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AP: Clinton Adviser Probed in Terror Memos [Sandy Berger is the focus of a criminal investigation]
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Posted on 07/19/2004 5:07:42 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

AP: Clinton Adviser Probed in Terror Memos

3 minutes ago Add U.S. National - AP to My Yahoo!

By JOHN SOLOMON

WASHINGTON - President Clinton (news - web sites)'s national security adviser, Sandy Berger, is the focus of a criminal investigation after admitting he removed highly classified terrorism documents from a secure reading room during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission hearings, The Associated Press has learned.

Berger's home and office were searched earlier this year by FBI (news - web sites) agents armed with warrants. Some drafts of a sensitive after-action report on the Clinton administration's handling of al-Qaida terror threats during the December 1999 millennium celebration are still missing.

Berger and his lawyer said Monday night he knowingly removed handwritten notes he had taken from classified anti-terror documents he reviewed at the National Archives by sticking them in his jacket and pants. He also inadvertently took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio, they said.

"I deeply regret the sloppiness involved, but I had no intention of withholding documents from the commission, and to the contrary, to my knowledge, every document requested by the commission from the Clinton administration was produced," Berger said in a statement to the AP.

Berger served as Clinton's national security adviser for all of the president's second term and most recently has been informally advising Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites). Clinton asked Berger last year to review and select the administration documents that would be turned over to the commission.

The FBI searched Berger's home and office with warrants earlier this year after employees of the National Archives told agents they believed they witnessed Berger put documents into his clothing while reviewing sensitive Clinton administration papers, officials said.

When asked, Berger said he returned some of the classified documents, which he found in his office, and all of the handwritten notes he had taken from the secure room, but said he could not locate two or three copies of the highly classified millennium terror report.

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To: Dolphy

From DU...


librechik (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-19-04 08:30 PM
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2. Ashcroft has nothing better to do except stir up political trouble


WTF

CityDem (358 posts) Mon Jul-19-04 09:00 PM
Original message
This looks bad


Berger and his lawyer said Monday night he knowingly removed handwritten notes he had taken from classified anti-terror documents he reviewed at the National Archives by sticking them in his jacket and pants. He also inadvertently took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio, they said.

What the hell is he doing sticking classified documents in his pants? This will really be a blockbuster if they have this on video. Berger just made it a lot easier for the repubs to blame Clinton for the lack of attention to security prior to 9/11. Also, can Kerry keep Berger on as an advisor? I think not.


DerBeppo (83 posts) Mon Jul-19-04 08:33 PM
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4. whoa.


not good. just the perception of impropriety will equate to something very bad. i don't think this will effect the election numbers, however. but it will facilitate more clinton blaming for 9-11.


wishlist (137 posts) Mon Jul-19-04 08:45 PM
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11. He claims he took them to study in preparation for his testimony


so that he could more accurately provide details to the commission. Apparently he has returned most of them but discarded some of them believing that they were duplicate copies of originals. He calls it sloppy, I would call it incredibly stupid.


lancdem (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-19-04 08:51 PM
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15. We should be thankful that he's identified as a Clinton adviser


when he's also an informal adviser to Kerry. "Kerry adviser subject of probe" would be worse. It sounds like this investigation has gone on for some time. News probably was leaked now to embarrass the Dems before their convention.






1,001 posted on 07/19/2004 8:27:42 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: MJY1288; Howlin

NYT finally picked up the story 10 minutes ago

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/20/politics/20document.html
(SNIP)

Clinton Aide Took Classified Material
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: July 20, 2004


ASHINGTON, July 19 (AP) - President Bill Clinton's national security adviser, Sandy Berger, said Monday night that he had removed highly classified documents from the National Archives while preparing for the Sept. 11 commission hearings and, as a result, was now the focus of a criminal investigation.

Mr. Berger and his lawyer said that he had knowingly removed handwritten notes he had taken from classified antiterrorism documents he reviewed at the National Archives by sticking them in his jacket and pants. He also inadvertently took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio, they said. Mr. Berger was reviewing the documents at Mr. Clinton's request to select material to be turned over to the commission


1,002 posted on 07/19/2004 8:27:48 PM PDT by Mo1 (50 States .... I want all 50 States come November!)
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To: A Citizen Reporter
"Bruce R. Lindsey...the Bush administration has turned over about 25 percent of the nearly 11,000 pages of Clinton records..."

LOL! Looks like Lindsey should have checked Sandy's drawers for the other 75 percent!

1,003 posted on 07/19/2004 8:28:05 PM PDT by mass55th (We are The Knights Who Say "Ni!" No! Not The Knights Who Say "Ni!" The same!)
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To: onyx; KayEyeDoubleDee

Damn, you beat me to the 1000th post.


1,004 posted on 07/19/2004 8:28:14 PM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: hobson

Oh I love that one.......but be careful over there!


1,005 posted on 07/19/2004 8:28:47 PM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: Mo1
In February ?? .. That would be AFTER the FBI search

He KNEW what Sandy did and was preempting any story that might have come out at the time. Sleaze ball.

1,006 posted on 07/19/2004 8:28:50 PM PDT by hobson
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To: Howlin

oh my. i don't recall this story.


1,007 posted on 07/19/2004 8:29:14 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: Mo1

Sandy should have just gone with the standard "No comment".


1,008 posted on 07/19/2004 8:29:20 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: onyx; Liz

I've been thinking about the replacement documents. In order to replace a document (at this level) you would have to be darn sure it didn't look 'fake'. That sounds like 'forgery' to me. When I think 'forgery', I remember Niger...Wilson...forged documents...uranium...


1,009 posted on 07/19/2004 8:29:46 PM PDT by Fracas
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To: Sub-Driver
http://www.cnn.com/ Can somebody tell me where this story is on CNN?
1,010 posted on 07/19/2004 8:29:47 PM PDT by Captain Culpepper
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To: onyx

I voted for him to take the documents before I voted for him to replace the documents.


1,011 posted on 07/19/2004 8:29:55 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Howlin
Ashcroft made mention of this in his testimony in

Ashcroft: Berger 9/11 Docs Reveal Clinton Security Lapse

1,012 posted on 07/19/2004 8:29:56 PM PDT by MJY1288 ("KERRY" & "EDWARDS" ARE TWO "JOHNS" THAT NEED FLUSHING!)
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To: Howlin
Don't you just love how this news is coming out just days before the 'Rat convention........and if this is coming out now, just think of the delicious things that will be unearthed and announced during the nippy days of September.

I'm getting fuzzy, warm feelings as the days to election dwindle down to a precious few, LOL.

Leni

1,013 posted on 07/19/2004 8:30:16 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: kristinn; All

That sounds like the Keystone Kops Republicans on the House Intel are gearing up to slam the Bushies on process. It's always a circular firing squad with those guys.

The Real deal is that Kerry's foreign policy guru is a crook. I'd love to know what Kerry knew and when he knew it.

This also destroys Kerry's "I knew Ahmed Chalabi is was a heel, but the Bushies didn't" line. Clearly, Kerry had at least two bad actors -- Berger and Wilson-- in his inner circle. Kerry is a total zero, a crapstorm should engulf his campaign over this.


1,014 posted on 07/19/2004 8:30:26 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Sacajaweau
"Just thinking about the 9-11 commission saying "How could Wilson comment on documents he had never seen"???"

Perhaps Sandy runs his own documents store out of his pants.

1,015 posted on 07/19/2004 8:30:32 PM PDT by mass55th (We are The Knights Who Say "Ni!" No! Not The Knights Who Say "Ni!" The same!)
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To: SlickWillard

Damn, you beat me to the 1000th post.



