this nation as we know it is riding on this election.

You said it all.

62 posted on 07/18/2004 7:38:57 PM PDT by Chieftain ('W' in '04!)
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To: redrock; All

To John Kerry and all the other Traitors:
Gee, I don't know what happened.
When I left we were winning.


63 posted on 07/18/2004 7:43:31 PM PDT by x1stcav (http://www.ronaldreaganmemorial.com/photo_gallery.asp)
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To: Katy Deacon

Welcome to Free Republic


64 posted on 07/18/2004 7:53:06 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Thank You Troops Past, Present and Future)
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To: Interesting Times

FYI


65 posted on 07/18/2004 8:02:46 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: Katy Deacon
The sad truth is that Kerry hasn't told any lies about his Vietnam experiences that I've heard.

That doesn't mean that "We" were bad and "They" were good. It's simply that some in the U.S. Military behaved in illegal, immoral, disgusting, etc. ways.

To deny that is absurd.

Some went too far in their determination to win at any cost. I don't hate those that did - but I can't say it's excusable either. It was a very long and miserable war.

If you don't believe Kerry (or me) - (which I can understand) simply do a little serious research of the Press reports of the day. There's lots and lots of pictures of this stuff (which weren't easy to fake back then).

Would anyone deny that the use of .50 cal's for perimeter defense was pretty standard?

66 posted on 07/18/2004 8:09:44 PM PDT by wasnova
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
I am older than you. I went in the Army after Korea and before Viet Nam.

Thank you for your service. It was somewhere in the late 70's that I met a recently retired Bird Colonel who had served in late WWII and both Korea and Nam. My civilian living was made in radio and I had been conditioned by ABC news and the AP. I believed the stuff about the guys that served in Nam.

I once made a slightly disparaging remark about the enlisted men who served in Nam compared to WWII and Korea.

I thought for a second I was going to have to defend my honor with my fists. He went over case after case of above and beyond the call of duty perforances by the Men who served in Nam.

I have always remembered that a man who had commanded troops in the WWI, Korea and Nam, felt the best quality of troops served in Nam.

He said the ones that avoided the draft and protested were garbage.. but the men who served in Nam were absolutely the best.

I have never forgotten his heated and forceful remarks. It was one of my first clues about how biased and agenda driven the main stream media is.

Again I thank you for your service. Men like Kerry make me sick. Men like you make me proud of my Nation.

67 posted on 07/18/2004 8:11:33 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: redrock; All
Oddly enough, the subject of Viet Nam came up in church today. A missionary priest who worked there gave the Homily (an explanation given after the Bible readings, during the Mass). He talked about Communism. He said it is difficult to get anything done because the government watches everyone .

He said that we wouldn't believe how crazy things are there. He said "You don't know how good you have it here. You live better than anywhere else in the world. No one in the world lives like you do. You know that don't you? Yes, you know that."

Then he read a letter from one of the Nuns who worked there. He talked about a Leper Colony that he ministered to. ( they can't get medicine because of the wonderful, benevolent, Communist government.) He said that since the Commies took over, 90% of the population still lives in poverty ,(in spite of their promises to improve life ) He said the "party" controls everything: schools , Churches, they watch everyone. If you say anything against the government, they throw you in prison. Then he asked "Do you have any idea what that is like?"

I want to be clear- when he was asking if we knew how good we had it, it wasn't a "blame America" tone. He was trying to wake people up about how blessed we are to live here. It was a great presentation.

But the sad part is that when he asked if we knew how good we had it, I thought- Do we know? And then I thought about my Kerry- supporting fellow-Catholic neighbors , and Michael Moore, and all the people who have seen his movie, and Jimmy Carter and Hollywood, and their expressed love for Fidel Castro, and Hillary's Viet Nam trip, and Soros and the rest of the multi-zillionaires, and their connections to Move On . Org, and it's ties to the Communist Party. I wonder if we know how good we have it? Or , will we throw it all away?

We need to pray for our country, and president Bush, that's the only way we will have victory. This is not going to be an easy campaign. The pubbies are dealing with unprecedented-in-our-history propaganda. Pray.

68 posted on 07/18/2004 8:12:28 PM PDT by fly_so_free (Never underestimate the treachery of the democrat party- Save USA,-Vote a Dem out of office)
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To: redrock; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Bumping your's to the Top, redrock!!!!


69 posted on 07/18/2004 8:15:36 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: redrock

I was running barefoot through the cornfield at the time, and knew nothing of the horrors of war. I still only know what I've been told. I don't know what it feels like to experience war first-hand, and God willing, I never will. It's by the grace of God, and soldiers like you, that I've been able to go through life without knowing those pains. I've been very well protected. Thank you.


70 posted on 07/18/2004 8:16:02 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: redrock; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub

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JOHN KERRY = Enemy of Vietnam Vets

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1320


as opposed to:


MEL's -PASSION- was sparked by -WE WERE SOLDIERS-

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=39081

.


71 posted on 07/18/2004 8:17:38 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: redrock
Pacifica Radio had in their archives some of Kerry's testimony. What made it more remarkable was some of his most graphic claims were EDITED OUT of NBC's(?) own archive footage of the testimony.

Reportedly it has aired on Amy Goodman's "All Things Considered". I do not know if their position was that "these things happened and were suppressed" or that "Kerry lied and his most extreme lies were suppressed". John Kerry himself has recanted and said that they were the words of an angry young man.

72 posted on 07/18/2004 8:19:45 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: All
The most famous Sniper kill of the war was made by Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock from Hill 555 (just west of DaNang) with a scoped .50 cal. It's famous because of the distance - which I think was over 2300 yards.

And when Kerry says that the use of .50 cal's against personnel is prohibited by the Geneva Conventions he is correct.

73 posted on 07/18/2004 8:24:38 PM PDT by wasnova
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To: Smartass


74 posted on 07/18/2004 8:25:53 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: redrock; Mia T; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; Interesting Times; Travis McGee; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ...



"Yes I committed the same kind of atrocities......"




.50 Caliber Kerry is 87% AWOL in the Senate! /b>




75 posted on 07/18/2004 8:36:20 PM PDT by devolve (---------------- [--------------Hello from Sunny South Florida-------------)
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To: redrock; Clintonfatigued; Fiddlstix; tet68; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; sauropod; treeclimber; ...

76 posted on 07/18/2004 8:38:49 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

I was but knee high to a grasshopper when the last bird took off from Saigon, but even then I knew what had happened wasn't good. As the years went on and I learned about Vietnam, and what our men went through, the more convinced I became that it WAS the good fight, just like WW II.

We went there not for material gain, or land, or colonization. We went there to keep other men free. Those men (and more than a few women)who fought there and came home to an ungrateful nation had every reason to be bitter, as demonstrations mounted and foul epithets were hurled at them. But in the main they were not bitter. They went home and took up jobs, started families, and made this nation better.

Then there were the ones like Kerry. Forever embittered, they undertook the mission to bring the US down. They believed that fighting 'glorious' communism was wrong, and our nation had to pay for it. And now that SOB wants to be our President?! I say him nay, and I will make my voice heard on 2 Nov 04!

Thanks for your service, gents. You set the standard.


77 posted on 07/18/2004 8:41:00 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Proud Member of the Reagan Republicans)
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To: wasnova
"And when Kerry says that the use of .50 cal's against personnel is prohibited by the Geneva Conventions he is correct."

Could you point out where the Conventions actually say this??? I'm trying to find it.....perhaps a URL???

Thanks,

redrock

78 posted on 07/18/2004 8:41:37 PM PDT by redrock ("Better a Shack in Heaven....than a Mansion in Hell"---My Grandma)
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To: wasnova
And when Kerry says that the use of .50 cal's against personnel is prohibited by the Geneva Conventions he is correct.

Here's your chance to back up that statement with a source.

M2 .50 Caliber [12.7mm] Machine Gun

This gun may be mounted on ground mounts and most vehicles as an anti-personnel and anti-aircraft weapon. Associated components are the M63 antiaircraft mount and the M3 tripod mount. The M2 .50 Cal. flexible version is used as a ground gun on the M3 tripod mount or various Naval mounts. The M2 .50 Cal., M48 turret type, fixed type, and soft mount are installed on mounts of several different types of combat vehicles and ships. The weapon provides automatic weapon suppressive fire for offensive and defensive purposes. This weapon can be used effectively against personnel, light armored vehicles; low, slow flying aircraft; and small boats.

The M2 machine gun on the M3 tripod provided a very stable firing platform. Together with its slow rate of fire and its traversing and elevating mechanism, the M2 was used to a very limited extent as a sniper weapon during the Vietnam war at fixed installations such as firebases. Snipers prefired the weapons at identifiable targets and worked the data into range cards insuring increased first-round accuracy. The 1st Battalion, 5th Infantry, 25th Infantry Division constructed 20-30 foot high shooting platforms, adding steel base plates and posts to further stabilize the M2 on the M3 tripod. Together with the use of Starlight night vision scopes, the M2 severely limited enemy movement within 900 yards (1,000m) of the perimeter of a firebase.

79 posted on 07/18/2004 8:43:41 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: wasnova

Actually, we don't use .50 caliber against people....

We use it against their equipment! If it hits them in the process of destroying their gear, oh well! Sucks to be them. Shouldn't have taken up arms against us in the first place.


80 posted on 07/18/2004 8:43:51 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Proud Member of the Reagan Republicans)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Thank you, Tonk!

Excellent job writing this, redrock! The Two Johns must be defeated at all costs! I'm thankful to God for good men like redrock and Tonk! Thank you both for everything you've done for our country, and God bless you always!

81 posted on 07/18/2004 8:44:27 PM PDT by Kitty Mittens
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To: Katy Deacon

Welcome to Free Republic, Katy Deacon! :)


82 posted on 07/18/2004 8:47:26 PM PDT by Kitty Mittens
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To: Clintonfatigued
I would like to think that Kerry has grown up since then

Well, I haven't seen any evidence of that. He's still willing to lie through his teeth in order to further himself and his liberal causes.

83 posted on 07/18/2004 9:07:25 PM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude; All
To those of you who have served, I say thank you for doing what we asked of you.

to the kerry and fondas of the world, I can only pray that God deals with them as he should, (not kindly).

to anyone who would vote for a democrat, I suggest that they take
the time to read the communist manifesto 1963 and the
muslim manifesto 1990.

There, they will find the game plan of the democratic party and worse yet, can weep at how the list has become truth today.

Thank you to all who give so much, that I and others around the world can have freedom.
84 posted on 07/18/2004 9:26:50 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (You could do a general Google search for: jihad internet today)
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To: redrock

There have been a couple times when I was compelled to spill my guts about terribly personal experiences,because the times demanded it. It's about duty, something you, Redrock, understand all too well. And I don't think John Kerry does. Yes, Redrock, evil exists and it has power fueled by the ignorant. Thanks for teaching us something today.

XOXOXO
B.


85 posted on 07/18/2004 9:56:48 PM PDT by AuntB ("You are entitled to your own opinion, but you’re not entitled to your own set of facts.’ R.Reagan)
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To: Katy Deacon

Welcome, Katy! You asked some great questions. That's mostly what's wrong with this world today. People who think they have all
the answers never ask questions.

I've felt lousy for several days because I got really annoyed with a harrassing fellow freeper who is a vet. Perhaps a handful of them, like Kerry, deserve the respect they earn.


86 posted on 07/18/2004 10:13:09 PM PDT by AuntB ("You are entitled to your own opinion, but you’re not entitled to your own set of facts.’ R.Reagan)
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To: redrock
My "stories" are yet to be told redrock....these truths need to be told..."Recon" Missions are like that brother..as you well know...I thank you for opening up...

JD

87 posted on 07/19/2004 12:17:14 AM PDT by JDoutrider (In God We Trust...)
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To: redrock
"I VOW I will do everything I LEGALLY can to keep this traitor from being elected. "

Came across the following statement by Barry Goldwater in accepting the Republican presidential nomination in San Francisco, July 16, 1964:

"extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" and that "moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue".

Seemed appropriate to pass this along.

If anyone has a plan or any ideas as to what we can do ( united we stand - divided we fall) put out the word - I for one am ready to "roll"!

88 posted on 07/19/2004 12:33:21 AM PDT by AnimalLover
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; redrock; ALOHA RONNIE; Grampa Dave

Thanks for the ping, Tonk.


89 posted on 07/19/2004 1:16:06 AM PDT by risk
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To: redrock
JANUARY 1971 : (DELLUMS ACCUSES US SOLDIERS OF WAR CRIMES) In January 1971, only a few days after assuming his House seat, Representative Ron V. Dellums organized a so-called war crimes exhibit in an annex of his congressional office. The atrocities, allegedly committed by U.S. soldiers, were featured on four large posters embellished with red paint to simulate blood. Needless to say, there was no suggestion that communist forces were engaging in terror and torture as policy. Dellums demanded Nuremberg-style trials only of U.S. officers responsible for supposed "war crimes."
90 posted on 07/19/2004 1:39:30 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: redrock
And while Kerry was lying his head off in 1971:

1970s : (USSR : RUSSIAN GENERAL PRIMAKOV RUNS IRAQ'S WMD WEAPONS PROGRAM) In the late 1970s, Gen. Primakov ran Saddam's weapons programs. After that, as you may recall, he was promoted to head of the Soviet foreign intelligence service in 1990, to Russia's minister of foreign affairs in 1996, and in 1998, to prime minister. What you may not know is that Primakov hates Israel and has always championed Arab radicalism. He was a personal friend of Saddam's and has repeatedly visited Baghdad after 1991, quietly helping Saddam play his game of hide-and-seek. - "Russian Collusion in Iraq," By Ion Mihai Pacepa, Washington Times , August 22, 2003

1971 : (IRAQ : NUCLEAR PROGRAM : IAEC BEGINS A SECRET NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM : HAMZA IS RECRUITED TO DEVELOP A PLAN FOR AQUIRING NUCLEAR WEAPONS) A secret nuclear weapons program is initiated by the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission (IAEC). The newly appointed chairman of the physics department of the Nuclear Research Center (NRC) is Dr. Khidhir Hamza. Hamza is approached by the two men in charge of the IAEC, the secretary-general, Dr. Moyesser al-Mallah, and the newly appointed director of the NRC, Husham Sharif, both Baath party members. Al-Mallah and Sharif request that Hamza develop a plan for acquiring nuclear weapons, one that uses an ambitious and carefully designed civilian nuclear program as a guise to obtain the technology, skills, and infrastructure required to successfully create a nuclear arsenal. [Note: Whether at the direction of Saddam Hussein or simply as a ruse to generate revenue for the poorly funded nuclear program, it is unclear who or what prompted the two scientists to approach Hamza with the idea of building a nuclear weapon.] —Khidhir Hamza with Jeff Stein, Saddam's Bombmaker: The Terrifying Inside Story of the Iraqi Nuclear and Biological Weapons Agenda (New York, NY: Scribner Press, 2000), p. 64; "Iraq's Nuclear Weapons Program: From Aflaq to Tammuz," . - "Iraq Nuclear Weapons Program—An Annotated Chronology"

1971 : (IRAQ : NUCLEAR PROGRAM : HAMZA PURCHASES IRAQ'S FIRST MAINFRAME COMPUTER) Dr. Khidhir Hamza is responsible for purchasing Iraq's first mainframe computer. The IBM 360/135 mainframe will eventually become the centerpiece of the clandestine nuclear weapons program. —Khidhir Hamza with Jeff Stein, Saddam's Bombmaker: The Terrifying Inside Story of the Iraqi Nuclear and Biological Weapons Agenda (New York, NY: Scribner Press, 2000), pp. 21, 72. - "Iraq Nuclear Weapons Program—An Annotated Chronology,"

JANUARY 8, 1971 : (URUGUAY, BRITISH AMBASSADOR KIDNAPPED) British ambassador to Uruguay Sir Geoffrey Jackson kidnapped and held for eight months by Tupamaros terrorists, demanding the release of political prisoners.

MAY 1, 1971 : (ANTI-WAR PROTEST) Anti-war march on Washington, its staff director was David Gelber. He got into network television news, did some producing for Dan Rather, and he ended up as senior producer for Ed Bradley's "60 Minutes."- "Socialist Lobotomies," Notra Trulock, Newsmaxcom, July 29, 2002

MAY 5, 1971 : (DELLUMS ATTEMPTS TO INSTIGATE 'MUTINY') With the United States still engaged in the Vietnam War, Congressman Ron Dellums spoke to demonstrators on the steps of the Capitol while standing under a Vietcong flag which someone had attached to the building’s balcony. And as related in the 1972 edition of Current Biography, he "began his own investigation of army conditions in the spring of 1971 by dropping in on short notice at military posts around the United States and speaking to rank-and-file soldiers, encouraging them to oppose the war in Vietnam...."

MAY 11, 1972 : (RED ARMY FACTION ATTACKS US ARMY HQ) US Army headquarters in Frankfurt, Germany, attacked by Red Army Faction car bomb killing one American officer and injuring thirteen people. Three more US servicemen injured in another Red Army Faction car bomb attack on the US Army headquarters at Heidleburg, Germany, later in the month.

MAY 17, 1971 : (TURKISH & PALESTINIAN TERRORISTS ASSASSINATE ISRAELI CONSUL GENERAL) Turkish radicals assassinate Israeli consul general in Istanbul, Turkey, as part of a joint operation with Palestinian terrorists.

SEPTEMBER 26, 1971 : (CAMBODIA) Seabee wounded and Marine Security Guards killed and wounded during Terrorist attack on US Embassy softball game,Phnom Penh, Cambodia.

NOVEMBER 12, 1971 : (VVAW ASSASSINATION PLOT : VVAW KANSAS CITY CONFERENCE ) Two-thirds of the American troops in Vietnam at the height of American commitment in 1969 had already been withdrawn in the “Vietnamization” policy in effect at the time of the VVAW Kansas City conference in November 1971. When asked recently [2004] by the Sun why the assassinations still seemed necessary, Mr. Camil replied: “The war was still going on. We had to stop it.”- "John Kerry's Political Friends," by Thomas H. Lipscomb, NY Sun via FrontPagemagazine.com, 3/15/04

NOVEMBER 17-21, 1971 : (KC : VVAW MEETING DISCUSSING ASSASSINATION OF SENATORS) The Kansas City meeting of VVAW discussing assassination was November 17-21, 1971, and Stennis was shot January, 1973 by two African-Americans.- 22 posted on 03/23/2004 11:20:26 PM PST by PhilDragoo

NOVEMBER 20, 1971 : (TERRORIST BOMBING OF AIRCRAFT) CVL plane crashes at sea off Penghu with bombs planted by terrorists, killing 25.

NOVEMBER 28, 1971 : (BLACK SEPTEMBER ASSASSINATES JORDANIAN PRIME MINISTER, LATER JORDANIAN AMBASSADOR) Jordanian prime minister Wasfi Tal shot and killed by Palestinian Black September terrorists at the Sheraton Hotel in Cairo, Egypt.A month later the Jordanian ambassador in London, England, is shot and wounded by a Black September hit squad.

DECEMBER 4, 1971 : (IRELAND, UVF BOMB CATHOLIC AREA) Protestant Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) terrorists explode bomb in Catholic area of Belfast, Northern Ireland, killing fifteen civilians.

91 posted on 07/19/2004 2:18:02 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos

fyi


92 posted on 07/19/2004 2:26:04 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: redrock
Thanks, redrock, for sharing your first hand experiences. Thank you for your service to America.


93 posted on 07/19/2004 2:44:10 AM PDT by Kathy in Alaska (God Bless America and Our Troops Who Protect Her)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT!!!!!!!!


94 posted on 07/19/2004 3:04:48 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: redrock

Excellent! BTTT


95 posted on 07/19/2004 3:13:01 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Smartass

bttt


96 posted on 07/19/2004 3:35:38 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

bttt


97 posted on 07/19/2004 3:35:59 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Katy Deacon
Welcome to FR. I have been here since Sept 30, 1998 under another screenname, though. I am a 22 year veteran of the US Marine Corps, ('70 - '92). I can tell you that for many years during my military service I had no opinion on politics because I knew my duty was to serve the commander in chief regardless.

I was raised a catholic and Democrat, and as you know, most folks get their religion and politics from their parents. I bought all the lines about Democrats being for the little guy and the Republicans were for the BIG guys only.

Bill Clinton changed all that for me. He was a certified draft dodger and I was full of disdain for him, as I do for all draft dodgers. His candidacy came right after I was ending my military career. I realized that I had the responsibilty to be concerned about politics as a citizen.

I read and researched many things regarding politics and military things. It was a bit confusing for me. I recalled John Glenn, a Marine pilot and astronaut hero whom I held in high regard and he was a Democrat. But what I came to see was the pure partisanship of the Democratic party. I also saw how the Democratic party had significantly moved from working class party to a socialist party. I recalled how when I was active duty, we got very limited funding under the dems, and how Reagan took good care of us, funding wise.

Your friend would do good to research how the GOP is the party is behind the concept of individual freedom, and the dems are all about group identity. They use the group think to promote themselves, NOT the people.

Thank your friend for his service to our country abd encourage him to research Kerry and how he used the Vietnam for his own personal political gain, and sold out his fellow veterans.

98 posted on 07/19/2004 3:37:10 AM PDT by Chieftain ('W' in '04!)
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To: wasnova; ALOHA RONNIE; redrock; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; tet68; All
The sad truth is that Kerry hasn't told any lies about his Vietnam experiences that I've heard.

Then you are not listening. For starters, you might want to visit the WinterSoldier.com site.
99 posted on 07/19/2004 5:27:52 AM PDT by baseballmom (Michael Moore - An un-American Hatriot)
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To: wasnova
The sad truth is that Kerry hasn't told any lies about his Vietnam experiences that I've heard.

Maybe he hasn't.

In that case, he's a self-confessed war criminal.

100 posted on 07/19/2004 6:07:17 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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