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Plastic Wrap Barrier Causes Motorcycle Crash
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ^ | July 16, 2004 | DARRYL ENRIQUEZ

Posted on 07/19/2004 9:01:53 AM PDT by BluegrassScholar

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To: mvpel

. . . or a nice 5 snap wrap-around. I ground up one of these rather nicely myself, back when I was younger and more foolish. You could see the imprint from my face plain as day; the nose, the cheekbones, the chin, eye sockets. Two of the five snaps were ground completely off, yet the shield still held. It saved my face that November evening so long ago.
101 posted on 07/19/2004 7:54:29 PM PDT by BraveMan
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To: JoeSixPack1
There's a guy around these parts who runs THREE nitrous bottles on his Bagger; two of the little 4" diameter x 12" ones (one on each saddlebag rack) and one BIG one hanging below the Tour Pak, all chromed. He tells me he went to three because he was tired of running empty in a single night. He says it'll do wheelies in fourth gear.

Big strapping Indian Outlaw dude. He's either full of Barbara Streisand or stone cold crazy; I can't decide which.
102 posted on 07/19/2004 8:07:34 PM PDT by BraveMan
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To: JoeSixPack1

Oh yea, and real quiet pipes. Go figure . . .


103 posted on 07/19/2004 8:10:04 PM PDT by BraveMan
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To: BluegrassScholar
Good Evening All-

BluegrassScholar, wow, this is quite a disturbing news article you've found. Needless to say, once they find the assh*les responsible, they should cool their heels in jail for a LONG time.

Even more disturbing are the FReepers who are thinking, "Gee, that motorcycle trap made from cellophane sounds like a great idea to get back at riders with loud pipes..." I don't detect any sarcasm or see [/rant] tags, so some of our online cohorts have r-e-a-l problems with which to contend.

Factories use this stuff to wrap furniture, pallets of food, and plenty of other shipping/industrial applications. Stretched tightly across a roadway, it would take down a motorcyclist as sure as God made apples. It's premeditated and should pack a wallop for punishment.

~ Blue Jays ~

104 posted on 07/19/2004 8:10:24 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Rebelbase

what do pinto beans on a lawn do?


105 posted on 07/19/2004 8:14:09 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: BraveMan
He's either full of Barbara Streisand or stone cold crazy...

First,, wow, guys got enough nitrous to last all night!!

Second,, I always give the benefit of the doubt when i suspect a load of BS just to be polite, so this guy is stone cold bone scrapping nuts!! Don't ride with 'im!!

I can only suspect that he's going after the v-twin japs. Serious spurtin' to take on a op-6 valk or, what is it, kowie or yamamamamaha 1800cc 2 wheel rocket ships. If he's a low-life he's not running into to many TP 141cube or Merch v-twins in his circle of friends which is what he is bottled up to do with a dresser vs big v-twin slammers.

And what kind of highway driving can this bozo do? hehehhe Wherever he's going it sounds like he doesn't plan on spending a lot of time getting there.

<|:-)~~

106 posted on 07/19/2004 8:23:46 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (Freedom Stands Because Heroes Serve.)
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To: MineralMan

It was a yellow rice rocket.


107 posted on 07/19/2004 8:26:31 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Arthalion; Modernman
Good Evening All-

Posted by Arthalion:
"...When that dumba** kid rode into my tiger pit (3-foot deep concrete-lined pit designed specifically to catch and forcibly dismount dirtbike riders coming up my road) his dad tried to have me arrested and then tried to sue. In both cases, he had no case because the traps were set inside not only my property line, but my gated fenceline. That particular kid had actually knocked my brand new $300 gate over and gunned it up my road without knowing that there was an open trap ahead.

Both the police and the judge said the same thing...they were forcibly tresspassing, and the boys' injuries directly resulted from that. I could have strung Saran Wrap, concertina, or a flipping piano wire across the road, and it's unlikely that I would have been held any more responsible..."

*************************

Arthalion, I don't know you and you don't know me...but I'm waving the BS flag here. I don't believe you're telling the entire truth. There isn't a state in this country who would accomodate your well-documented propensity to cause bodily damage. Hey, you even said it on the Internet.

Just because I don't like schoolkids cutting through my yard doesn't mean I can dig a trench as deep as the tallest, wide as the fattest, and line it with punji sticks just because it's my yard. It would be classified as a crime.

~ Blue Jays ~

108 posted on 07/19/2004 8:26:38 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: mvpel

the full face would have snapped his neck like a noose.

the chin strap acts like a hangman's noose.

Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 218, which is the standar for motorcycle helmets, not no standard to adress tension on the neck rotation.

It is a product defect with is litigated when the neck is snapped but the rider does not die.


109 posted on 07/19/2004 8:30:07 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

Do you mean the chin strap, which is present on every motorcycle helmet, or the chin bar across the face of a full-face helmet? I presume the latter...


110 posted on 07/19/2004 8:39:26 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: JoeSixPack1
Like the old saying goes, "Theres no replacement for displacement" . . .

Feuling Motor Company
111 posted on 07/19/2004 8:56:09 PM PDT by BraveMan
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To: mvpel

sorry about the typos.

the chin strap.

if you hit a full face on the lower chin the head is jerked back causig the snap. It is a specific liability problem of full face helmets. (picture if you will a nice upward directed of a baseball bat impacting the lower chin point of the helmet. The whole helmet moves back suddenly with the chin strap acting as a noose.)

It was first discovered during the 1950's when the navy was trying to figure out why their pilots who ejected into the ocean were turning up dead from broken necks. It resulted in design changes.

The same effort is more difficult on full face helmets which have added weight.



112 posted on 07/19/2004 8:56:29 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: JoeSixPack1
V-twins valve geometry have a minimal % of overlap where both valves are open. Straight pipes and over baffled pipes fail the basic designs by not allowing the exhaust gases room to create a vacuum from that overlap which pulls more air into the chamber thus making a bigger boom in the chamber giving you more HP.

Exactly, which is why I have have the stock crossover pipe on my Sporty with modified slip-on baffles. I have all the WOT I need, but with enough reversion that I haven't sacrificed any mid-range torque to get it.

113 posted on 07/19/2004 9:06:12 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Arthalion

I normally don't do this, but you're just flat out lying. Booby-trapping is illegal. It doesn't even matter if you booby-trap your house behind locked doors. If this kids father had called the cops as you say, you'd be behind bars, and if this kids father had gotten a lawyer as you say, he'd own everything you have.


114 posted on 07/19/2004 9:09:11 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas

Barricades on private property aren't boobytraps, as far as I can tell--even if they are difficult to see at a high rate of speed. If they are, then a lot of existing barbed wire fences are booby traps. Heck I've even run into barbed wire in the woods just walking.


115 posted on 07/19/2004 9:15:30 PM PDT by WorldWatcher1
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To: longtermmemmory

If something is going to hit the chin hard enough to snap someone's neck, wouldn't that also be hard enough to smash the entire lower portion of someone's face into a crunchy jumble of pulp and bone fragments?


116 posted on 07/19/2004 9:16:10 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: WorldWatcher1

Conceal one and find out.


117 posted on 07/19/2004 9:23:54 PM PDT by Melas
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To: BraveMan

Never pick an argument with anything named FEULING!


118 posted on 07/19/2004 9:31:01 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (Freedom Stands Because Heroes Serve.)
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To: Melas
I don't believe it for a moment. Even without looking, I'll tell you those are dirt bikes, not Harley's.

I could very well be mistaken--I do know less than nothing about motorcycles. I could swear the familiar silver H-D logo was on them, but it's possible I didn't see accurately when trying to leap out of their way. It was noticeable that they didn't have the knobby tires one would expect with off-road vehicles, but the paths are very smooth and level and perhaps these wouldn't be necessary.

119 posted on 07/19/2004 10:33:06 PM PDT by Capriole (DO NOT WRITE IN THIS SPACE. FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY.)
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To: Melas
I don't believe it for a moment. Even without looking, I'll tell you those are dirt bikes, not Harley's.

I could very well be mistaken--I do know less than nothing about motorcycles. I could swear the familiar silver H-D logo was on them, but it's possible I didn't see accurately when trying to leap out of their way. It was noticeable that they didn't have the knobby tires one would expect with off-road vehicles, but the paths are very smooth and level and perhaps these wouldn't be necessary.