Well I didn't plan it.
I don't watch such things. :)


1,016 posted on 07/19/2004 8:30:50 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry/Edwards: It's the hair, stupid.)
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To: aculeus; snooker
I like your thinking.

Thank you. But I was wrong in one stunning aspect. The 15 minute old, expanded AP story says the Archive Officials didn't go to what I called the "Feds" - they tried to get the documents back themselves, one of the archive officials went to Bergers' home.

Susicious favortism...but then, maybe very clever.

1,017 posted on 07/19/2004 8:30:53 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Miss Marple
My answer is that someone MADE him do it. Someone who has dirt on Berger.

Must be SOME dirt. This was a helluva price to pay on Berger's part. I mean honestly, how far does Clinton loyalty really go? Of course, others have found there to be unusual circumsances....

Prairie

1,018 posted on 07/19/2004 8:30:54 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (10 out of 10 terrorists agree, anybody but BUSH!!)
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To: kristinn
"New addition to AP story: ``The House Intelligence Committee has not been informed on the loss or theft of any classified intelligence information from the Archives,"

Been here before, done this hundreds of times.

Delay, delay, delay,
deny, deny, deny,
accuse, accuse, accuse.

That's about it. Guess what, it's not working as much anymore.

1,019 posted on 07/19/2004 8:31:03 PM PDT by AGreatPer (Who authorized Kerry's Purple Hearts?)
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To: 76834

The media has been scratching in this boring news cycle before the rats conventiom for a huge story. Not what they wanted. There are so many angles to this we will stay glued to freerepublic 24/7. This will be at least several weeks news cycles cause it ties into so much else. This will overshadow the newsmedia lovefest for the two johns.


1,020 posted on 07/19/2004 8:31:27 PM PDT by samantha (Don't panic, the adults are in charge)
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To: petitfour

A good Freeper NEVER loses a good bookmark. :-)


1,021 posted on 07/19/2004 8:31:43 PM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: fooman

LOL!
Thanks for the good laugh!


1,022 posted on 07/19/2004 8:32:03 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry/Edwards: It's the hair, stupid.)
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To: Mo1
This is Bush Country, and on a quiet night you can hear the cries of a dying political party once known as the Democratic Party
1,023 posted on 07/19/2004 8:32:21 PM PDT by MJY1288 ("KERRY" & "EDWARDS" ARE TWO "JOHNS" THAT NEED FLUSHING!)
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To: Sacajaweau

LOL. Maybe so. Personally, if I planned to forge a deed I'd choose somewhere like Fiji or Hawaii, or Italy.

Vincent Price reminds me a little of Kerry....


1,024 posted on 07/19/2004 8:33:01 PM PDT by Fracas
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To: Mo1
Mr. Berger was reviewing the documents at Mr. Clinton's request to select material to be turned over to the commission

In other developments:

Meyer Lansky was reviewing the documents at Mr Bugsy Siegel's request to be turned over to the commission investigating the Mob!

1,025 posted on 07/19/2004 8:34:02 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Sub-Driver; Howlin; PhiKapMom; My2Cents; onyx; doodlelady; Grampa Dave; Dog; dead; arasina; ...
While I don't want to get my hopes up that the so-called mainstream media will really run with this story, I did a quick search on Yahoo News and found that it is circulating nationwide. Here's a quick list of some of the print and TV outlets that went with the story:

Associated Press
CBC News (Canadian Broadcasting)
CBS 4, Denver
CBS News
Fox News
KBCI, Boise
KHNL, Honolulu
Local6, Central Florida
Pioneer Press, Twin Cities
Reuters
Tacoma News Tribune
The Denver Channel
USA Today

From a news perspective, the essential facts at this point should be the following:

1. Berger is a former Clinton National Security Advisor.
2. He is now an advisor to the Democratic presidential ticket (perhaps with hopes of becoming Sec. of State).
3. The documents in question pertain to the hottest issue of our time, terrorism. More to the point, the documents were critical of the Clinton administration's handling of terrorism.

Key questions: Was Berger reviewing the documents for the Kerry campaign? Was it permissible for him to make notes? If he had a briefcase, why did he stuff the notes in his clothing? Which original documents did he take? Why did he put those in his case, but the notes in his clothes? What material did he take notes about? Is there videotape of Berger removing these materials? If not, how did the archivists know some documents were missing and how did they trace the documents to Berger?

Berger was obviously caught red-handed in some way. So his legal strategy at the moment seems to be "the best defense is a good offense." Admit to doing it, but say it was all "inadvertent." The key to the investigation will be to prove intent to steal the classified documents. If there was such intent, then the question becomes to what purpose?

Lacking further information, I don't think the purpose would have been to protect Clinton. Why? The information was already in the hands of investigators for the 9/11 commission. Whatever harm there might have been to Clinton was already done. If it was intentional, and it sure seems so from the first information we have, it's possible Berger wanted to give the Kerry campaign or possibly someone in the media the documents for some reason.

1,026 posted on 07/19/2004 8:34:35 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Get off your duffs and VOTE for Bush-Cheney in Nov. Your life may depend on it.)
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To: hobson
He KNEW what Sandy did and was preempting any story that might have come out at the time.

BINGO .. he sure did know

And these documents were stolen in Oct of 2003

1,027 posted on 07/19/2004 8:34:54 PM PDT by Mo1 (50 States .... I want all 50 States come November!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Berger's home and office were searched earlier this year by FBI (news - web sites) agents armed with warrants. Some drafts of a sensitive after-action report on the Clinton administration's handling of al-Qaida terror threats during the December 1999 millennium celebration are still missing.

Well we know who sent him in to get these don't we? How stupid do they take us to be? Of course he didn't accidentally take them, nor did he "discard" them by mistake either.

When is the public going to realize what criminal thugs the Clinton regime was and still is? NEVER, as the media will continue to cover for them.

Can you imagine the reaction if a republican did this? They would be calling for the heads of all of us!

1,028 posted on 07/19/2004 8:34:56 PM PDT by ladyinred (What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about? Become a monthly donor and find out!!!)
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To: Shermy
"Breuer said the Archives staff first raised concerns with Berger during an Oct. 2 review of documents that at least one copy of the post-millennium report he had reviewed earlier was missing. Berger was given a second copy that day, Breuer said."

This just keeps getting better and better....

1,029 posted on 07/19/2004 8:35:49 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter ("It's the Hypocrisy, Stupid,")
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To: MJY1288
Reuters eats John Solomon's dust:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Samuel "Sandy" Berger, national security adviser under former President Bill Clinton, is under investigation after removing classified documents from the National Archives while he prepared to appear before the Sept. 11 commission, a U.S. official said Monday.

The official, who asked not to be named, said the investigation was pending and could provide no other information. Another official confirmed an investigation was taking place.

Berger said he inadvertently took a few documents and his notes on the material reviewed but immediately returned them when he was told by the Archives that the documents were missing.

"I immediately returned everything I had, except for a few documents that apparently I had accidentally discarded," Berger said in a statement.

"I deeply regret the sloppiness involved but had no intention of withholding documents from the commission, and to the contrary, to my knowledge every document requested by the commission from the Clinton Administration was produced," Berger said.

A Justice Department official refused to comment.

1,030 posted on 07/19/2004 8:36:17 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: Howlin

Well, I'm glad there are a bunch of good FReepers in FReeperland! :)


1,031 posted on 07/19/2004 8:36:47 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: Howlin

I have never smoked in my life, but if this story has the legs I think it does. I'm gonna smoke a Cigar when I see Slick Willy in an orange jumpsuit


1,032 posted on 07/19/2004 8:36:51 PM PDT by MJY1288 ("KERRY" & "EDWARDS" ARE TWO "JOHNS" THAT NEED FLUSHING!)
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To: dead

"Sandy's not known for lying, so I guess we'll just have to trust him here."

LOL!! That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.


1,033 posted on 07/19/2004 8:36:59 PM PDT by txradioguy (HOOAH!!!...Not Just A Word...A Way Of Life!)
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To: onyx
A FReeper named renotse dubbed this scandal TROUSERGATE on another thread. LOL
1,034 posted on 07/19/2004 8:37:11 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Shermy
"...In late 1999, as we approached the Millennium celebrations, the CIA warned of five to fifteen plots against American targets. This was the most serious threat spike of our time in office. My judgment was that it required ongoing attention at the highest levels of government. Accordingly, I convened national security principals, including the Director of Central Intelligence, the Attorney General, and top FBI, State and Defense officials at the White House virtually every single day for a month. I am convinced that our sustained attention and the rigorous actions that resulted prevented significant losses of life..."

Clinton and Berger like to talk about how they stopped the Millennium attacks, but rather than celebrating it as an accomplishment, they should have taken out the Taliban and AQ immediately. An unsuccessful attack is still an attack. Besides, it was an alert customs agent in Washington who discovered the plot even though the alert level was low. The Clinton administration was a disaster. 9/11 was their legacy with still more to come.

1,035 posted on 07/19/2004 8:37:15 PM PDT by kabar
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To: faithincowboys

I like to think of Qerry's entire campaign as a crapstorm.


1,036 posted on 07/19/2004 8:37:39 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: A Citizen Reporter

That tells me he was attempting to get all the copies of a particular report (or draft version) - and perhaps replace it later with a fake?


1,037 posted on 07/19/2004 8:38:02 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: Sacajaweau; Howlin; Mo1

The guy who had FBI docs and house was supposedly robbed was Gerald Nicosia, I believe.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1147353/posts

Prairie


1,038 posted on 07/19/2004 8:38:19 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (10 out of 10 terrorists agree, anybody but BUSH!!)
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To: Terpfen

Off topic and as requested, UN oil for food scandal linked to terrorism:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1174012/posts


1,039 posted on 07/19/2004 8:38:24 PM PDT by Peach
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To: cyncooper
You bet. Scratch Sandy off!

Do not forget that Berger was and is, a Clinton insider. He knows where all the bodies are buried, and will have his insurance policy in the safe of his lawyer. This is really going to get interesting, to say the least. The MSM is also in a corner. We know they will play defense for the dims, but they do so with much peril, for their already lacking credibility. The pubs should just stand back and watch the train wreck.

1,040 posted on 07/19/2004 8:38:28 PM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: Sub-Driver; All

Inadvertant and sloppy are two words I don't associate with Clintoon's minions.

Cold...calculating...intentional THOSE are words I associate with them.

And that's what...IMHO...should be used to describe what Sandy Berger did.


1,041 posted on 07/19/2004 8:38:29 PM PDT by txradioguy (HOOAH!!!...Not Just A Word...A Way Of Life!)
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To: Sub-Driver
I'd sure like to know who else besides Whopper Berger is on Kerry's foreign policy advisory committee.

The committee rightfully should be called the Kerrystone Kops if the members have the stupidity of Sandy.

Leni

1,042 posted on 07/19/2004 8:38:53 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Paulus Invictus
These clintinoids are all alike--the rule of law means nothing when their reputations are at stake. The guy deserves jail time and a lot of it.

IF he gets any time at all, which I doubt, he will be falling on his sword for the Clinton's as most have. This was to protect Bill and Hillary Clinton from the truth of whatever is in those documents, trust me.

1,043 posted on 07/19/2004 8:38:59 PM PDT by ladyinred (What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about? Become a monthly donor and find out!!!)
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To: MJY1288
....I'm gonna smoke a Cigar when I see Slick Willy in an orange jumpsuit.<Wouldn't it be nice to see the Hillary in one too? Maybe Martha Stewart can teach Hillary how to bake.
1,044 posted on 07/19/2004 8:39:23 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: kristinn

This is big, How long before we hear that Clinton is who asked him to go to the National Archives?


