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Threat Matrix: Daily Terror Threat - Thread FOURTEEN
Yahoo News ^ | 07-18-04 | Randall Mikkelsen

Posted on 07/18/2004 6:57:48 PM PDT by JustPiper

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To: JustPiper

It'd be a much better question of the word "congressional" was replaced with the word "teletubbies".
J/K
I don't see how they possibly could. I don't think that oversight has improved that much, and I'm not sure they'd have the reflexes to respond fast enough. Some democrat would want to attach pork to an emergency bill, as they have in the past.


3,801 posted on 07/24/2004 2:08:00 PM PDT by HipShot ("there is no reason to suspect terrorism")
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To: JustPiper
So I wanted to know what our great gang here is feeling, thinking etc.

I've had bad vibes all week. Haven't slept well the past few days. I'm normally not here late at night but this week I felt the need to connect.

3,802 posted on 07/24/2004 2:08:25 PM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: JustPiper

Freepmail


3,803 posted on 07/24/2004 2:08:41 PM PDT by judicial meanz (I'm sick of wimpy liberal girlymen with documents stuffed in their pants trying to pass as real men)
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To: jerseygirl

That leaves me out! I'm guaranteed 100% pure IRREGULAR!


3,804 posted on 07/24/2004 2:11:10 PM PDT by HipShot ("there is no reason to suspect terrorism")
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To: All; JustPiper
So I wanted to know what our great gang here is feeling, thinking etc.

I found that post...

Interesting that you feel this way, I concur with many of your thoughts.

I have spent a lot of time this summer reading about what happened prior to 9/11 and I feel the situation we find ourselves in now is quite similar. The pieces of a major catastrophe are coming together quite similarly, but in a different manner.

My overwhelming belief since 9/11 was that the next attack on US soil would be extremely horrific, on a scale that makes 9/11 look like a good day. I seriously hope I am wrong, but I cannot discount that fact becoming an actuality.

We are in a race against time; it has become quite apparent that this is true in the past couple of weeks. There is something very evil on the horizon.

I just hope it doesn't turn out as bad as I envision it.

I think we will see everything AQ has in its arsenal thrown at us and the world in the next major strike. It could be very bad. I would not put it past them from breaking out every bit of WMD they have. They will use WMD, and I do believe they have nukes. Their continued mention of Nukes in their fatwas and statements leads me to believe this fact.

The fact that people have once again become blind to what is going on around them gives me more of a sense of concern. I knew AQ would wait until people felt safe again and even though everyone keeps announcing that more is coming, people have begun to ignore the constant stream of threats.

I strongly believe that something will happen before the election, probably in the next 10 weeks…

Let’s hope DHS keeps on doing the damn good job that they have done since 9/11.

3,805 posted on 07/24/2004 2:14:29 PM PDT by nwctwx
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To: JustPiper

Bush and the Vice President will be in Springfield, Mo.
Friday July 30th 9am



I have to check out for a while


3,806 posted on 07/24/2004 2:20:03 PM PDT by drymans wife (Clintoon Saga continues, MONICAGATE, TROUSERGATE, I did not put those papers in his pants.)
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To: All

This is the exact statute they are breaking when they post that site.


____________________________________________________________
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-CITE-

18 USC Sec. 2385 01/22/02

-EXPCITE-

TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

PART I - CRIMES

CHAPTER 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES

-HEAD-

Sec. 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government

-STATUTE-

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or

teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of

overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or

the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession

thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by

force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any

such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any

such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates,

sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed

matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity,

desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any

government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts

to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society,

group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the

overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or

violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any

such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes

thereof -

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than

twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by

the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five

years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in

this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned

not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for

employment by the United States or any department or agency

thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms ''organizes'' and

''organize'', with respect to any society, group, or assembly of

persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new

units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes,

and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

-SOURCE-

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, Sec.

2, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 87-486, June 19, 1962, 76 Stat. 103; Pub.

L. 103-322, title XXXIII, Sec. 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108

Stat. 2148.)


3,807 posted on 07/24/2004 2:20:40 PM PDT by judicial meanz (I'm sick of wimpy liberal girlymen with documents stuffed in their pants trying to pass as real men)
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
Nothing like spilling the details of your substitution cipher encoding methods. The alphabets employ staff who do this stuff in their sleep. Simple letter substitutions fall to frequency analysis.
3,808 posted on 07/24/2004 2:21:22 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: freeperfromnj

Thank you FReeper from NJ.


