Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Animal rights v science: battle over new vivisection lab at Oxford turns violent
The Guardian ^ | Monday July 19, 2004 | Alok Jha

Posted on 07/19/2004 7:46:42 AM PDT by presidio9

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-44 next last
To: 50 Cal

LOL! I guess I did set myself up for that. Hehe....


21 posted on 07/19/2004 9:18:09 AM PDT by Jivana108 (Dont mistake kindness for weakness...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Jivana108

Yea but hopefully it will give you a good laugh for the day!


22 posted on 07/19/2004 9:20:24 AM PDT by 50 Cal (Next time you think nobody cares if you exist just don't pay the IRS!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: mattdono

Quick question.

Is the Bush 3:16 a reference to John 3:16 For God so loved....

Sorry I just did not get the 3:16 reference.


23 posted on 07/19/2004 9:23:47 AM PDT by 50 Cal (Next time you think nobody cares if you exist just don't pay the IRS!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: 50 Cal

Definately!! :)


24 posted on 07/19/2004 9:25:42 AM PDT by Jivana108 (Dont mistake kindness for weakness...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Jivana108

Well, I was trying to explain to my daughter that while certain things didn't need to be tested on animals and it is ok for her to look at that, she needed to understand the other side of that coin. You should know you are talking to a farmer here, so I also have a duty to my daughter to teach her about life on the farm and how things work. Like the fact that the steer in the barn will be in the freezer soon. Tis life!


25 posted on 07/19/2004 9:27:12 AM PDT by curlewbird
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Jivana108
A couple of people I know are vegetarians and have many other ideas I don't completely agree with but they're welcome at my place because they're willing to discuss our differences reasonably.We have some very interesting talks.

I'll be very glad to hear your thoughts when I run into you here on FR. :)

.

I harvest a "lot" of wild critters.Just hate to see anything in pain and always have,so when I kill,it's a clean kill.

26 posted on 07/19/2004 9:49:01 AM PDT by Free Trapper (Because we ate the green mammals first!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Jivana108
Do you also protest by not buying/using the medicines that were developed for diseases using animal testing? Just wondering.
27 posted on 07/19/2004 10:03:26 AM PDT by Travelgirl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Free Trapper; Jivana108

Good time for a change of tag line. :o)


28 posted on 07/19/2004 10:04:50 AM PDT by Free Trapper (ALF & ELF - Next Generation Bog People)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Travelgirl

I only buy medications if its absolutely necessary. Otherwise, I try not to rely on Western medicine. I use mostly Natural medications, Homeopathy and other Alternative medicines. If its absolutely, possitively unavoidable, then of course my family and I will use Antibiotics, but only as a last resort. If its so dangerous that it needs to be tested on animals first, then maybe we shouldnt be researching these sortof things... Anyone ever thought of that?


29 posted on 07/19/2004 10:21:43 AM PDT by Jivana108 (Dont mistake kindness for weakness...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Free Trapper

Huh?


30 posted on 07/19/2004 10:22:28 AM PDT by Jivana108 (Dont mistake kindness for weakness...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Jivana108
I see today is your Second Month Anniversary on FR. Welcome! :)

Do you know what a tagline is?

31 posted on 07/19/2004 10:58:10 AM PDT by Free Trapper (ALF & ELF - Next Generation Bog People)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: 50 Cal
I guess, sort of. (see the link below for details).

For me, I liked the quote (and the graphic) because there is a wrestler who has a similar moniker...he is from Texas, he doesn't take crap from anyone, and he kicks some ass whenever he needs to.

That seems to describe the president so I grabbed the graphic. The graphic actually comes from someone selling t-shirts. Here's a link to the website >>> Bush 3:16.

32 posted on 07/19/2004 11:09:04 AM PDT by mattdono ([mattdono to John Kerry]: I voted for you...right before I voted against you.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Free Trapper

I know what my tagline is, but why would I change it?


33 posted on 07/19/2004 11:10:00 AM PDT by Jivana108 (Dont mistake kindness for weakness...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Jivana108
Sorry I wasn't clear,I just changed my own and thought I'd let you know what I think of ALF & ELF.

That's why I addressed my post to myself,first.

34 posted on 07/19/2004 11:15:18 AM PDT by Free Trapper (ALF & ELF - Next Generation Bog People)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: presidio9

Once duly convicted, these terrorists should be sentenced to serve their terms in research labs . . . as test animals.


35 posted on 07/19/2004 12:26:20 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jivana108

Of course, a lot of "natural" and "alternative" medicines are made from plants which are in danger of extinction and/or taken from the wild with no care whatsoever for the damage done the ecosystems from which they're taken.


36 posted on 07/19/2004 12:28:59 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: GovernmentShrinker

Im sorry but can you back that up with actual evidence or facts? Exactly what plants are going extinct due to natural medicine? If you disagree with me, thats fine, you have that right, but dont pull BS out of your ass just for the sake of arguing. Name ONE plant.... if you can. Name ONE ecosystem if you can.


37 posted on 07/19/2004 12:42:42 PM PDT by Jivana108 (Dont mistake kindness for weakness...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Jivana108; GovernmentShrinker

Some herbs are more effective if they are wildcrafted, such as rooibos. Many are now grown on big organic farms, the same way salmon are being farmed. The only instance I've read about herbs going extinct is goldenseal, but they grow it like they grow aloes now.


38 posted on 07/19/2004 12:46:54 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: Jivana108
Here are just a few. There are many more.

Prunus africana -- Africa (see http://www.futureharvest.org/news/prunusrelease.shtml )
Nothatodytes foetida -- India and Sri Lanka
Saussurea lappa -- India
Fritillaria cirrhosa -- China

See also: http://www.worldwildlife.org/trade/faqs_medicinal.cfm http://www.envirolink.org/articles/jan98-3.html

39 posted on 07/19/2004 2:42:50 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: cyborg; Jivana108

Part of the problem with the promotion of "natural" medicine as being better than other types, is that it cultivates a market preference for wild-grown products (plants and animals). And in fact, wild-grown products sometimes do have properties that farm-grown alternatives don't. One example I'm familiar with is the fatty acid DHA. The only natural food source of it for humans is fish, but the fish are getting it from algae, so farm-grown fish don't contain it.

From an environmental and anti-cruelty standpoint, "unnatural" medicines and supplements are often better -- such as the algae-derived supplement form of DHA. There are at least as many animals suffering in the gathering and production of "traditional medicines", as are suffering in research for synthesized pharmaceuticals. And even though there is little Western demand for things like rhino horn and bear gall, the huge Western demand for the plant medicines which are associated with the same traditional medicine systems as the animal "medicines", legitimizes the entire systems in the minds of the uneducated people, who are still the main consumers of these things.

BTW, for ethical reasons, I've been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for 29 years, and don't wear leather or fur.


40 posted on 07/19/2004 3:01:33 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-44 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson