Posted on 07/19/2004 5:07:42 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
AP: Clinton Adviser Probed in Terror Memos
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By JOHN SOLOMON
WASHINGTON - President Clinton (news - web sites)'s national security adviser, Sandy Berger, is the focus of a criminal investigation after admitting he removed highly classified terrorism documents from a secure reading room during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission hearings, The Associated Press has learned.
Berger's home and office were searched earlier this year by FBI (news - web sites) agents armed with warrants. Some drafts of a sensitive after-action report on the Clinton administration's handling of al-Qaida terror threats during the December 1999 millennium celebration are still missing.
Berger and his lawyer said Monday night he knowingly removed handwritten notes he had taken from classified anti-terror documents he reviewed at the National Archives by sticking them in his jacket and pants. He also inadvertently took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio, they said.
"I deeply regret the sloppiness involved, but I had no intention of withholding documents from the commission, and to the contrary, to my knowledge, every document requested by the commission from the Clinton administration was produced," Berger said in a statement to the AP.
Berger served as Clinton's national security adviser for all of the president's second term and most recently has been informally advising Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites). Clinton asked Berger last year to review and select the administration documents that would be turned over to the commission.
The FBI searched Berger's home and office with warrants earlier this year after employees of the National Archives told agents they believed they witnessed Berger put documents into his clothing while reviewing sensitive Clinton administration papers, officials said.
When asked, Berger said he returned some of the classified documents, which he found in his office, and all of the handwritten notes he had taken from the secure room, but said he could not locate two or three copies of the highly classified millennium terror report.
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I have to go to bed. I will check in on this thread in the morning. Meanwhile, as I drift off to sleep, I will try and figure out what's going on.
Charles Ruff - Heart attack.
I remember them yapping about not handing over documents .. but I didn't know they were talking about Clinton's documents
Good God you are good!
Will Sandy fall on his sword? Or someone else's?
this is seriously cheneyed up. what an idiot. he has left himself wide open for whatever happens next. he should have been more careful if he had to steal documents to cover for Clinton. the bush people never get caught making things disappear.
This was posted by "truthisfreedom"!
ROFLOL!!!
signal to noise on this thread
Also, the Commish allowed Clinton, Berger and Linsey to sliver in undetected the same day they were tearing Condi apart. This is some real dishonest stuff. The fact that the Gore Commission on aviation security and Clinton's dereliction of duty regarding the Sudan offer hasn't gotten wall to wall coverage by the media is a crime.
We are dealing with an extraordinary level of negligence and bad faith. This nation deserves better than this.
"Story is going worldwide. Winnipeg Sun has this header: "Clinton national security adviser investigated for taking classified documents"
What an opening for the Dims convention, one does have to wonder who leaked this. Maybe Hillry wants cold water to run fast and early.
Inadvertently? Oh of course. I always inadvertently walk off with classified documents in my briefcase too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was Charles Ruff. He died from a heart attack while in the bathroom at his D.C. home.
I can't find it. There were too many threads.
Bump to hope's links to Huang/Berger ties.
Thanks for the ping Happy, I emailed that Front Page article to myself.
Yep, that's what it looks like. Bet Bubba was the recepient of those stolen papers.
A firing squad would be to good for this POS.
Just went to DU to see if they were saying anything regarding this matter and I found a few words of IDIOCY and just had to share tehm here:
Sat Jul-17-04 01:57 AM
Original message
I downloaded F911 from the internet.....sorry, but I am unemployed and dead broke, and I just couldn't stand it any longer. I had to see it. It was, indeed, a good movie. And it covered a lot of things that have been covered here. I think that it will blow the minds of some Republicans. It is a history-maker, in and of itself
Sat Jul-17-04 02:07 AM
Response to Original message
"Dead broke" enough to afford a high-speed internet connection? Schweet story. Oh, forgot, you've been downloading it for the last 18 days over a free AOL dialup...
Sat Jul-17-04 03:26 AM
Response to Reply #3
Thanks so much for judging me and my situation! I have a cable modem, which costs $30.00 a month. I don't have a telephone and I don't have hot water, am unemployed, and my husband hasn't been paid in over two weeks. And, it won't be long before they cut the cable internet access off, too. Oh, and the only thing in the house to eat? Microwave popcorn. If it's any of your business.
But, once again, thanks so much for judging me and my situation.
Melanie
Sat Jul-17-04 07:04 AM Response to Reply #16
Your world sounds a lot like mine. I can't even seem to scrape together five bucks to send to DU, not with the power company looming over me while I roll pennies to pay them. Hell, even my car tags are expired.
And I work every day.
Welcome to Dick Cheney's America.
Sat Jul-17-04 05:36 PM Response to Reply #16
When You're A Liberal In This Country, Internet's Not A Luxury ... it's a necessity.
Sat Jul-17-04 07:42 PM Response to Reply #49
Amazing folks who don't have money who can "fast download" Pirated copy of Moore's Documentary. I'm on "dial up" and not in financial difficulty...but wonder how folks can afford DLS/Cable/T-1 when they claim they are too poor to afford a movie ticket.
Begs my imagination.
Sat Jul-17-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #16
Judging is what DU does best I'm sorry you got those rude comments, but that's DU.
I'm in a lot the same situation, and have had the same insensitive in uncaring criticisms.
I wish you well, and I'm glad you did what you needed to do for yourself, and downloaded the movie. I'm sure Michael is glad it's available for you.
Enjoy it, feel good about yourself, and thanks for your efforts in the cause of democracy!
Kanary
Sat Jul-17-04 05:49 PM Response to Reply #16
Doncha just love it when people make snap judgements when they don't know shit?
When you said you were broke ..I took you at your word..I'm not so rollin' in dough, either, but I have my priorites and my computer and internet connection is one of them.
I hope things go better for you and your husband real soon..hang in there!
And so glad you got to see F9/11..I'm one of those who saw Moore saying he didn't care if it was downloaded..he just wants People to see the freakin' thing!
Sat Jul-17-04 06:56 AM Response to Reply #3
I downloaded F911 at my job... Sure, I can afford it... but it will take a few months for it to start playing here, and I just wasn't planning to wait. But what if I lived in the US, and didn't have any money? I would download it at work if I were allowed to. You don't need to have Internet access at home in order to do it.
Your attitude is pathetic.
Sat Jul-17-04 05:28 PM Response to Reply #3
Judgemental, aren't we? How is the rarefied air up there on that high horse?
bttt
NOTHING will happen. Like Whitey Bulger, like the agents who laughed during the 911 Atrocities,
like the Boston agents who allowed murder to thrive,
like the coverup of the 900 stolen FBI files, NOTHING.
The second law of Thermodynamics will be overturned first.
Fishtalk, You are right... The timing is good. Can you say "HARDBALL"?
This aired at 7:00 PM est. just before the news broke ROFLMAO, I think I'm gonna split my sides :-)
"there were other people the government was investigating."
Yeah I was thinking the same thing.
The trail might lead to a whole cast of characters which were trying to cover up the fact that they didn't alert the country to the coming attack. They still may not have known the specifics, but it is beginning to smell like someone knew a whole lot more than Bush did.
"FBI files stolen from the home of Vietnam war historian Gerald Nicosia detail at least one secret 1970 meeting in Paris between future Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry and representatives of the communist government of North Vietnam during the height of the Vietnam War."
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/11/212859.shtml
With all the leaks in DC, I wonder why it took 6 months before we learned about it.
See #624. I posted a link to the article about Linsey blaming the Bush Administration for not turning over all their documents.
I remember that something that Rumsfeld said to Hillary! really seemed to rattle her.
You're correct, Mo. It WAS the prison scandal. I was thumbing furiously through my brain files trying to remember why in the heck Hillary would be testifying at the 9/11 commission. Now wonder I came up with "no data found".
I'm watching it now
I can't wait to see Chrissy's 9/11 special on Wed .. LOL
Because it wasn't a republican who committed the crime
Remember when Ashcroft pulled the surprise on Gorelick with the 'wall' memo? IF no one else on the committee knew (she obviously did), we know that was a 'you know and I know you know and now you know I know you know'.
If you heard the NBC newsfeed at the top of the last hour, the reporters are getting more wound up about the Berger story too. The reporterette was all breathless and she actually said, "Berger stuffed the documents in his jacket and pants and smuggled them out." Hahaha.
bttt
More proof that liberalism is a disease, and a hazard to this country. It scares me that there are millions more out there like this one.
I thought that this was a place that I could express my Democratic views.. Perhaps I was wrong. I didn't think that I was writing a "review." I saw the movie and I thought it was great, and it struck me as very unusual that a documentary could change history, as this one is going to do. I have lived for 49 years and never seen that. I have grown tired, as have the rest of you, of seeing the Dems in Congress run like scared puppies at the Republican vitriol thrown at them. I am so proud and so happy that we have a champion in people like Michael Moore and I wanted to tell people that I think that this movie is going to make history, as the first documentary to change the outcome of a national election. The reason that I admitted to downloading it should be obvious: I can make no comment (as many fellow DUers did) about my fellow audience members' reaction to it, since there were no other audience members. And, of course, I admit that I feel guilty because I did not give Mr. Moore a piece of my money, by going to the theaters to watch it. If I had wanted other people to download it, I would have posted the website here. Like I said, though, it's so nice to find that the very people you thought were on "your side," are your judge and your jury. Melanie
Knowing how they operate, I would think the Clintons might want it leaked ASAP. After all Bill is still trying to sell books. And Hillary's political ambitions must be preserved at all costs (gag).
I have heard from a reliable source
that Ashcroft is livid. I hope that
translates into throwing the book at
Berger.
"By Dan Eggen and Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writers Friday, April 2, 2004; Page A02
The White House has not turned over thousands of pages of documents from the Clinton administration to a commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, even though the records are relevant to the panel's mission, one of Clinton's attorneys said yesterday.
Bruce R. Lindsey, who represents the former president on records issues, said yesterday that the Bush administration has turned over about 25 percent of the nearly 11,000 pages of Clinton records that document custodians had determined should be released to the commission investigating the terrorist attacks. Lindsey said that, as a result, the commission may not have a full picture of the Clinton administration's anti-terrorism efforts.
Or Craig Livingstone.
That's okay, because I don't agree with my scenario anymore myself. I went for my evening walk and kicked the thing around pretty good - the Rats have way too much political and emotional capital invested in the 9/11 kangaroo court to just scuttle it in so cavalier a manner. Besides, my scenario flunks Occam's Razor miserably.
I'm thinking now that I agree with your point about the Rats having someone inside, probably a low-level flunky on the commission staff who just happened to have access to the reading room VCR. This guy was probably given a few hundred bucks to snag the tape on a certain day when he was told to do so. Something went wrong and the tape was not recovered.
My guess would be that someone in the Bush Administration finally had enough of the spewing by the leftists, and leaked out the fact that they had hard proof of Berger's document theft - a video tape showing him stuffing documents down the front of his pants would be pretty convincing. Once that word got out, spiking the story would be like trying to conceal a sunrise - a fool's errand.
So the media did what they could - waited until as late in the day as possible to break the story. The Slimes and the Compost will have already filled their front pages with the latest Abu Ghraib stories and the latest photos of John Kerry, Superstud, so they could get away with running small wire service blurbs below the fold or maybe even inside the A section. That gives the Rats a full day to get their best spin teams mobilized and on the same page with the best focus-grouped explanation they can come up with, so that when the papers and the networks have to lead with the story, they can push the Rat version of events and downplay their culpability as much as possible.
Frankly, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see them get away with it yet again.
Thanks for that. I'm reading the middle and end of the thread so hadn't seen the other reference yet. Armed with Lindsey's name I googled and found articles. Here's one (Note the phrasing, just like I said "unduly held back by the Bush administration. Don't you love it?):
White House gives 9/11 panel access to Clinton documents
April 3, 2004 (about a week after Berger's testimony of March 24, incidentally)
excerpt:
WASHINGTON (AP) — The federal panel reviewing the Sept. 11 attacks will determine early next week whether thousands of classified counterterrorism documents from the Clinton administration were unduly held back by President Bush's aides.
The Bush administration granted the Sept. 11 commission access to the documents Friday after Bruce Lindsey, who was legal adviser to former President Clinton, said officials didn't turn over all of Clinton's records to the panel.
~snip~
Maybe Hillary knew this shoe would drop and that is why she was hesitant about speaking and Dem Convention.
See if this sounds right: Feds knew what Berger did, but due to his stature gave him a "pass" if he "voluntarily" returned all the records. He didn't return them all, so then the Feds executed the warrants.
Indeed. Thanks for the ping!
This is gonna get real good.....
Dims will try to quash it but if they dont quash it quick it will take on a life of it's own.
We could very well be witnessing the death knell of the Kerry campaign.
My mistake on the lawyers. I thought they said Lanny Davis. It's actually Lanny Breuer. How in the hell do you get two lawyers with a girlie name like Lanny?
OMG.
Just broke on AP that they think Berger took
documents that replaced documents he took earlier.
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