3,809 posted on 07/24/2004 2:22:49 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: judicial meanz; All

"The Revolution Will Be Webcast!"

Now hear this: Any sign that the election has been stolen again, and we are calling for a complete walkout, civil disobedience, complete refusal and the shutting down of the system, per the Grand Refusal (see here or below this essay).

http://www.legitgov.com/mike_essay_rev_will_be_Webcast_072104.html
_______________________________________________________

The RNC:

Last week at a New York Fundraiser for Sen. Kerry performers called President Bush a "thug," a "liar," and a "killer." Sen. Kerry said each performer conveyed the "heart and soul of our country" yet refuses to release a tape of the event. Do you think the tape should be released?

- Yes (75.8%)

- No (24.2%)

http://www.rnc.org/


3,810 posted on 07/24/2004 2:23:02 PM PDT by JustPiper (Something happened- Nothing's Working- Everything's a lie)
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To: nwctwx

All the lame polls back up your remarks on America is Still Asleep! They are not as scared as they once were and we are in more danger now than before!

But hey we let them in, heck we escorted them in during the Persian Gulf about 5,000 stronghold!!!


3,811 posted on 07/24/2004 2:25:50 PM PDT by JustPiper (Something happened- Nothing's Working- Everything's a lie)
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To: nwctwx

I have this feeling that all of our security efforts are going to be focused on the convention, they know it and will strike somewhere else.


3,812 posted on 07/24/2004 2:26:43 PM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: JustPiper; judicial meanz

REPORT IT

http://www.fbi.gov
http://www.dhs.gov
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net


3,813 posted on 07/24/2004 2:26:48 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: milkncookies
ISO (International Standards Organization) It is an international federation of national standards organizations from over 100 countries.

Bureaucrats producing large quantities of content-free technobabble for a fee. I prefer to work from the RFC data created by real computer scientists.

3,814 posted on 07/24/2004 2:27:01 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Cindy

You're welcome. Quite an eerie post, wouldn't you say?


3,815 posted on 07/24/2004 2:27:14 PM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: Labyrinthos

ping!


3,816 posted on 07/24/2004 2:27:44 PM PDT by JustPiper (Something happened- Nothing's Working- Everything's a lie)
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To: Bobibutu

during US atomic tests in the Pacific Ocean, I do not believe tsunamis were generated.


3,817 posted on 07/24/2004 2:27:55 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Cindy

thank you bump Dearheart!


3,818 posted on 07/24/2004 2:28:30 PM PDT by JustPiper (Something happened- Nothing's Working- Everything's a lie)
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To: JustPiper

Note to JP:

America's enemies are not entitled to what I am thinking.
Let them be surprised.
Remember the good guys and the bad guys read FReerepublic.com


3,819 posted on 07/24/2004 2:28:47 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: milkncookies
Taking more geomagnetic hits today. This is the time to play with auroral propagation and long path stuff. Most HF and satellite comms are going to be impacted to some degree.
3,820 posted on 07/24/2004 2:29:31 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Cindy

CORRECTION: entitled to know


3,821 posted on 07/24/2004 2:29:43 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Jill St Claire

Sorry, Jill. I'm sure that most are trying to figure it out and/or reproduce it, as I am. There's no intent to smear anyone.


3,822 posted on 07/24/2004 2:31:31 PM PDT by HipShot ("there is no reason to suspect terrorism")
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4 face charges in bombs heist
San Jose Mercury News (subscription) - San Jose,CA,USA

By Thaai Walker. A federal grand jury has indicted four men for their alleged
involvement in the theft of 200 pounds of explosives ...
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/9233621.htm

THE Pakistan Connection: Why The US Wants It Covered Up
jihadunspun.com - West Vancouver,British Columbia,Canada

http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?
article=11627&list=/home.php

THE US Governments Unbelievable Disrespect
Free Press International - Columbia Lakes,Texas,USA

... 20) What is the connection between the Bush family and Bin Laden? ...What country of origin were the terrorists' passports from? ... Where is this money? ...
http://www.freepressinternational.com/911.families.07.24.2004.html


3,823 posted on 07/24/2004 2:33:00 PM PDT by JustPiper (Something happened- Nothing's Working- Everything's a lie)
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To: JustPiper

Purported Threat to Italy and Australia Over Iraq

"Australian people, if your government refuses to withdraw ... we will shake the ground beneath your feet ... and columns of rigged cars will not stop," said the previously unheard of Islamic Tawhid Group, the al Qaeda organization, Europe.

