Posted on 07/19/2004 11:31:46 AM PDT by veronica
KRISTIANSAND, NORWAY:
Central members of Kristiansand Progress party claims Hitler’s «Mein Kampf» and the Koran are one of the same, and they want Islam banned in Norway.
«We are not the only ones demanding this ban,» said Halvor Hulaas, chairperson in Krstiansand Frp to the paper. «This is an opinion that is well established in Scandinavian countries. We are now importing people with a religion that is practiced in the same way it was practiced when it was established in year 600. The freedom we have in Norway may be taken away from us if we do not start to have some demands to these immigrants.»
Karina Udnæs, deputy leader of the Progress party’s city council group in Kristiansand is pushing it even further.
«It is about high time Norway and Europe make the ideology Islam and the practice of this, illegal and punishable in the same way as Nazism,» Udnæs said. «The prophet Muhammad urged them to kill everyone infidel.»
«Udnæs’ comparison of Nazism and Islam is supported by many in Frp,» Hulaas said. «The religion as it is practiced is a threat against our social system and way of life.»
He said that Kristiansand now lives under the threat of getting a large mosque in town.
«Of course, we are aware of what these mosques are used for,» Hulaas said
Truth bump
"Right-wing politicians want to ban Islam"
Right-wing compared to what? Communist China or the old USSR?
Wanting your country to be free and safe is now to be considered as right-wing extremism?
That's just stupid. Illegal activities of Moslems, yes, but to ban a religion is simply going back to the bad old days, like when the mere fact of being or harboring a Catholic priest in Elizabethan England was a capital offense.
Practicing Nazism during WWII was probably not too legal in the UK and US.
We should take the exact same stance towards Mohammedanism.
Where do I sign up?
Not all Moslems espouse the ideology of the Islamists like al Qaeda. Again, if religious freedom means anything, it is that people are free to practice their religion so long as it does not harm others. If individuals are engaged in fomenting or preparing violent acts of terrorism, then by all means, throw the book at them. Proscribing an entire religion is not narrowly-tailored.
More power to them, although merely classifying the portions of the Quran & hadiths that advocate violence and discrimination against believers in other religions as illegal hate speech and not part of Islam seems a bit more to the point to me.
Start treating Islam as an ideology rather than as a religion--and we'll be able to fight it.
I would also add that of course many countries exiled Jews during the Middle Ages. Do you really want to mete out the same treatment to Moslems, regardless of whether or not they are peaceful citizens?
And not every Nazi marched Jews into the extermination camps.
The fact is, the Mohammedan religion does not seperate church from state. It calls for Mohammedan law to be above all else.
A Mohammedan who doesn't follow the Koran really isn't a Mohammedan, and the Koran calls for the implementation of an Islamic state over all.
How tolerant are Islamic nations of other faiths? Not just "those who follow the God of Abraham" (Jews and Christians) but Hindus, Buddists, Wiccan, etc.
Does Islamic law treat people differently on the basis of their religion? It is a supremicist ideology.
In the absence of reforms, I understand the caution some countries hold.
BTW, I don't know if Germany permits the practice of the religion known as "Scientology". In America, it got official approval during the Clinton Years.
OK,, where are all these peaceful muslem citizens that condemned the worldwide koran driven head lopping, kid killing, plane hijacking terrorism ? They all must be wearing that magical Ali Baba cloak of invisibility.
Not all Moslems espouse the ideology of the Islamists like al Qaeda. Then I propose to you that they are NOT Moehameheads if they don't.
Troll alert.
Since when does christianity preach death to all non-believers of christianity? How many Christians straped bombs on their kids and sent them into a crowd?
Your analogy has more holes than swiss cheese.
Just Damn. Somebody gets it.
Your theory presumes islam to be a religion. It is a cult based on murder and intimidation with very few of your "Moslems" condemning attacks and murder on non-muslims. Maybe some of the Norwegians have figured this out in time to save their culture.
You got my vote
How ironic - a few days ago the UN declared Norway to be the most desirable place to live because of some tripe such as "cultural diversity" or some such crap (somebody help me out here). Guess the UN will be amending their rankings if this gains any traction.
Paul and Jesus preach "render unto Ceasar."
The New Testament *NEVER* calls for a theocracy. It *NEVER* calls for the Church to make itself the highest civil authority, or to involve itself in civil governance at all.
On the other hand, the Koran does.
If a Christian calls for theocracy,( based upon Biblical teaching) they are not following scripture.
If a Muslim calls for the implementation of Shariah Law, they are simply doing what Mohammed commands them to do.
It's a start.
It's a start.
What's your take on this, Ivan?
A step too far, or a means of protecting ones own social identity?
One of the European ping list, Knighthawk?
Ping
Indeed.
"Burn the libraries, for all their value is in the Koran." Caliph Omar.
it is a monster which has no end to its appetite...
Sorry, Muslims....I know there are many Muslims who are peaceful, but your silence in the face of terroism by your fanatical brothers is deafening.....
I don't know if we can trust you....
As corrupt and socialistic and God-less as a lot of Europe has become, at least in many parts, there is peace, and you can pretty much live quietly...
that will all change if Islam is allowed to grow ...
There are no mosques in Greece, right across the Bosporus from neighboring Turkey, a Moslem country- what does that tell you?
Not all Moslems espouse the ideology of the Islamists like al Qaeda.
Only it doesn't show, does it? All we've seen from the Islamic community was silent agreement/approval of the atrocities perpetrated on the behalf of their religion.
Again, if religious freedom means anything, it is that people are free to practice their religion so long as it does not harm others.
Sure, they’ve never harmed a fly, even the Buddists are more aggressive...
If individuals are engaged in fomenting or preparing violent acts of terrorism, then by all means, throw the book at them. Proscribing an entire religion is not narrowly-tailored.
They need to realize that, in the light of the recent events, they are not universally loved, and most of the normal people find mass murder of the innocents as the means of achieving any goal abhorrent.
I could not agree with you more. This is why I do not believe democracy -- at least as we know it -- can work in Iraq.
We already have.
Look up the procedings of the New York State Supreme Court for the year 1892, I beleive, and see that islam is not to be considered a "religion" to be granted Fist Ammendment protections any more than one of the chicken-butchering or virgin sacrificing "religions" of the world.
'Course, PC liberals conveniently ignore things like that.
Now that's a good idea.
Maybe Norroway is earning its position as the best place to live?
What if one of the main tenents of their religion is expressly TO cause harm to others?
Catholic doctrine has called for a Catholic confessional state as the ideal, and yet Catholicism has learned to adapt to modern religious pluralism in a secular democracy. And since not all Moslems living in western countries are terrorists, then it is certainly possible for Islam to coexist with liberty. And of course more Moslems should speak out against terrorism, and too few have (although it is not the case that none have), but unless they are espousing and promoting terrorism, I don't see how religious liberty, which I am surprised none of the posters here seem to give a darn about, can survive.
Obviously, the practice of any tenets that harm others cannot be tolerated. But that is a very different thing from saying that nothing of that religion should be practiced. Frankly, I'm just disgusted at the antipathy to religous freedom, a core value upon which our nation was founded. True conservatives should know better -- for shame, all of you!!!!!
"Not all Moslems espouse the ideology of the Islamists like al Qaeda. Again, if religious freedom means anything, it is that people are free to practice their religion so long as it does not harm others. If individuals are engaged in fomenting or preparing violent acts of terrorism, then by all means, throw the book at them. Proscribing an entire religion is not narrowly-tailored."
Except that their religion requires them to harm infidels, ie: all people that don't practice Islam and wont convert are to be killed. That would be me.
The first amendment doesn't authorize anybody to kill fellow citizens in the name of God. Any religion that commands it should be banned, and anybody that practices it should be expelled.
Not all Moslems interpret their relgion that way, and if they do not implement violent jihad, then I don't see any grounds to prohibit an entire religion.
The first amendment doesn't authorize anybody to kill fellow citizens in the name of God. Any religion that commands it should be banned, and anybody that practices it should be expelled.
Who ever said the First Amendment authorizes murder? I certainly never said that. If someone is committing a crime by inciting or practicing violent activity against others, then criminal charges hould ensue. The First Amendment allows free exercise of religion so long as no one else is harmed. I think it ridiculous to bar islam tout court rather than outlawing criminal and harmfule activities in a narrowly-tailored way. You are undermining religious freedom and the First Amendment, and believe me, the Left will be gunning for the Christians next once the First Amendment restrictions are gotten rid of.
I agree with you completely. Violence, and conspiring to commit acts of violence, are already against the law. Running roughshod over the Bill of Rights isn't the way to preserve our liberties.
"...to ban a religion is simply going back to the bad old days..."
Crapola! Islam is a dangerous cult, not a religion.
"Not all Moslems espouse the ideology of the Islamists like al Qaeda."
Double crapola. A "good" Muslim is one who hasn't yet killed you because he lacked either an opportunity or a weapon.
What is your intrepetation of the koran as pertaining to infidels?
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