120 posted on 07/19/2004 10:36:28 PM PDT by Capriole (DO NOT WRITE IN THIS SPACE. FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY.)
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To: Melas
Good Evening All-

Posted by Melas:
"...I normally don't do this, but you're just flat out lying. Booby-trapping is illegal..."

Melas, there is extra on this notion in Post# 108. We're in agreement on this topic.

~ Blue Jays ~

121 posted on 07/19/2004 11:13:05 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Melas; BraveMan; martin_fierro

I also have a new stock cross over pipe w/ hooker slip-on exhaust (old one had a stress crack down by r/s passenger foot peg)

and

Screaming Eagle(SE) 9.2X1 HC heads (*uses the same sparkplug as sportster)
Weisco piston (Flat)
Jugs punched .030 over
Shaved .014 off the bottom of each jug
SE ring kit
SE high output coil
SE Adjustable push rods
SE Hyd Lifters
Roller rockers tappets
Andrews EV-51 cam (Dumped the ev-27)
44mm SE carb w/thunder slide kit (+ couple of big jets)
SE breather kit & air cleaner
2002 HD TC open air intake
Crane Fireball high-4 ignition modual w/exhaust sensor
1 tooth oversize drive pulley
AM/Fm/cassette, cig lighter

ash tray, toilet, sink, sleeper...oops wrong vehicle..

and a partridge in a pear tree

1995 EVO 1340 rubber mount w/over 83k miles FLHTC

<|:-)~~


122 posted on 07/19/2004 11:39:57 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (Freedom Stands Because Heroes Serve.)
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To: JoeSixPack1

I think after 22 years my old shovel is ready for a companion. Are they putting the twin cam 88 in the FLHs yet?

I'm getting too old for that 'bugs in the face' stuff . . .


123 posted on 07/20/2004 5:15:00 AM PDT by BraveMan
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To: BraveMan

Yes. Since '99. Check these guys out below,


http://www.accurate-engineering.com/


124 posted on 07/20/2004 5:20:57 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (Freedom Stands Because Heroes Serve.)
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To: TheBattman

Up north, a 1/4 stick is like a huge M-80 firecracker....about 5 times the black powder of a m-80......makes a m-80 sound like a pop gun.


125 posted on 07/20/2004 5:28:47 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: BraveMan

Hey, if you're looking to buy, there is a silver lining to the yuppie invasion.

1 to 2, year old bikes that have sat in garages with less than 3 thousand miles are easy to find (Usually with one or 2 scrapes on the fairing or windshield from stagnate drops). 50% of the morons who are first time buyers, first time riders and wallets to big for their pants let their bikes age gracefully in storage, too ashamed to put on the market for fear of the better half giving them the "I told you so" zinger.


Go find one that fits! <|:-)~~


126 posted on 07/20/2004 5:32:25 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (Freedom Stands Because Heroes Serve.)
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To: null and void

"Burying saw blades where they gun it to go up a hill works too.

It's a long contemplative walk back pushing a heavy bike with shredded tires..."

You, sir or madam, and the person you replied to, are seriously f!#$ed in the head. Seek help.


127 posted on 07/20/2004 5:45:05 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: Melas

On the subject of LOUD PIPES I must say, I don't like them. They're annoying to pretty much everyone within earshot and they're make our (motorcyclists') image with the public even worse than it already is.

BTW, my stock-mufflered 1000cc V-Twin powered bike makes about 90 HP and will do the quarter mile in about 11.5 seconds, which makes it more powerful and quicker than about 90% of the loud-piped Harleys on the road, all without pissing off all and sundry. And given a place to do it it would run all day at or near its HP peak.


128 posted on 07/20/2004 6:01:15 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: -YYZ-

What makes you so sure I haven't?


129 posted on 07/20/2004 7:05:06 AM PDT by null and void (Middle East n. former name for the region commonly known as Oil Under Glass)
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To: -YYZ-

Ahhhhh! You 'get it'.

Thanks!


130 posted on 07/20/2004 7:06:38 AM PDT by null and void (Middle East n. former name for the region commonly known as Oil Under Glass)
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To: Arthalion
That particular kid had actually knocked my brand new $300 gate over and gunned it up my road without knowing that there was an open trap ahead.

Ah... That makes sense, actually. If you had just put traps all over your property but had no fence around it, things would have been different.

131 posted on 07/20/2004 7:06:42 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: Looking4Truth
Yeah, I've got a Harley with open drag pipes, try that with me and see what happens. I'll ride it whenever I want!

Number One reason people hate harley riders.

132 posted on 07/20/2004 7:10:42 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Melas
Booby-trapping is illegal

Digging ditches, re-grading your property and putting up barricades to keep people from driving over it is probably legal. However, pits full of punji stakes or spring-guns certainly are not.

133 posted on 07/20/2004 7:12:59 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: null and void

"What makes you so sure I haven't?"

Well, I guess I was really more PO'd at the person you were responding to, who was advocating something almost certain to cause serious injuries or death to a rider. Your suggestion, while still unacceptable in my mind, would most likely just result in a broken bike, although a sudden complete blowout of a front tire at speed could certainly cause a crash that could result in injury.

And yeah, I'm a firm believer in "Less sound equals more ground" for dirt bikes. For street bikes the insistence of some idiots to run pipes that are way too loud, and to ride in such a way that maximizes the noise, is already starting to affect the rights of riders to ride their machines on some public roads and many gated communities. No reasonable person could object to the sound that my bike makes. Sure, I like the sound of deep, throaty pipes, whether on a cruiser, sport bike, or even on cars, but I'm mature enough to realize that not everyone shares my enthusiasm for such things, any more than I appreciate those droopy-drawed bling-bling boys in their rice-boy cars with 1000 watt stereo systems and fart-cans.


134 posted on 07/20/2004 7:32:14 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: Blue Jays; Melas; Modernman
Wow, I haven't been accused of that since the Laci threads :) What I said is the truth, but it's not the entire story (the entire story could fill a small novel, and the pits intent wasn't really to dismount bike riders). The short summary is this: I wasn't just trying to stop kids from cutting through my yard. People were tearing up my property, cutting my fences, stealing items and vandalizing my vacation home, and all because I'd had the "nerve" to try and stop them from cutting across my land and to force them to ride to the proper trail entrance a mile or so up the road. The problem I had was this: How do you secure a third of a mile of road frontage to prevent people from entering your property when you're not there? Since the land is sloped and I'm uphill from the road, my eventual solution was to have the shoulder widened by cutting into the hillside, so dirtbikers today are presented with a 5 foot tall vertical cliff/cut along my property. This left them with three points of entry: the main gate, and the corners of my neighbors land (my neighbors live on their properties full time, so the bikers typically don't cut through their land). I took care of the property corners with come well placed split-rail fences and by felling some smaller trees across the heavily used trails, and hoped that the locked gate would keep people off the driveway.

Didn't work. I had 5 gates broken in two years. After the fourth gate was broken, someone entered my property and stole a LOT of equipment; two generators, my chainsaws, all of my tools...even the AC unit out of my shop window. When the sheriff's deputy came out, he advised me to figure out a way to make my driveway impassible. I did this by building what I refer to as my "tiger trap". I took my backhoe and dug a hole two feet deep, three feet long (the 3 foot deep was an exagge..rrr...typo), and 12 feet wide at a point in the road where it passes through a small cut (so people can't drive around it). The hole is concrete lined (straight sided, flat bottomed, with only a small drain at the bottom), and has hinged steel plates along one edge. When I'm home, I close the plates, covering the hole and opening the road. When I leave, I lock the plates open leaving a gaping maw in the roadway that only a Hummer could pass.

The goal of the pit wasn't to hurt people, it was to make the road impassible. The inside of the pit is painted dayglo orange to make it visible to people coming up the road, and I even had three construction cones that I put in the roadway just ahead of the hole to block cars from driving into it. There was no criminal case and no civil case because I wasn't an a**hole about it, and I took every reasonable precaution to make sure that nobody fell into the hole. That the kid ignored those precautions, damaged my property to gain access, and then blindly rode into the hole was judged to be unpreventable by me.

Now, if I'd camouflaged the hole, placed pungi sticks at the bottom, or placed land mines in the roadway, I'd agree with you. But the current state of the law says that landowners are only expected to take reasonable precautions to prevent trespassers from harming themselves on your property. The locked gate, the orange paint, and the cones were reasonable enough. Since this occurred, I've replaced the cones with a chain strung between two posts, with bright orange reflectors and a "Road Out" sign bolted to the links.

No BS. Next time I'm up there, I'll take a few photos of the thing and forward them to you :)
135 posted on 07/20/2004 10:19:29 AM PDT by Arthalion
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To: -YYZ-
On the subject of LOUD PIPES I must say, I don't like them. They're annoying to pretty much everyone within earshot and they're make our (motorcyclists') image with the public even worse than it already is.

BTW, my stock-mufflered 1000cc V-Twin powered bike makes about 90 HP and will do the quarter mile in about 11.5 seconds, which makes it more powerful and quicker than about 90% of the loud-piped Harleys on the road, all without pissing off all and sundry. And given a place to do it it would run all day at or near its HP peak.

To each his own. I've never owned a bike with stock mufflers, and I don't intend to ever start. First change I make a performance pipe/muffler and open up the air cleaner.

All bikes can benefit from this simple operation. Even that bad-boy Honda VTX 1800 has another 15HP for the taking by simply opening up the breather and exhaust.

136 posted on 07/20/2004 10:42:28 AM PDT by Melas
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To: JoeSixPack1

Sounds sweet Joe. Since they ruined the Sportster, my next bike will be a 103" Lowrider with SE heads.


137 posted on 07/20/2004 10:44:50 AM PDT by Melas
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To: BraveMan
Yeah, the Twin Cam 88" is being used on all HD's except the Sportsters and the V-rod.

There is a split though, the softails use the 88B, which has chain driven counterbalancers, the dynas and touring bikes are rubber mounted.

The good news is that you have more engine options now. You can get the same engines in 88", 95", 103" and even a "race only" 120" version.

138 posted on 07/20/2004 10:47:15 AM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas
which has chain driven counter-balancers

Bzzzzt oops

Counter bored flywheels with 2 half-moon shaped, free spinning counterweights that negate the flywheels own vibration via the kinetic force created by that vibration.

This is getting to be fun. :-)~

139 posted on 07/20/2004 11:20:10 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (Freedom Stands Because Heroes Serve.)
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To: Melas

My bike doesn't need it. It has a modern airbox system with a large, flat cleaner element, probably close to a sq. ft. in size. Opening it up even more (there are kits available for those who can't leave well enough alone) will produce a lot more intake noise and a small increase in power. Ditto the exhaust system. And it's unnecessary because I already have a power to weight ratio better than a VTX1800 with 15 extra HP from opening up the breather and exhaust.

But that's neither here nor there. My main point was that making a racket with extremely loud or open pipes doesn't increase performance noticeable, but it does piss a lot of people off. Moderately loud pipes and a judicious use of the loud handle may be OK if a lot of your riding is done is essentially unpopulated areas. Where I live even out in the country I'm passing several houses per mile, and I'm pretty sure they didn't move out there so they could listen to unmuffled bikes roar by.

Too often the same guys riding around on straight-pipe cruisers are the same guys who would complain about the racket from kids cruising through their neighbourhood in their Civics with fart-can exhausts and massive stereos pumping out bass you can hear from a block away. I lump them all in together - rice-boys, weekend outlaws with straight pipes, muscle cars with glass packs, whatever. It's all unwanted noise to me and others.


140 posted on 07/20/2004 11:27:37 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: Redbob

""The 1 a.m. ride was supposed to be a short one meant to relax the couple, who have known each other for more than a year."
Let me just guess here:
Harley with open pipes, he regularly takes these 1 AM rides;

Maybe one of his neighbors is not so amused?"

I'm a lifelong biker, but I have to admit thats my first thought on this one. It was stupid to do this.....but its also self centered to ride with pipes that wake the dead.

Personally, I keep my Intruder's baffles intact. I'd rather the police focus on my neighbor and his very loud baffle removed Harley.....(grin)

No excuse for this, and I'm not defending it. However, I do understand neighbors fed up with loud bikes at 1 AM.


141 posted on 07/20/2004 11:32:36 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: MarkL

Salt works better, and if you don't pour out too much, you can write a clever phrase or two on a lawn.....but it will be gone by the next year.

If they have a front lawn with a slight rise, its even better. Passing vehicles can see your "slogan" for the target of your wrath.

Its also very effective a week before a football game away from your home field, btw......LOL!


142 posted on 07/20/2004 11:50:33 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: Rebelbase
I'll have to remember that one next time.

A creative application of Roundup could prove interesting as well.

(Not that I know this from experience of course)

; )

143 posted on 07/20/2004 12:00:50 PM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: Badeye

I live in a gated community. I canvased all my neighbors between me and the front gate and asked if the noise from my bike was in anyway disturbing or bothersome (exact words) to them as I also do the midnight ride routine. Half of them had no idea what I was talking about the other half had no problem and gave me the usual "My cousin owned a harley and..." stories.

When my riding partners come to visit and leave afterdark, they know to back their bikes into the street and have their exhaust aiming up or down the street and not in the driveway aiming at my neighbors as they start em up. I have never had a complaint and have a super quiet neighborhood with a few state troopers and a sheriff in the community.

A little courtesy goes a long long way. Unless of course I scared em all into submission with my handsome looks!!

<|:-)~~

PS even the guys with Thunderheaders can tone down their escape, at least till they get outside the gate and past the troopers house.


144 posted on 07/20/2004 12:02:16 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (Freedom Stands Because Heroes Serve.)
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To: yankeedame
What are the specifics of this plastic wrap

This stuff is ubiquitous. You'll find it in most warehouses. It's used to wrap loaded pallets to insure stability during shipping

145 posted on 07/20/2004 12:12:08 PM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: Arthalion; Melas; Modernman
Good Evening All-

Arthalion, now that's how you relate a story to win friends and influence people!

The cursory (and somewhat adversarial) explanation originally given in Post# 71 is dramatically different from this reasoned, detailed, and vindicating post.

It sounds like you have suffered at the hands of some real lowlifes. The defensive steps you've taken should pretty much ensure an intelligent, law-abiding person would not be injured. Accept my apologies as your situation hardly compares to a bunch of criminals stretching cellophane across a public roadway.

Regards,

~ Blue Jays ~

p.s. Pictures of your arrangement would be very cool attached to this discussion thread. Your "hinged steel plates" solution sounds like it could even thwart car thieves in a suburban environment...

146 posted on 07/20/2004 4:47:02 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: -YYZ-
But that's neither here nor there. My main point was that making a racket with extremely loud or open pipes doesn't increase performance noticeable, but it does piss a lot of people off. Moderately loud pipes and a judicious use of the loud handle may be OK if a lot of your riding is done is essentially unpopulated areas.

I guess I piss a lot of people off then. I'm glad that you like your motorcycle to be quiet, I don't, and that's that.

147 posted on 07/20/2004 5:14:49 PM PDT by Melas
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To: cinFLA
Number One reason people hate harley riders.

Really? Most people fawn all over my bike and love to talk to me about it. The only 'hate' came from a black guy on a Japanese bike. I waved at him and he gave me one of those 'dis' looks. In fact, in my experience, the crotch rocket riders are more elitist than the hog riders. Don't get me started on the 'fart mufflers' the 'tuners' put on their Japanese cars, talk about annoying!!

148 posted on 07/20/2004 5:20:15 PM PDT by Looking4Truth (NEVER trust Muslims to keep their word.)
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To: Looking4Truth

No more annoying to most people than very loud pipes on a cruiser. You're part of the problem, by the sound of it, so you have no right to complain about other people's annoying noise makers. Actually, you have a lot in common with those guys - putting a loud exhaust on an underpowered vehicle that produce no significant gain in power.


149 posted on 07/20/2004 5:55:10 PM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: Melas

So it's whatever pleases you, and screw everyone else, right? When the cops pull you over and hassle you looking for equipment violations, you'll only have to look in the mirror to see who's fault it is.


150 posted on 07/20/2004 5:58:14 PM PDT by -YYZ-
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