"Italian people, we advise you accept our offer and if you refuse you will hear columns of rigged cars shaking your cities," the group said in a statement posted on a Web site.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20040724/ts_nm/iraq_dc


3,824 posted on 07/24/2004 2:37:12 PM PDT by freeperfromnj
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HANEGBI: Radicals may blow up Temple Mount mosques
Jerusalem Post (subscription) - Jerusalem,Israel

Internal Security Minister Tzahi Hanegbi warned Saturday that Jewish extremists may try to carry out an attack against Arabs on Jerusalem's Temple Mount in ...
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1090653171374&p=1006688055060

GERMAN police raid mosques
Daily Times - Pakistan

STUTTGART: Police raided mosques and Muslim community centres in two southern German states Friday in what authorities said was an attempt to learn more about ...
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_24-7-2004_pg4_4

QASSAM Brigades fire rockets and mortar bombs at Jewish ...
jihadunspun.com - West Vancouver,British Columbia,Canada

NOTE:
Corrected url from previous post:

Gaza - Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of Hamas, fired two Qassam rockets Thursday afternoon at the Jewish colonial outpost of "Miftahim" in southern Palestine ...
http://www.jihadunspun.com/index-side_internal.php?article=11467&list=/home.php&


3,825 posted on 07/24/2004 2:37:48 PM PDT by JustPiper (Something happened- Nothing's Working- Everything's a lie)
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HEADLINES ONLY:

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) Lawyer says defendant charged with murdering Iranian-Canadian photographer was found not guilty.

MEXICO CITY (AP) An official says a judge refused a genocide arrest warrant against a former Mexican president.

DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) Iraq's interim prime minister has urged Egypt not to bow to the demands of diplomat's kidnappers.


3,827 posted on 07/24/2004 2:41:46 PM PDT by JustPiper (Something happened- Nothing's Working- Everything's a lie)
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To: judicial meanz

These guys are the ones with the "plans" to cause harm. Look at the list of things they're gonna do at the RNC.

They must know that they've crossed the line from freedom of speech and entered the realm of sedition.


3,828 posted on 07/24/2004 2:42:57 PM PDT by HipShot ("there is no reason to suspect terrorism")
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To: Cindy; All

The Truth About 9/11 and the War in Iraq
Friday, July 23, 2004
By Bill O'Reilly

The truth about 9/11 and the war in Iraq, that is the subject of this evening's "Talking Points Memo." In just a few moments, we'll talk with the two men in charge of the commission, but here are the report highlights:

• Presidents Clinton and Bush were not guilty of anything but failing to perceive the extent of the Al Qaeda (search ) threat.

• The CIA (search) and FBI (search) were incapable of stopping the attack because of chaos inside those agencies.

• The CIA didn't have good enough intelligence on the ground.

• And the FBI big shots didn't listen to their field agents.

Saddam did have a relationship with Bin Laden, but did not assist him in the 9/11 attack. Those are the headlines. And the committee recommends a new terror czar, approved by the Senate and reporting directly to the president, and much more intense high tech surveillance of U.S. ports of entry and terror suspects.

Now ideologues on both sides will spin the report. But "Talking points" believes it should be left alone.

Very simply, the commission did an excellent job. Page 66 of the 567-page report caught my eye. And it says, "In July [1998], an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan to meet first with the Taliban and then with bin Laden...Similar meetings between Iraqi officials and bin Laden — or his aides may have occurred in 1999 during a period of some reported strains with the Taliban. According to the reporting, Iraqi officials offered bin Laden a safe haven in Iraq. But to date, we have seen no evidence that these or earlier contacts ever developed into a collaborative operational relationship, nor have we seen evidence indicating that Iraq cooperated with Al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the United States."

So put yourself in President Bush's position. According to the Senate investigation, Lord Butler's British investigation and Vladimir Putin, the intelligence assessments on Iraqi WMDs all said Saddam had them. That, of course, turned to be faulty, at least for now.

But Bush and Blair were told the WMDs were inside Iraq. They were also being told that Saddam had a relationship with bin Laden. Do the math. Would you, as president, let that scenario play out while the U.N. dithered around?

What if Saddam Hussein did have anthrax, gave it to Al Qaeda, and a month later San Francisco was attacked? What if President Bush had ignored the intel and a disaster took place? Well, you know the answer. Mr. Bush would have been driven from office and gone down in history as a villain.

Any fair-minded person knows that the president had to act. The remaining legitimate questions concerned the timing and the planning of the Iraq action.

So there you have it — truth is always a good thing.

And that's "The Memo."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,126764,00.html


3,829 posted on 07/24/2004 2:44:54 PM PDT by JustPiper (Something happened- Nothing's Working- Everything's a lie)
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To: freeperfromnj

You're very astute freeperfromnj.

You are thinking out of the box.

Good job.


3,830 posted on 07/24/2004 2:45:51 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: freeperfromnj

There's a lot of garbage on the net.
90-99% is pure chicken manure rhetoric.
It's the other 1-9% that needs to be evaluated.


3,831 posted on 07/24/2004 2:47:42 PM PDT by Cindy
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Hating America
Friday, July 09, 2004
By Bill O'Reilly

Hating America. That is the subject of this evening's "Talking Points Memo." According to a new poll, 40 percent of Canadian teenagers think America is an evil country. Among French-Canadian teens, the number jumps to 64 percent. Those numbers can be laid right on the doorstep of the Canadian media and government

As you may know, the FOX News Channel is not allowed in Canada, but CNN is. Fair and balanced? You decide.

The USA takes a relentless pounding from many Canadian news organizations and from the liberal government. So, what can we expect from the kids? They're not getting a full picture. And neither is most of the world.

Increasingly, the bully America is being portrayed as the devil. And the far left in this country is gleefully piling on. Guys like Michael Moore [are] running around the world telling everybody what a bad place America is. Moore and his enablers should be very proud of themselves

For the benefit of the Canadian kids, let's take a look at the record:

•The foreign and defense policies of Ronald Reagan (search) resulted in the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the freeing of approximately 122 million people in Eastern Europe.

• The state of Israel would cease to exist if not for American protection, and about 5.5 million Jews would be in grave danger.

• Nearly 23 million Taiwanese would be denied freedom if not for American protection. More than 48 million South Koreans would be living under a dictatorship if not for American protection. USA action led to the removal of the Serbian dictator Milosevic (search), who was responsible for the murders of hundreds of thousands of people in the Balkans.

• The USA and Britain removed the Iraqi dictator Hussein, who was responsible for the murders of hundreds of thousands of people in the Middle East. And we have also removed the terrorist Taliban government in Afghanistan.

• America is sending $15 billion to Africa to help victims of AIDS. We were unable to find out how much France contributes, if anything. To be fair, Canada sends $270 million, which is substantial.

• American action in Central America, Grenada (search), and Haiti (search) has kept millions of people out of totalitarian regimes. Of course, all of this has cost every American taxpayer big. And thousands of American servicepeople have lost their lives protecting people overseas.

It is insulting and dishonest for Americans and Canadians and Europeans to condemn this country because they don't like certain policies. Dissent is good. Slander is unacceptable.

The truth is that the USA has freed more human beings in 230 years than the rest of the world combined. France has freed almost no one. Ditto Canada.

So, pardon me as I object to the Michael Moores of the world — and that man is too cowardly to come in here, all right? Pardon me as I object to the anti-American foreign press and bums like Chirac in France and Chretien in Canada.

America has a provable history of freeing oppressed people all over the world in fighting evil dictators. Canada should be ashamed that so many of its young people are flat out ignorant. And Americans should wise up and realize we are living in a changing world. Old friends are not necessarily true friends.

And that's "The Memo."


3,832 posted on 07/24/2004 2:48:27 PM PDT by JustPiper (Something happened- Nothing's Working- Everything's a lie)
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To: Cindy

correction: 1-10%


3,833 posted on 07/24/2004 2:48:39 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: HipShot; Old Sarge

From what I understand from reading their garbage, they not only know, but they dont care one iota.

These are the RNC disruptors?


Sarge: Ping to 3786 and the following.


3,834 posted on 07/24/2004 2:49:58 PM PDT by judicial meanz (I'm sick of wimpy liberal girlymen with documents stuffed in their pants trying to pass as real men)
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The Smearing of America Continues
Wednesday, July 14, 2004
By Bill O'Reilly

The smearing of America continues. That is the subject of this evening's "Talking Points Memo." While the federal government is punishing lewd behavior on the public airwaves, something far worse is going unchallenged by the Feds. Slander, libel, and defamation have now become profit centers with weasels putting out vicious falsehoods and running to the banks with their blood money.

The latest atrocity is a rap song by a guy named Jadakiss, who is just a pitiful pawn being run by the huge Vivendi (search) Corporation, a French company that's distributing some of the most vile entertainment "Talking Points" has ever seen.

Here's Jadakiss's contribution to the Arts:

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JADAKISS, RAPPER: Why would n***** push pounds and powder? Why did Bush knock down the towers? Why you around them cowards? Why Aaliyah have to take that flight? Why Halle have to let a white man pop her to get a Oscar? Why Denzel have to be crooked before he took it? Why they didn't make the CL6 with a clutch? And if you don't smoke, why the hell you reachin' for my dutch?

END VIDEO CLIP)

So, according to this smear merchant, President Bush is responsible for murdering 3,000 people and actress Halle Berry (search) won an Academy Award (search) because she had sex with a white man. This is freedom of speech?

So, it's impossible for famous people to sue and win defamation judgments, and the Vivendi Corporation knows it. Thus, slanderers are running wild, saying anything they want, no matter how despicable and getting paid for doing it.

The laws need to be changed. Somebody defames a public figure, that somebody in the corporation behind the smear should be held liable.

Both President Bush and Halle Berry should be able to sue Vivendi and Jadakiss (search) for millions. Enough's enough. You have a movie grossing millions of dollars. It's filled with provable lies. You have best-selling books that defame and injure for no purpose other than profit. You have so-called music that spews hate and encourages criminal activity. And you thought Howard Stern (search) was bad?

The Factor, of course, is boycotting everything Vivendi produces because it's a French corporation, but I urge every responsible American to make sure you're not holding its stock, symbol "V" victor on the New York exchange.

I also urge congress people and senators to draft legislation that would impose fines on companies that distribute provable defamation. That's the only way to bring the smear merchants down because business is good in their evil world, and they'll justify anything and everything.

There's no talking to these people. You got to hit them where it hurts — in the wallet.

And that's "The Memo."


3,835 posted on 07/24/2004 2:51:14 PM PDT by JustPiper (Something happened- Nothing's Working- Everything's a lie)
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To: oceanview

IF you recall the hydrogen bomb tests on bikini, where all the WWII ships were in the bay, the first Hydrogen bomb didnt even capsize most of the ships. They dangled a second Hydrogen bomb some 80 feet below one of the ships to actually sink the fleet. No tsunamis resulted although I believe they were concerned about them.


3,836 posted on 07/24/2004 2:51:37 PM PDT by SwankyC
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The 9-11 Commission's Final Report
Friday, July 23, 2004

This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," July 22, 2004 that has been edited for clarity.

Watch The O'Reilly Factor weeknights at 8 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET and listen to the Radio Factor!

BILL O'REILLY HOST: Now for the top story tonight, joining us from Washington, Governor Thomas Kean, the chairman of the 9/11 Commission and vice chair Congressman Lee Hamilton.

Again, congratulations, gentlemen. I thought it was an excellent report. I agree with everything you said. Counterterrorism center should be set up. Current position at the CIA should be replaced by a national intelligence director. Sub cabinet — levels, posts — I think you really did an excellent job.

All right, governor, in my analysis, am I making any mistakes or overlooking anything important?

THOMAS KEAN, 9/11 COMMISSION CHAIR: As usual, your analysis is pretty good. I would spend perhaps a little more time on some of the recommendations. We think there are two important jobs we have to do, of course.

One is to tell really the definitive story of 9/11. And I think we did that, bringing some new facts to light.

But secondly, and perhaps more importantly, is looking forward with these recommendations. And the things we learned about 9/11 enabled us to make these recommendations, which we think if we can get them enacted, will simply make the American people safer.

O'REILLY: When I concentrated on the overall global war on terror, including Iraq, I did it for a reason. I took your report, Congressman Hamilton, and I wanted to present it to the American people, because they have to make a very important decision come November.

And there's a lot of slander and defamation and outright lying about the war on terror, which I believe is vitally important. And that's why I think your document, your investigation is so important because it gives Americans some level of truth to counteract the propaganda. Do you see that?

LEE HAMILTON, 9/11 COMMISSION VICE CHAIR : I think it's very important to point out here that we are not investigating, did not investigate the war on Iraq. We investigated 9/11.

In your comments a moment ago, I think you are on the mark. Your language about chaos in the CIA, I think, was a little overstated. But I think there were clearly problems there.

I think you correctly stated how we assessed President Clinton and President Bush's reaction to al Qaeda and Usama bin Laden. Both of them thought he was a threat. Both of them took a number of steps, diplomatic, military, and others. None of them were successful. But they were genuinely concerned about that threat.

But they did not perceive, as indeed the American people did not perceive, the gravity of the threat in the sense that we could lose 3,000 lives in an hour's time.

But I want to be very clear that our statement with regard to Iraq — the contacts which you mentioned between Iraq and al Qaeda and Usama bin Laden, we think they occurred. We do not think there was a cooperative, collaborative relationship...

O'REILLY: Yes, and I see that.

HAMILTON: ...with regard to the — that's right. With regard to...

O'REILLY: And that's clear, but...

HAMILTON: With regard to 9/11.

O'REILLY: Congressman Hamilton, I want to ask you a very direct question. You put yourself in the position of the president of the United States, all right, right after 9/11 happened. You're being told WMDs are in Iraq, all right, by the Russian intelligence, British intelligence and your own CIA

You know — because you guys found this out, that Saddam had a relationship with bin Laden. Clearly the president of the United States shouldn't — couldn't just let Saddam Hussein sit there. And that's the point I was trying to make, sir.

HAMILTON: I understand that, but you're drawing me into waters I don't want to go into.

O'REILLY: I know you don't. That's what we do here. How about you, Governor Kean? You want to weigh in on that?

KEAN: Not really, because that isn't the main subject of our report.

O'REILLY: I know, but it's important for the nation, you see? Because this — they've taken the terrorism thing — you guys know this — because you saw it in your own — and one of the good things about your report is unlike the hearings, you stripped away all of the partisan b.s. in the report. And I admire that. But you know that your report is going to be used for political reasons. And that's why I'm bringing this up.

KEAN: Well, you know something? I think the American people at this point — on this subject and the subject of protecting themselves from terrorists, I think the candidates who try to spin this for political reasons are taking a risk. Because I really think — I mean, we had just a news conference with a number of Republicans and Democrats led by McCain, and Lieberman, a bunch of people in the House.

We got wonderful comments from President Bush, good comments from Senator Kerry. There seems to be, at least in my mind, and maybe I'm naive, but some sort of a bipartisan consensus forming around this issue of protecting a nation against terror. And I think this is what the American people want. I think those politicians who choose to spin this and polarize it and to partisanize it are going to get themselves in some trouble.

O'REILLY: OK, well that's very interesting. And I agree. I don't think anybody can oppose this report. But I do know they're going over it and trying to point out things that'll help.

KEAN: We had an interesting thing, by the way. When we got into a discussion on the commission, and we started to really disagree on some things, we had a mantra. And it's let go back to the facts.

O'REILLY: Right.

KEAN: We have to agree on the facts.

O'REILLY: And that's why this report is fascinating, because it is factually based.

Now Congressman Hamilton — you and Governor Kean are patriots, by the way. And I can't tell you how much I admire you both. And I hope the audience knows that. You're patriots. You did this, you were called out of your other lives to do this. And you did an excellent job.

You, sir, Congressman Hamilton, what is the one thing, the most important thing you took away — and I'm going ask you the same question, governor? The one thing? Most important thing?

HAMILTON: Well, the most important thing by far is the manner in which the American people responded to 9/11. Tragedy of untold proportions. We listened to testimony that would rip your heart out. And yet if you see the resilience and the strength of the American people in responding to that, it's really a very inspiring story. And that story continues. It doesn't cut off...

O'REILLY: OK.

HAMILTON: ...in a few weeks after 9/11.

O'REILLY: How about you, governor, the most important thing you took away? 30 seconds, sir?

KEAN: How unprepared, really, we were, for what happened. Starting with Blackhawk down — these people were trying to kill Americans. They killed a number of Americans along the way incident after incident after incident. We knew they had the capability to do so. We knew they were threatening citizens in the United States, whether military or civilian. And yet, nobody put it together, either for the president of the United States, the Congress, or for the American people.

O'REILLY: Well, some of the guys did, but they couldn't get it through.

KEAN: Very few, very few.

O'REILLY: Right, the FBI guy in New York.

KEAN: Yes, that's correct.

O'REILLY: Gentlemen, thanks very much. We really appreciate it. And I recommend everybody read this report. It's excellent.


3,837 posted on 07/24/2004 2:53:57 PM PDT by JustPiper (Something happened- Nothing's Working- Everything's a lie)
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To: JustPiper; Pegita

A prayer to Bless all those who keep this thread moving, for all of us daily lurkers who rely on all of their hard work. More importantly, to remind us that we have the gift of the holy spirit's peace and comfort and that GOD is in control.


3,838 posted on 07/24/2004 2:54:25 PM PDT by NanaDory8
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To: judicial meanz

I don't know if they are the disruptors are not. I tend to throw all anarchists, socialists, communists and left wing freaks into the same bucket.


3,839 posted on 07/24/2004 2:56:35 PM PDT by HipShot ("there is no reason to suspect terrorism")
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To: HipShot

I'm guaranteed 100% pure IRREGULAR!

Fiber! Sorry, couldn't resist.


3,841 posted on 07/24/2004 3:31:22 PM PDT by NanaDory8
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To: jerseygirl

That was a strange story about the spiritualist. The only problem we have is storage of canned cat food. Husband recently learning TUNA for humans does not come with a tabbed pull-off lid. Makes me wonder why they make it easier for us to feed our cats, than to feed ourselves. Next question, why no mouse flavored cat food, or are they afraid it would disgust the PC buyers or the PETA crowd?


3,842 posted on 07/24/2004 3:34:07 PM PDT by MamaDearest (Kerry says a strong America begins at home - well duh, where else would it begin? China? Russia?)
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To: JustPiper

She made me a granny at 41!

Nani, Keep it up and at 55 you'll have 8 like me.


3,843 posted on 07/24/2004 3:35:54 PM PDT by NanaDory8
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To: oceanview

"during US atomic tests in the Pacific Ocean, I do not believe tsunamis were generated"

You are correct. They were all above ground vs underwater.

However, what we are talking about is the completed fracture of the side of an island and it's plunge into deep water. It could be caused by an earthquake or a volcanic eruption from natures side. What I was refering to was the possibility of placing bombs along the present fault line and get the same job done.

All the models estimate a 300+ foot wave slamming into the East Coast @ 500+ mph 9 or so hours after the event.


3,844 posted on 07/24/2004 3:40:06 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: MamaDearest; Donna Lee Nardo
I'm lurking at my father-in-law's home and tying up his phone with a dial up connection so I obviously won't be able to spend hours here until next Thursday. But I just couldn't resist this one.

Take it from me, MOUSE tastes awful! And do you have any idea of how many mice it takes to make a real meal??? Between gutting, skinning, cooking and the meat shrinkage resultant....sheeeesh!

Donna, have you rented Omega Man yet? I also think you would truly enjoy a movie called Night of the Comet.

3,846 posted on 07/24/2004 3:53:43 PM PDT by ExSoldier (M1A: Any mission. Any conditions. Any foe. At any range.)
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To: Donna Lee Nardo

:D

I got a chuckle from that one. ;)


3,847 posted on 07/24/2004 3:58:08 PM PDT by nwctwx
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To: freeperfromnj

You are probably right. Hitting one of the conventions would be extremely tough.

It would be a good time to hit though, there will be large TV audiences who will be able to see destruction quickly; wherever it may be. Although, I hear 15,000 media will be there, so maybe nothing else will be covered. ;)


3,848 posted on 07/24/2004 4:00:25 PM PDT by nwctwx
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To: All
re: Annie Jacobsen

Air marshals say passenger 'overreacted'

3,849 posted on 07/24/2004 4:11:49 PM PDT by JellyJam
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To: freeperfromnj
A caller to the Roth show asked the plaintive question: If we know the candidates are Bush and Kerry, then why do we need a Republican or Democratic Convention? If both of the political parties contributed these amounts to secure our nation's borders, it would show their determination to protect citizens, but NOOOOOOOOOOO. Instead we'll get the candidates who we already know are running. Additionally, both conventions will raise security risks in the cities where they are held and endanger the citizens of those cities as well as the candidate(s) we look to as our next President.

Cost of 2000 Democratic Convention

Cost of Republican Convention

Mexican Illegals get 30 "Free" Border Crossing Attempts

US Border Report This is not a current report, but you will get the idea once you see it.

3,850 posted on 07/24/2004 4:19:52 PM PDT by MamaDearest (Kerry says a strong America begins at home - well duh, where else would it begin? China? Russia?)
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