1,045 posted on 07/19/2004 8:39:25 PM PDT by MJY1288 ("KERRY" & "EDWARDS" ARE TWO "JOHNS" THAT NEED FLUSHING!)
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To: MJY1288
A sensitive after action report on the foiled Millennium bomb plot, portions of which were allegedly pilfered by former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger, sounded the alarm that al Qaida operatives had entered the U.S. and were preparing to strike.

In testimony before the 9/11 Commission in April, Attorney General John Ashcroft detailed the highly classified March 2000 document, saying it contained a set of sweeping recommendations on how to combat the al Qaida threat that were completely ignored by the Clinton White House.

"The NSC's Millennium After Action Review declares that the United States barely missed major terrorist attacks in 1999 -- with luck playing a major role," Ashcroft told the Commission.

"Among the many vulnerabilities in homeland defenses identified, the Justice Department's surveillance and FISA operations were specifically criticized for their glaring weaknesses."

"It is clear from the review," declared Ashcroft, "that actions taken in the Millennium Period should not be the operating model for the U.S. government."

The Millennium plot review warned the Clinton administration "of a substantial al Qaida network and affiliated foreign terrorist presence within the U.S., capable of supporting additional terrorist attacks here," the Bush attorney general said.

"Furthermore, fully seventeen months before the September 11 attacks, the review recommends disrupting the al Qaida network and terrorist presence here using immigration violations, minor criminal infractions, and tougher visa and border controls," he explained.

Ashcroft's comments suggested why a former Clinton national security official might not want the information contained in the Millennium review to ever see the light of day.

"Despite the warnings and the clear vulnerabilities identified by the NSC in 2000," he told the Commission, "no new disruption strategy to attack the al Qaida network within the United States was deployed. It was ignored in the Department's five-year counterterrorism strategy."

1,046 posted on 07/19/2004 8:39:29 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kristinn
``The House Intelligence Committee has not been informed on the loss or theft of any classified intelligence information from the Archives, but we will follow up and get the information that is appropriate for the committee to have,'' the committee said Monday in a statement. ``And if it has occurred, we should be informed. If there has been delay in getting the information to the committee we need to know why.''

Has there been a comment from the Senate Intelligence Committee ??

BTW .. Isn't Edwards on that Committee??

1,047 posted on 07/19/2004 8:39:36 PM PDT by Mo1 (50 States .... I want all 50 States come November!)
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To: mass55th
Because they were both named for a fictional hero,in a series of books ( LANNY BUDD ),that went on for decades! He was sort of a James Bond character,long before there ever was a James Bond.It's historical fiction,begins just before WW I and goes through some of the 1950s.

My mother LOVED these books,as a girl,kept telling me to read them,when I was growing up,but I could never fins Any of the books in a library;not a one.Then,in early 1973,the series was republished in paper back and I have all but one of the books.

Now,even though this series was written by a damned SOCIALIST,they are VERY interesting and full of factual historical tidbits,known about when they were written,but NOT known about today.

When I first heard about these Lannys,I immediately thought to myself.....I BET THEY WERE NAMED FOR LANNY BUDD! And so they were.Each said so,early in,in the Clinton years,during T.V. interviews.

And now you know the story and I am even farther behind in catching up with this thread,than I was before. LOL

1,048 posted on 07/19/2004 8:39:42 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Petronski
I like to think of Qerry's entire campaign as a crapstorm.

That's some heavy imagery, Petronski! ROFL!

1,049 posted on 07/19/2004 8:39:43 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: MinuteGal
I'm getting fuzzy, warm feelings as the days to election dwindle down to a precious few, LOL.

Me, too. Oooooh, Schadenfreude. It feels so good!

1,050 posted on 07/19/2004 8:39:58 PM PDT by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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